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Calling women names = human rights advocacy: A visit to A Voice for Men.

So the other day I was perusing the front page of the angry dude blog – sorry, “human rights organization” – A Voice for Men, looking for something inspiring to read. My eyes hit on a promo for a recent AVFM radio show. It was on the topic of feminism, and, apparently, women in general:

Flatworms, eh? You know, those “relatively simple bilaterian, unsegmented, soft-bodied invertebrate animals” without brains, with primitive eye spots that allow them to sense light?

As you know, human rights organizations are widely known for comparing large categories of humanity to primitive worms.

I am reminded of the inspiring words of Martin Luther King:

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. And by the fact that they’re not slimy, dirt-eating worms, like all those damn white kids.

This is, of course, from King’s famous “I had a dream – a really weird dream, where all the white people were worms” speech.

Oh, perhaps JohnTheOther and GirlWritesWhat have some highly clever explanation for that whole “flatworm” thing, but in order to find out I would have to listen to their “radio” show. But life is short, it is a lovely, if a bit chilly, Saturday in April, and I would rather have ferrets chew the flesh off my bones while I am still alive than listen to an hour or more of those two, so I guess I will never know.

But no matter, because there was another post on A Voice for Men that caught my eye:

Yes, I said to myself, I will have to find out what Cooter Bee thinks about the differences between intellect and emotionalism. In the course of my day to day life, I often find myself pondering the deeper philosophical questions of human existence, and when I do, I always wonder: What does Cooter Bee think of that? It is rare that I actually get to learn what Cooter Bee thinks on a particular matter of philosophical import. So naturally I clicked on the link.

Here’s what I learned from the esteemed Professor Cooter Bee:

Endless citation, refutation of fallacy and Socratic pursuit of truth are the tools of reason. Men tend to understand them. Women, generally speaking, don’t because indignation, outrage and gut level distaste are rooted in emotionalism. Women do understand base emotionalism and do respond to it in a more predictable way than they could ever respond to reason. They are also more likely to respond appropriately because the message is more clearly understood. Emotionalism is their language.

So, really, there’s no point in actually arguing anything with those flighty ladies.

No need to waste words or knock yourself out reasoning with feminists or even your wife, for that matter, when a short and visceral pronouncement from on high will do and is more effective.

For example, you can just call them sluts:

Sluts are against slut shaming because sluttiness is, indeed, shameful. Say so. Your position would be unassailable because they too believe it. They invoke moral relativism and slut pride marches as a means to escape the inescapable.

Actually, it’s better if you call the ladies sluts over and over and over again:

Slut Walks, “Sex in the City” and the self esteem cult are all attempts to reassure women that even when they behave abominably that the bad behavior has the sanction of the collective and they face no risk of expulsion if they engage in it. To modify the behavior of women, reimpose that risk. The good news is that it can be done in relatively short order. … A stark and unvarnished remonstration from someone in closer proximity will undo the propaganda swiftly. Declarations of “that is disgusting” accumulate. Hearing it once may not overcome Cosmo and she can dismiss it as an isolated raving of a lunatic. If she were to hear it more often, however, she begins to doubt herself and wonder about her status within her more immediate collective.

You can also modify chick behavior by praising them when they act the way you like them to. It’s really quite simple:

Chick language provides us with a construct that we can use. To women something is “nice” or it is “mean”. They use that simple, emotionally based dichotomy because that is what chicks understand. They use it with us and they use it with each other. That is how they evaluate the world. Use it. …

Most women want to be good so tell them what good is in a way they can grasp easily.

What if they disagree with your assessment of what is good? Doesn’t matter, because you are a man, and therefore right:

Who is to decide what is good and what is evil? Simple. You are. Some men might think it arrogant to anoint themselves as the final arbiter of all moral issues. Not true. As a man, nature equipped you to make decisions based on merit alone without respect to consensus. … You know right and wrong when you see it.

Are there any good women out there? Yes, Cooter Bee tells us. Indeed, there are several women who contribute to AVFM, so there’s them. Beyond that, Dr. Bee, tells us,

I am of the belief that most women are good, if somewhat misled. They only resist righteousness because they think that any behavior that the collective endorses IS righteous. The rare woman who is capable of moral judgment will select good herself and would not be on the receiving end of harsh moral criticism.

