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New Reddit theory: Girls develop early in order to entrap guys and send them to prison

So someone on Reddit posted a video showing time-lapse video of a girl from infanthood to 12 years old. Naturally, Redditors responded with creepy pedophilia jokes, and one Redditor (speaking for many, judging by the numerous upvotes) took the opportunity to complain about just how hard it is for dudes to not have sex with underage girls. Apparently these girls deliberately develop earlier than boys as part of an elaborate plot to entrap guys and send them to jail.

Thanks to ShitRedditSays for pointing me to this latest bit of egregious Redditry.

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kladle
kladle
9 years ago

To be honest I can’t stand Pharyngula either and I don’t find it to be a safe space at all. About half of the commenters are huge fucking ableists about mental illness (this does seem to have gotten a little better lately though), P.Z. doesn’t always “get” non-feminist social justice stuff and often refuses to edit his posts after people criticize him (the thing that comes to mind is the time he entitled a post “Barbarous Uganda”), and if you aren’t a hugely assertive person who can take gang-piling and insults (which I am not) be prepared to not feel welcome there.

People there also aren’t always willing to back up their arguments with actual evidence despite defining themselves as skeptics and scientists. In my personal experience it’s often impossible to have anything resembling a complex or nuanced argument in the comments section.

For a while there was also a lot of humanities-bashing going on (particularly of philosophy) and I actually totally stopped reading it because I couldn’t tolerate the nonsense anymore. I read it now to keep up on atheist news but that’s about it; I refuse to engage with the comments.

Xanthë
9 years ago

The irony is most of Eurotrash’s complaint is tone trolling about Pharyngula… so I comprehend perfectly why he doesn’t feel comfortable hawking his low grade bullshit there. It is a rough and tumble blog so tone trolls are given no quarter; I’ve complained about PZ’s sexism before now (it was unintended, but intent ain’t magic) and was called a tone troll for my trouble. My reaction was not to troll other blogs crying for the waaaaaambulance or a rendition of “Hearts and Flowers” on the world’s smallest violin.

Kladle, the comments section is hugely variable, depending on whether or not a particular thread is trolled or derailed – which is often the effect you have here with MBz threads being visited by the obnoxious irregulars. The ableism you mention is a subject I have noticed gradually improving over time; similarly, acceptance of trans commenters has shifted noticeably over the time I’ve read the blog, especially now that FtB has a gifted trans blogger.

Lastly, you mention that “[p]eople there also aren’t always willing to back up their arguments with actual evidence” which I would heavily dispute – contrarily, it is often the religious zealots who are attracted like moths to candles who will present unevidenced claims and who don’t understand the idea of a null hypothesis. Usually all that can be done in a blog context is to cite research – which is unrewarding when 9 out of 10 trolls won’t read anything that’s put in front of them.

Eurotrash
Eurotrash
9 years ago

A real “safe space” should at least endeavor to make the discussion something approaching civil. What I’m getting at, is that it could easily be triggering, to any number of people. NOW UNDERSTAND, not everything actually needs to be a safe space (I hate that mentality, in fact) but the fact that you consider yourselves one is a fucking riot. I’m pretty sure you can be firm about your social justice crap without being giant dickheads. Actually, it’s not even that you’re dickheads, it’s progressed to the point that the place is just tedious to someone with a thick e-skin.

Jesus fuck, for someone complaining about how ‘aggressive’ they are, you do realize I mentioned them as part of an argument against pseudoscience that hurts women, right? Did you care one tiny bit about that? Did you perhaps see fit to comment on the substantially more harmful and more widespread evopsych bullshit?

No, I didn’t feel like it. I’ll talk about what I damn well please, kthnx. Also, I do think the pervasive atheist assholism is a real problem. It seriously compromises the community. Pharyngula is not the only subcommunity guilty of this, obviously. It’s hilarious when you guys wonder why people choose pastors preaching forgiveness, mercy and civility over you charmers (again, I say this as an atheist).

You *dare* question (backhandedly) the purpose of confrontationalism when you are more interested in attacking meanie atheists than misogyny? Can the white, shining horse you rode in on assist you in making a gracious exit, that you may go fuck yourself in private?

u mad?

Are you illiterate? I said you don’t actually understand 4chan either, not that they were similar somehow.

We’ve got an “illiterate”! I was waiting for that. Isn’t that classist, by the way?

And I’m free to consider you one of those asshat enablers (See: focus on meanie atheists, as opposed to, you know, misogyny) I mentioned before; You might as well call me PC Police for how much I give a fuck about your opinion.

