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Calling women names = human rights advocacy: A visit to A Voice for Men.

So the other day I was perusing the front page of the angry dude blog – sorry, “human rights organization” – A Voice for Men, looking for something inspiring to read. My eyes hit on a promo for a recent AVFM radio show. It was on the topic of feminism, and, apparently, women in general:

Flatworms, eh? You know, those “relatively simple bilaterian, unsegmented, soft-bodied invertebrate animals” without brains, with primitive eye spots that allow them to sense light?

As you know, human rights organizations are widely known for comparing large categories of humanity to primitive worms.

I am reminded of the inspiring words of Martin Luther King:

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. And by the fact that they’re not slimy, dirt-eating worms, like all those damn white kids.

This is, of course, from King’s famous “I had a dream – a really weird dream, where all the white people were worms” speech.

Oh, perhaps JohnTheOther and GirlWritesWhat have some highly clever explanation for that whole “flatworm” thing, but in order to find out I would have to listen to their “radio” show. But life is short, it is a lovely, if a bit chilly, Saturday in April, and I would rather have ferrets chew the flesh off my bones while I am still alive than listen to an hour or more of those two, so I guess I will never know.

But no matter, because there was another post on A Voice for Men that caught my eye:

Yes, I said to myself, I will have to find out what Cooter Bee thinks about the differences between intellect and emotionalism. In the course of my day to day life, I often find myself pondering the deeper philosophical questions of human existence, and when I do, I always wonder: What does Cooter Bee think of that? It is rare that I actually get to learn what Cooter Bee thinks on a particular matter of philosophical import. So naturally I clicked on the link.

Here’s what I learned from the esteemed Professor Cooter Bee:

Endless citation, refutation of fallacy and Socratic pursuit of truth are the tools of reason. Men tend to understand them. Women, generally speaking, don’t because indignation, outrage and gut level distaste are rooted in emotionalism. Women do understand base emotionalism and do respond to it in a more predictable way than they could ever respond to reason. They are also more likely to respond appropriately because the message is more clearly understood. Emotionalism is their language.

So, really, there’s no point in actually arguing anything with those flighty ladies.

No need to waste words or knock yourself out reasoning with feminists or even your wife, for that matter, when a short and visceral pronouncement from on high will do and is more effective.

For example, you can just call them sluts:

Sluts are against slut shaming because sluttiness is, indeed, shameful. Say so. Your position would be unassailable because they too believe it. They invoke moral relativism and slut pride marches as a means to escape the inescapable.

Actually, it’s better if you call the ladies sluts over and over and over again:

Slut Walks, “Sex in the City” and the self esteem cult are all attempts to reassure women that even when they behave abominably that the bad behavior has the sanction of the collective and they face no risk of expulsion if they engage in it. To modify the behavior of women, reimpose that risk. The good news is that it can be done in relatively short order. … A stark and unvarnished remonstration from someone in closer proximity will undo the propaganda swiftly. Declarations of “that is disgusting” accumulate. Hearing it once may not overcome Cosmo and she can dismiss it as an isolated raving of a lunatic. If she were to hear it more often, however, she begins to doubt herself and wonder about her status within her more immediate collective.

You can also modify chick behavior by praising them when they act the way you like them to. It’s really quite simple:

Chick language provides us with a construct that we can use. To women something is “nice” or it is “mean”. They use that simple, emotionally based dichotomy because that is what chicks understand. They use it with us and they use it with each other. That is how they evaluate the world. Use it. …

Most women want to be good so tell them what good is in a way they can grasp easily.

What if they disagree with your assessment of what is good? Doesn’t matter, because you are a man, and therefore right:

Who is to decide what is good and what is evil? Simple. You are. Some men might think it arrogant to anoint themselves as the final arbiter of all moral issues. Not true. As a man, nature equipped you to make decisions based on merit alone without respect to consensus. … You know right and wrong when you see it.

Are there any good women out there? Yes, Cooter Bee tells us. Indeed, there are several women who contribute to AVFM, so there’s them. Beyond that, Dr. Bee, tells us,

I am of the belief that most women are good, if somewhat misled. They only resist righteousness because they think that any behavior that the collective endorses IS righteous. The rare woman who is capable of moral judgment will select good herself and would not be on the receiving end of harsh moral criticism.

Then again, you still might have to yell at the good women from time to time. Really, it’s your duty – it’s for her own good.

Good women are human too. Even in the seldom occurring event of a temporary moral lapse by a decent woman, your diatribe will be no more severe than the one she administers to herself. Would you do less in the case of a man whose judgment falters?

Thank you, Cooter Bee, for your insights!