Then again, you still might have to yell at the good women from time to time. Really, it’s your duty – it’s for her own good.

Good women are human too. Even in the seldom occurring event of a temporary moral lapse by a decent woman, your diatribe will be no more severe than the one she administers to herself. Would you do less in the case of a man whose judgment falters?

Thank you, Cooter Bee, for your insights!

I had no idea that going around telling women that they’re sluts was a form of human rights advocacy, but apparently it is. The next time I see a woman standing on the streetcorner trying to get me to sign a petition for Amnesty International, I will simply tell her what a dirty whore she is. I will accomplish more with these words than she will in a day of collecting signatures and donations!

NOTE: Since you bring it up all the time, fellas, you might try to remember that the name of the show is Sex AND the City. Also, it ceased production eight years ago.

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Kyrie
Kyrie
12 years ago

I don’t mind people having different opinion, BTW, but not all opinions are acceptable.
“Apple pie is better than brownie” => acceptable
“PoC are not as good as white people” => not acceptable, and trolling on every healthy part of the internet.
“God(s) exist” => acceptable
“women are less intelligent than men” => not acceptable, and trolling especially if your on a feminist space
“killing people in war is moral” => acceptable, though might be trolling in a pacifist space?
“women are gold diggers because of their DNA” => not acceptable, and trolling especially if your on a feminist space
“libertarianism is a good thing” => acceptable
“poor people should pull up their bootstrap” => not acceptable
any attempt to prove an argument by posting Fox News videos, Daily mail articles => trolling
defending gender essentialism => I’m gonna let you guess.

Anyway: troll troll trolly troll.

Holly Pervocracy
12 years ago

Also: “Your argument is wrong because [response to points made] = acceptable.

“Your argument is wrong because it’s mean and [repetition of original claim with no indication of reading any responses]” = not so acceptable, and makes any response other than “troll” make us feel like we’re having our time wasted

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

shhh she might not get the “keep fucking that chicken” thing like the other guy (I forget his name now) and think you mean that actually she is into bestiality….
XDXDX

OMG, that was hilarious, hall-of-fame-worthy Not Getting It.

Ruby, we don’t call you a troll becasue we disagree with you, it’s because you say assy shit and then get bent out of shape when called on it. That’s assuiming you can be bothered to read responses in the first place.

Maybe the political sites you come from cast you as the Lone Feminist Ranger, but you’re not even 101 level here.

pillowinhell
12 years ago

Well gee, speaking for myself here as a slutty single mom, what else do I have to do other than waste time responding to trolls whilst waiting for all my vagina money to appear (which never has). Oh wait, I do have to fit in some time crying in the street so people will throw sandwiches and money at me. And its a bugger trying to leave my million dollar condo in the stretch limo and not have people notice me when I step onto my chosen street to cry. How do I ever keep up with it all?

Bee
Bee
12 years ago

pillowinhell: ALSO, you should schedule time in your slutty feminist calendar to steal sperm, spit in men’s faces by not saying hello to them enthusiastically as they would like, and ruin men’s lives through hate law legislation. We’re counting on you, sister! *fistbump*

Bee
Bee
12 years ago

YAY! My name is Bee* again! (Thanks, Dracula!) (*temporarily fka abeegoesbuzz)

Jessay (@jessay)
12 years ago

@Cassandra I guess I just take it as a given that this must be what they want us to believe because they seem to use women who have high standards in dating, or even any standards at all, against them, as if it makes them bad people. So the logical part of my mind wants to conclude that they must have no standards if they dare make such harsh judgments holding themselves about women for this, but the realistic part of my mind knows that they are probably just being hypocrites again. I guess hypocritical judgment falls somewhere in that logic spectrum that us women just can’t understand.

pillowinhell
12 years ago

Oh don’t you worry Bee, I’ve got it all covered! I already stole some guys sperm, piss off men with dirty looks when they tell me I have nice tits as I walk by and I’m actively recruiting my daughter to the cause. She’s well on her way to becoming a nice little feminazi. Not to mention eightenn years of bleeding my father dry and expecting Beloved to do chores around the house.