Sure, I don’t give much of a fuck about your opinion either, so, great. Of course assholism is sometimes justified, sometimes not (it’s almost always ineffective). Depends on the situation, I’m not so foolish as to try to make a hard and fast rule.

You don’t remember what Dawkins said and did during elevatorgate, among other times, I suspect.

Haha, you guys are never going to let “Dear Muslima” go, are you? I would imagine he’s got more important things to worry about than a bunch of butthurt internet people.

And I’m not Laden, whoever that is.

Xanthë
9 years ago

More tone trolling, yaaaaaaawn.

Actually, I’d class “illiterate” as ableist, perhaps you had some sort of issue paying attention in primary school.

Rutee thought you might be Greg Laden, seeing as you used one of his pet phrases. Laden chief claim to fame is his lucid writing about the Congo.

The “Dear Muslima” thing was just the latest in a series of Dawkins’ sexist faux pas, people are fallible you know.

Eurotrash
Eurotrash
9 years ago

And the “tone trolling” accusations are out in force!

Yeah, I guess I am a tone troll, in the sense that I think Pharyngula’s particular brand of assholery is obnoxious, tedious, and stifles real discussion with repetitive dogpiling and also leads to groupthink because people are afraid to toe the line on punishment of porcupine death fantasies. So sure. I’m a tone troll. More atheists should be tone trolls.

jumbofish
9 years ago

tone troll is a proud tone troll?

jumbofish
9 years ago

Why are you here even? Just to complain about Pharyngula?

Xanthë
9 years ago

Your miserably pathetic whining is telling in that you lack the fortitude to make this argument on Pharyngula itself, and are debased to the level of trolling other blogs to make your purulent whinging heard. You’re such a sad, trashy specimen there’s no way the Pharyngulites would keep their coats and fangs nice and sniny, eviscerating the likes of you.

Eurotrash
Eurotrash
9 years ago

In the sense that I do IN FACT think civility and tone policing have a place in public discourse, and that excessive assholism has real tangible consequences to the detriment of conversation (read: Pharyngula) and is also just annoying… yes I am. Color me radical.

Eurotrash
Eurotrash
9 years ago

Xanthe, that was okay, but you’re only one person. You need the Horde descending all at once to get the real effect.

jumbofish
9 years ago

Well this a David’s blog and he can do whatever he wants, He doesn’t mind people being “eeny meanies” aka being harsh to misogynist arses sooo why are you complaining again? Oh wait you are complaining about pharyngula here on manboobz for some reason…..

Hey why not go complain about pharyngula on fucking pharyngula instead of a random site which has weak ties to the site?!

or wait trolls aren’t suppose to make sense I suppose…

Bostonian
9 years ago

“Color me radical.”

You seem more beige than anything else.

Eurotrash
Eurotrash
9 years ago

Yeah, don’t worry, I’m done. Once the Pharyngulites start making those weird analogies to “chew toys” and “sharpening their claws” that they love for some reason, I know they’re about to go into full-on dickmode, and there’s no reason to stick around for that.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

Can someone explain to me why this thread has become all about Pharyngula? Granted that thread drift is the norm here, but I’m not seeing what Eurotrash’s complaints about Blog A have to go with Blog B (ie, Manboobz).

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

To do with, not to go with. I tipe gud some day.

jumbofish
9 years ago

I have no idea what your problem is dude. I am not even a “pharyngulite” or whatever and I can see you are full of shit. Do yourself a favor and stick to the flounce.

Bostonian
9 years ago

Eurotrash was being persistent in justifying being a tone troll and defending the rights of white dudes to never, ever have any critique of them ever, unless it is couched in the most gentle ways possible.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

Oh, not that shit again.

Eurotrash
Eurotrash
9 years ago

Eurotrash was being persistent in justifying being a tone troll and defending the rights of white dudes to never, ever have any critique of them ever, unless it is couched in the most gentle ways possible.

O the projection!

Bostonian
9 years ago

Nice try, but you came in here fussing about a totally different site because someone said swears about Dawkins. Gotta protect the old white dudes at all costs!

Rutee Katreya
9 years ago

About half of the commenters are huge fucking ableists about mental illness (this does seem to have gotten a little better lately though),

Yeah, that’s why I didn’t mention that one on the shit they are good at. I’ve actually never seen a near-perfect safe space, so I wasn’t aware that was one of the requisites. It’s… getting better, but it’s very much an uphill battle, on that particular point.

(the thing that comes to mind is the time he entitled a post “Barbarous Uganda”)

I remember that one. That’d be because he disagreed (I was pretty furious with that m’self). It took forever and a day to get him to acknowledge that the situation in Denmark (as with many other European spots) was also not as simple as “ZOMG SOME MUSLIMS WERE VIOLENT”, also.