I had no idea that going around telling women that they’re sluts was a form of human rights advocacy, but apparently it is. The next time I see a woman standing on the streetcorner trying to get me to sign a petition for Amnesty International, I will simply tell her what a dirty whore she is. I will accomplish more with these words than she will in a day of collecting signatures and donations!

NOTE: Since you bring it up all the time, fellas, you might try to remember that the name of the show is Sex AND the City. Also, it ceased production eight years ago.

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pillowinhell
12 years ago

Ruby, you’re talking to a woman with a highschool education. So nice try insinuating that I look down on someones lack of secondary education. I mean education such as reading books from a variety of views independantly, or actually listening to the LIVED EXPERIENCE.

I’m sure everyone does have opinions on poverty, some opinions (rlike yours) are ill informed and merit being questioned or having the problems pointed out.

The kindest defense I can think of for you is that this is not the best forum for you to make your points clear.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
12 years ago

The article was poorly accetped. Traditionalists are fewer and fewer in the MRM.

That’s great, Antz. Now only if you guys could also do away with the rape apologia, misogyny, and vague threats of violence…but then what would be left?

Xanthë
12 years ago

Thanks David. There is evidence across species, but certainly including humans – with numerous caveats and qualifications – that the quantity of the hormone testosterone (present in much larger quantities in people with testes) correlates with increased aggression; people with ovaries produce smaller quantities of testosterone even though they may be more sensitive to it. Ruby’s point is borne out in the main (Wikipedia, with citations there)

Bee
Bee
12 years ago

Not everyone has the same idea about what’s best for the poor

OF COURSE intelligent people can disagree, but the position that maybe poor people shouldn’t really get health care is not an argument that’s about “what’s best for the poor,” imo.

Kyrie
Kyrie
12 years ago

“I’m a Libertarian.” “Oh, so you want poor people to die.”

Was an actual exchange that happened.

Mmmm hmmmm.

Here is what it sounded more like to me:

Ruby: “I’m a Libertarian (fiscally conservative, socially liberal)”
Other Person: “Uh what?”
R: I like liberty! Also people who are productive.
OP: but what about people, some productive and some not, who can’t afford to pay for health care? Which happened to include me, at some point of my life.
R: Yeah, sorry, but we cant afford to anything for them. Also we must be nice to rich people, or we’re doomed. DOOOOOOOOMMMMMED. But if I had magical power I would totally eradicate poverty.
*facepalm*
OT: suure, but in the mean time…
R: our system is great and make plenty of poor people not-poor!
OP: here are some arguments and example that you should take in consideration on why this is not enough
R: here is a video about OSW being classist.
OP: …. so?
R: Is there a magical land with lots of immigrant and no poverty?
OT: wtf?
R: USA is the best at making poors non-poors!
OP: here is some data on why you’re wrong
R: so what about my magical country?!
OP: *answers to previous questions
R: socialism is wrong! Unless you can show me a perfect socialist country. And your answers are bad because it’s a smaller country than USA. Also, “I suppose it’s easier for Socialism to work if you have a small, homogenous country that doesn’t take in so much of the world’s poor.”
[…]
R: Here is Fox News video that agrees with me.

So, that was page 1 and 2. (only sentences in “” are quotes, the rest is my interpretation) You can read the rest here, if you’d like.

http://manboobz.forummotion.com/t796-sexism-on-the-web

Ruby Hypatia
Ruby Hypatia
12 years ago

I said that most wars and genocides were purpetrated by men.

I never said poor people deserve to be poor because they don’t work hard enough, but we should admit that many people stay poor because of bad choices.

And pillowinhell, I never insinuated that you look down on people without secondary educations.

This is the problem with these debates. I have to start so many sentences with, “I never said” because of all the strawman arguments.

LBT
LBT
12 years ago

You know, this discussion of women as stupid, emotional creatures reminds me of the characters from “The Haunted Vagina,” where one of the female characters pretty much ONLY said stupid things and understood everything through how it affected her, and had the intelligence of a dumb dog. Oh, and she wanted to constantly fuck the male narrator.

Have these guys never MET women?

Kyrie
Kyrie
12 years ago

Or a quicker version:

– I’m a Libertarian.
[…]
– we can’t afford health care
– So what, should we let poor people to die?
– let me never answer to any of your questions, and just make another bad argument of post a random youtube video.
[…]
– troll.
– you meanies!

Ruby Hypatia
Ruby Hypatia
12 years ago

Oh boy, are you guys going to start making up nasty limerics about me again?

Kyrie
Kyrie
12 years ago

but we should admit that many people stay poor because of bad choices.