Pillowinhell, ruining mens lives since 1974.

Bee
Bee
12 years ago

I drafted 17 men into the armed forced today all by myself! How? Feminism, that’s how.

pillowinhell
12 years ago

Oh wait! I forgot the part where I’m supposed to have a son to abuse through his childhood. Great, now I have to find some thug so I can steal his sperm. Beloved is just such a cute little housepet and so well trained. It would be a shame to watse all that brainwashing by stealing his sperm.

Well I guess the lack of an abused son is what’s preventing me from becoming a misandrist legislator. What man can I blame for my lack of credentials?

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
12 years ago

@pillowinhell:

You’re supposed to blame ALL OF MEN ALL THE TIME FOR EVERYTHING. That’s how feminism works!

pillowinhell
12 years ago

Well yes I supposre so. But its so much more gratifying to have one man in particular to heap denigration, humiliation and the meat grinder of feminist rule upon.

Besides, that guy whoever it is will also make a good example for the other pathetic slobs who’ve resisted a proper outlook on life.

Bee
Bee
12 years ago

I’m not saying women aren’t aggressive, but men more than women express their aggression with violence.

I’m pretty sure this is true. I don’t think it’s gender essentialism. Ruby’s not saying it’s all in the genes.

Possibly it’s true? Even if true, however, it’s totally unnuanced. How is “violence” defined? (Is self-harm included?) Are there differences in socialization, etc. that account for a discrepancy in expressions of aggression? (Almost certainly, yes.) It’s sloppy at best. And frankly, it sounds like something an MRA who was pretending to be a feminist would say: “I think as feminists we can all agree that men are responsible for all the genocide!” NOOOO, no, as a feminist I do not cosign that.

Ruby Hypatia
Ruby Hypatia
12 years ago

If I debated one or two people, I could probably respond to all the posts, but not when debating four or five people. It’s not fair to gang up on someone then bitch when they don’t want to spend three hours responding to everyone. As for getting bent out of shape, it’s because of the strawman arguments. “I’m a Libertarian.” “Oh, so you want poor people to die.”

Ruby Hypatia
Ruby Hypatia
12 years ago

Bee, do you really think I’m a MRA pretending to be a feminist?!?! OMG, LOLOLOL! Is it just you or is it others as well?

pillowinhell
12 years ago

Ruby, I’m sure there’s a variety of choices here. You could chosde to lurk. You could choosde smaller forums. You could ask that only “x people” debate you for a period of time and not respond to others. You could also try seriously educating yourself on the issues you bring up and why others may disagree. And then, actually have some matrials on hand to help argue your point.

Sorry, I don’t have much pity for someone who got called out for zir bootstrap theory and clearly has no idea what it means to be poor and just as clearly doesn’t give a shit except that people got pissed after several days of attempting to help zie understand what zie is ignoring in terms of factors.

Bee
Bee
12 years ago

“I’m a Libertarian.” “Oh, so you want poor people to die.”

Was an actual exchange that happened.

Mmmm hmmmm.

pillowinhell
12 years ago

Shorter Ruby: those meanie poor people with their actual lived experiences! How dare they contradict my privileged views!

Ruby Hypatia
Ruby Hypatia
12 years ago

pillowinhell, I do educate myself. Are you saying that if someone disagrees with you they aren’t educated? Intelligent people can’t disagree? Not everyone has the same idea about what’s best for the poor, and just because someone has a different opinion, it doesn’t mean they hate the poor. Sheesh!

jumbofish
12 years ago

“I’m a Libertarian.” “Oh, so you want poor people to die.”

Name one place were that convo actually occurred. XD

Just one.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

Hey Antz! I see that your connection to reality continues to deteriorate. Anyway, about your video…it was posted at and the sweetness and sadness of it exclaimed over on Jezebel ages ago. Sorry to burst your indignation bubble.

jumbofish
12 years ago

The issue isn’t that you are a libertarian it’s that you are a gender essentialist arse who thinks poor people deserve to be poor because they just don’t work hard enough.

Bee
Bee
12 years ago

But she didn’t say that. She said that men on average tend to be more violent than women on average.

She said the genocide thing on another thread. I forget which one.

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