People there also aren’t always willing to back up their arguments with actual evidence despite defining themselves as skeptics and scientists

*Blinks*
You do realize ‘always’ would mean “every single yahoo who thinks evolution is abiogenesis would need every point explained in detail every time”, right? They generally are supported, particularly on novel arguments… but people dragging out tiresomely discreditted arguments don’t see everything refuted with full recitation of sources either. Skeptic or not, there’s only so much time and energy in the world.

In my personal experience it’s often impossible to have anything resembling a complex or nuanced argument in the comments section.

That’s obviously not really mine.

and was called a tone troll for my trouble

…recently? That’s disappointing. Not really related to why I haven’t been paying attention to it recently, but disappointing.

And I’m not Laden, whoever that is.

Aware, hence “More seriously” afterwards. Greg Laden’s just who I associate that idiotic ‘circular firing squad’ phrase with.

No, I didn’t feel like it.

Yes, that’s kind of the criticism, that you didn’t want to discuss misogyny, when it is not only the focus of this blog, but far, *FAR* more obviously in front of you than the meanie atheists, who had a sidelong mention at best. That you have derailed onto this is very much the crux of why I called you an asshat enabler; I sincerely doubt that it is only here, and now, that you complain and whine about tone over -ism.

Also, I do think the pervasive atheist assholism is a real problem.

To atheism only, in your own damn words. And you saw fit to drag it here, because…? It’s not like this is an atheist blog.

It’s hilarious when you guys wonder why people choose pastors preaching forgiveness, mercy and civility over you charmers

I don’t wonder.
A: I’m not particularly interested in conversion so much as people not supporting or spreading the more asshole beliefs, so this isn’t really a useful avenue of attack against me anyway.
A2: Secularism is rising in quite a few places, and it’s my primary concern.
B: People strongly tend towards what they grew up with.

u mad?

Irritated, but not really mad. u capable of responding to the point at hand – that meanie atheists somehow draw your ire more than misogyny? To the point where you were willing to derail just for this?

I suspect this is partially because you are one of the many misogynist atheists, given your tepid nice guy-ism in one of the other threads. Protip: Do not intimate that you are not misogynist at all, it will only draw derisive laughter.

We’ve got an “illiterate”! I was waiting for that.

I imagine you’re used to it.

Isn’t that classist, by the way?

No, not really at all actually. You could make a stronger argument for ‘douchebag’ being sexist, I suppose, except I don’t really think it’s the case either.

Haha, you guys are never going to let “Dear Muslima” go, are you?

I figured I pegged that about right. No, until he demonstrates that he is at least somewhat less misogynist than the average person, I am in fact not going to let that go.

I would imagine he’s got more important things to worry about than a bunch of butthurt internet people.

It’s hilarious when you guys wonder why people choose pastors preaching forgiveness, mercy and civility over you charmers

Tsk tsk. See, the correct move here was, as Dawkins is rather uncontroversially in the ‘asshole confrontationalist’ camp, to push that almost-surprisingly appropriative little… shenanigan of his on the gnus, and to avow that it was stupid, and that it was a problem to atheism because it pushes away women, especially those from muslim backgrounds. You could have thrown that on the gnus… but that wasn’t the argument you wanted to make, because you don’t give a shit about women raised with a muslim background, nor do you care about inclusiveness in atheism; not really, anyway. And that is why you are thoroughly unqualified to talk about what a safe space may or may not be. And that is why I didn’t add
C: Atheism is a majority white dude movement
until just now.

I’m pretty sure you can be firm about your social justice crap without being giant dickheads

I could. I elect not to be civil, because assholes like you don’t even deserve the explanation on why I am not civil. And there’s a lot of assholes like you.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

I don’t think that someone who uses the phrase “social justice crap” is really in any position to be complaining about other people’s lack of manners, insensitivity, etc.

jumbofish
9 years ago

O the projection!

andddd he doesn’t stick to the flounce!

strike one!

Rutee Katreya
9 years ago

Can someone explain to me why this thread has become all about Pharyngula?

Because Ruby has opted to pretend this thread didn’t happen, again.

Also, FTR, that I don’t consider the jackass’ opinion relevant does not mean that I ignored you, Kladle. I just didn’t really have a response beyond “A lot of folks do actually find plenty of relief there, including me”. It’s not good that people fuck up so regularly and obviously on ableism, and while I was there I tried to help at least a little tiny bit.

Why are you here even? Just to complain about Pharyngula?