First mistake: being born poor. And/or with a disability. (or getting one, same thing)
Other mistakes: I dunno, being lazy probably…

pillowinhell
12 years ago

Oh..so that’s why you brought up education versus intelligence eh?

Bad decisions? You have no idea what kinds of “decisions” are left to the poor and when out right asked well do I pay the rent or buy medicine you either refused to answer or moved on to some other point you hoped would prove the bad choice/laziness of the poor.

pillowinhell
12 years ago

Okay Ruby…what bad choices do many of the poor make?

Kyrie
Kyrie
12 years ago

I’m not sure, are you talking to me? Because I don’t know what a limeric is…
(google google…)
Is it a poem? Because I saw none in the conversation so far.

Kyrie
Kyrie
12 years ago

Okay Ruby…what bad choices do many of the poor make?

+1

Holly Pervocracy
12 years ago

Poor people don’t choose to work hard! That’s why they get the cushy jobs like landscaping and housekeeping on their knees all day or working two retail shifts back-to-back.

It’s pretty lazy compared to the work an executive in an air-conditioned office with a personal assistant puts in.

Happy
Happy
12 years ago

I think there’s a very obvious point being missed here and that’s the difference between sex and gender. MRAs look the other way when this is being discussed because it, at a stroke, ruins their claims that feminists hate men. Personally, I believe that men are more violent, especially towards other men, because of the unrealistic demands that ideal types of masculinity makes. It is far more socially acceptable for men to be violent that it is for women. A woman’s violence reduces her femininity, a man’s violence enhances his masculinity. These are stereotypes, of course, but are powerful enough.

MRAs know fine well that feminists believe in deconstructing gender types to stop this kind of thing – but they won’t admit it because it ruins their arguments. Instead, they blame “feminism” for chivalry which, they claim, causes male disposability. This, claims MRAs, is one of the many ways in which men are oppressed.

It’s utter gibberish, foolish nonsense, but they have to say they believe it.

Socially created and sustained notions of dysfunctional masculinity causes men to be more violent than women. Of course there are many types of socially unacceptable violence that are more frowned upon, but in the main violent men are treated far differently to violent women. Quite often violent men are rewarded for their violence in different ways.

Male feminists that I know embraced feminism because it allowed them to question the unrealistic goals that society had set for men. Oh, and MRAs, they questioned all of this without “going their own way” or hating women. Do you know why? Because only a complete fucking idiot would do that.

Holly Pervocracy
12 years ago

…The fascinating implication here is that if everyone made the right choices, everyone could be rich without changing the economic system one bit.

The sound you just heard was mathematics exploding.

pillowinhell
12 years ago

The sound you just heard was mathematics exploding.

Can we please have a font which means “this is so funny you may accidently spit your porkchop out?”

pillowinhell
12 years ago

Didn’t Rubys “bad choices by poor” involve poor people eatring macdonalds all the time?

cloudiah
12 years ago

Yes, the poors should stop eating all that terrible fast food, since they have so many other options available. Next question?

Falconer
12 years ago

It’s pretty lazy compared to the work an executive in an air-conditioned office with a personal assistant puts in.

Well, yeah, I mean those golf courses don’t stay open round the clock, you know? Whereas those folk working on their knees or on two shifts a day can keep working after dark because of the miraculous inventions of Mr. Edison. Which he totally didn’t steal from other people.

@LBT — Just noticed your pic on the forums. Was that a far-out story, or what?

LBT
LBT
12 years ago

RE: Falconer

That story is known between me and our dad as “SuperMoses Battles the Hitler Clones.”

I use it on my blog for all my trans rage posts. 😀 Also handy for douches who think their gender is all the explanation they need.

pillowinhell
12 years ago

Cloudiah, seriously I thought that link was going to take me to “soilk and greens”

I guess my bad decision this month ewas in investing ten dollars in a bin I’ve rigged to be an indoor composter, and twenty dollars in seeds for an indoor veggie garden in front of my windows. Oh, and I spent some time asking my better to do neighbors for their popbottles so I can make self watering plant pots of them. Very big on urban homesteading.

Make it over, wear it out,make it do or do without! Well, I’m done with doing without.

pillowinhell
12 years ago

What are you trying to tell us Clodiah? That not every poor person can walk twenty blocks with their own bodyweight in canned goods from the grocery store? Poor choice amongst the poor, not maintaining their weightlifting physiques and doing other things like working which prevents them from having enough energy. That and spending their bus money getting to work, if they had any.

ozymandias42
12 years ago

I am really curious what good choices I made as an infant to grow up relatively well-to-do. Did I shit in my diaper the right way?

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