He did make a tepid nice guyism on one other thread, just once.

The “Dear Muslima” thing was just the latest in a series of Dawkins’ sexist faux pas, people are fallible you know.

Is it really the latest major one? I haven’t been paying attention to him since then. Relative to his track record (He’s made a lot of sexist comments on pharyngula proper, actually!) that’s actually pretty good.

Eurotrash
Eurotrash
9 years ago

Nice try, but you came in here fussing about a totally different site because someone said swears about Dawkins. Gotta protect the old white dudes at all costs!

What the fuck are you talking about?

Rutee Katreya
9 years ago

What the fuck are you talking about?

That you labelled the people offended or annoyed by the rather obviously misogynist ‘Dear Muslima’ as ‘random butthurt internet people’ indicates that civility is really only important towards white dudes. Trust us, that letter was not even teeny tiny bit civil, and you have given the game away by not seeing the problem with it~

Bostonian
9 years ago

“Haha, you guys are never going to let “Dear Muslima” go, are you? I would imagine he’s got more important things to worry about than a bunch of butthurt internet people.”

This is where you spelled it out, but you came in all butthurt about Pharyngula in the first place, so it is pretty rich that you are fussing at us about tone, especially on a blog with the tagline, Misogyny, I mock it.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

Based on that sentence alone I’m calling “butthurt Dawkins fanboy”.

Xanthë
9 years ago

Why the fuck are you here still?

Eurotrash
Eurotrash
9 years ago

tepid nice guy-ism

You mean the Roissy thing? I’d be interested in how you spun that.

nor do you care about inclusiveness in atheism; not really, anyway.

No, not really, because I despise the atheist community and want no part of it. I could give a fuck about your inclusiveness; it’s just that I find it endlessly fascinating watching assholes wonder why no one want to join their club. Dawkins isn’t exempt; he’s totes an ass. Not as bad as Myers and not nearly as bad as the Pharyngulites but nonetheless an ass. His books, however, are excellent primers re. atheist justification and I recommend them. That’s all.

that meanie atheists somehow draw your ire more than misogyny?

Yeah, I guess. In this particular case, at least. I don’t have to justify a damn thing to you. I saw your mention of Pharyngula and realized it was going to pass without comment, and since I hate that place I commented.

Xanthë
9 years ago

Hey, it’s okay, this member of the atheist club is happy with you not being in it, jerkface.

jumbofish
9 years ago

and since I hate that place I commented.

so you admit you came out of the woodwork just to whine about some place you hate XD

Eurotrash
Eurotrash
9 years ago

Yeah, I guess I did mention Richard Dawkins offhandedly, once, in connection with a post he made that I thought the Pharyngulites sort of overreacted to.

You got me, I’m all about defending the old white dudes!

kladle
kladle
9 years ago

Also, FTR, that I don’t consider the jackass’ opinion relevant does not mean that I ignored you, Kladle. I just didn’t really have a response beyond “A lot of folks do actually find plenty of relief there, including me”. It’s not good that people fuck up so regularly and obviously on ableism, and while I was there I tried to help at least a little tiny bit.

That’s ok, you responded some. I would say more but I don’t want to encourage the Eurotroll. At least you and Xanthe acknowledged some of the problems with the place.

Bostonian
9 years ago

Seriously though, that is what the tone argument is about, more than anything else. Defending the status quo. Oh I realize you think that making a tweak to include atheist dudes is the most radical thing ever, and totally makes you “edgy” and “wild”, but it is more boring and mild compared to actual change in the status quo.

VoIP
VoIP
9 years ago

Hi MRAL.

BTW, I passed my quals.

Rutee Katreya
9 years ago

No, not really, because I despise the atheist community and want no part of it

You know, I’m not really sure what you’re lying about in its entirety, because there’s a lot of good options, but I’m going to bet you’re not really an atheist. Complaining about how atheism is ‘driving people off’ while you as an atheist proudly support driving people off

(See:

I would imagine he’s got more important things to worry about than a bunch of butthurt internet people.

I’m pretty sure you can be firm about your social justice crap

)
Sets off concern troll radars like whoa. Especially now that you’re switching gears on us again.

I saw your mention of Pharyngula and realized it was going to pass without comment, and since I hate that place I commented.

But you can let so many misogynist comments slide; you can even support them. Right up until someone else points out you fucked up in two different ways, anyway. Come now, are you really going to try this?

Hi MRAL.

Hm, I think you’re right.

BTW, I passed my quals.

o/

Eurotrash
Eurotrash
9 years ago

Seriously though, that is what the tone argument is about, more than anything else. Defending the status quo. Oh I realize you think that making a tweak to include atheist dudes is the most radical thing ever, and totally makes you “edgy” and “wild”, but it is more boring and mild compared to actual change in the status quo.

Again, what the fuck are you talking about?

jumbofish
9 years ago

Again, what the fuck are you talking about?

You.

jumbofish
9 years ago

My my tone troll sure is taking a not so nice tone with us. *snerk*

Eurotrash
Eurotrash
9 years ago

I’m not really sure what you’re lying about in its entirety, because there’s a lot of good options, but I’m going to bet you’re not really an atheist. Complaining about how atheism is ‘driving people off’ while you as an atheist proudly support driving people off

I’m an atheist, not someone who really stakes a lot on it or gets involved in any community. I’m not “complaining” per se, I don’t really care. I just find Pharyngula obnoxious, and oh by the way, it’s not doing atheism any favors in the PR department. But I don’t really care about that, I mostly just find it obnoxious.

But you can let so many misogynist comments slide; you can even support them.

Yeah, I guess. Except for the supporting them part. Again, I don’t have to justify myself to you. If thinking of me as a misogynist will help you sleep tonight, go for it.

Hi MRAL.

Wrong, again.

Xanthë
9 years ago

[i]t’s not doing atheism any favors in the PR department.

Well, if it upsets weak tea, pallid little whiners like you, then it’s doing something right in my book.

Rutee Katreya
9 years ago

I’m not “complaining” per se, I don’t really care

You are not a very good liar. Had you actually not cared, at all, you’d have left (Or at least, moved onto other threads). You’re not a regular (Well, your persona isn’t, as we are aware it’s you), so checking back on a thread is… quite anomalous if you don’t actually care.

But I don’t really care about that

Oh, I imagine you don’t care about the atheist PR Department; last I checked, you were busy making half-assed arguments for agnosticism. As I said, concern trolling.

Yeah, I guess. Except for the supporting them part

You’ve already done it. I think you know this. Even if you aren’t actually our recurring waste of space, you pretty specifically denigrated opposition to misogyny, as if their complaint weren’t valid.. And again, even if you are not our recurring pimple, I doubt this is the first time that you have supported misogyny above and beyond the call that is normal for our society.

Wrong, again.

No, no, I don’t think so. Don’t you have homework? I am afraid I’m not as good at reading style as some of the other regulars, good catch VoIP

Eurotrash
Eurotrash
9 years ago

Rutee, you’re one to talk- you don’t care about “the jackass'” opinion, but will reply with multiple essays posthaste. What can I say, arguing on the Internet is addicting. Anyway, I do sort of enjoy talking shit about Pharyngula, so I care about that.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

See, here’s the thing. If you don’t like a particular atheist blog, and you’re not determined to recruit everyone to atheism*, then if you don’t like that blog and don’t really care that much about it, you just ignore it. Investing this much time and energy in screaming about how nasty the commenters there are on another blog indicates that you do in fact care, for whatever reason.

There are feminist blogs that I never read or comment on because I don’t like the blogger, or the commenters. It’s a big internet – no matter what your interest is, you can usually find a blog that covers it that’s more to your liking, so to obsess over that one and it’s incivility
is…odd.

* As far as I know, we are not actively recruiting at present, because that would be creepy.

jumbofish
9 years ago

I do sort of enjoy talking shit about Pharyngula, so I care about that.

You are posting on a site about mocking misogyny in the men’s rights movement…just to complain about some atheist site….

Banhammer David?

Rutee Katreya
9 years ago

Rutee, you’re one to talk- you don’t care about “the jackass’” opinion, but will reply

You’re not the only person here, and I am aware of the limitations of incivillity; you’re not the audience, mediocrity. You’re my stage prop.

Rutee Katreya
9 years ago

At least you and Xanthe acknowledged some of the problems with the place

If I thought it was perfect for everyone, I would rather unreservedly be recruiting everyone to it.

That said, ignoring MRAL (Really folks, it is), I really don’t think a safe space can exist if the requisite is “Is extraordinarily good at all forms of -ism”. I have literally not seen a single place without regular fail on at least one axis or another. C’est la Vie; provided we all work at it, next generation will likely be better.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

I mean, a perfect example here would be a feminist blogger called Heart. I do not like her, and I do not like the commenters she attracts. I solve this problem by not reading or commenting on her blog. See how easy that is?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

(And yeah, MRAL has been busy lately. When he sent me a private message on Jezebel that was a perfect example of his unfortunate issue with not being willing to accept boundaries, in my opinion.)