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Calling women names = human rights advocacy: A visit to A Voice for Men.

So the other day I was perusing the front page of the angry dude blog – sorry, “human rights organization” – A Voice for Men, looking for something inspiring to read. My eyes hit on a promo for a recent AVFM radio show. It was on the topic of feminism, and, apparently, women in general:

Flatworms, eh? You know, those “relatively simple bilaterian, unsegmented, soft-bodied invertebrate animals” without brains, with primitive eye spots that allow them to sense light?

As you know, human rights organizations are widely known for comparing large categories of humanity to primitive worms.

I am reminded of the inspiring words of Martin Luther King:

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. And by the fact that they’re not slimy, dirt-eating worms, like all those damn white kids.

This is, of course, from King’s famous “I had a dream – a really weird dream, where all the white people were worms” speech.

Oh, perhaps JohnTheOther and GirlWritesWhat have some highly clever explanation for that whole “flatworm” thing, but in order to find out I would have to listen to their “radio” show. But life is short, it is a lovely, if a bit chilly, Saturday in April, and I would rather have ferrets chew the flesh off my bones while I am still alive than listen to an hour or more of those two, so I guess I will never know.

But no matter, because there was another post on A Voice for Men that caught my eye:

Yes, I said to myself, I will have to find out what Cooter Bee thinks about the differences between intellect and emotionalism. In the course of my day to day life, I often find myself pondering the deeper philosophical questions of human existence, and when I do, I always wonder: What does Cooter Bee think of that? It is rare that I actually get to learn what Cooter Bee thinks on a particular matter of philosophical import. So naturally I clicked on the link.

Here’s what I learned from the esteemed Professor Cooter Bee:

Endless citation, refutation of fallacy and Socratic pursuit of truth are the tools of reason. Men tend to understand them. Women, generally speaking, don’t because indignation, outrage and gut level distaste are rooted in emotionalism. Women do understand base emotionalism and do respond to it in a more predictable way than they could ever respond to reason. They are also more likely to respond appropriately because the message is more clearly understood. Emotionalism is their language.

So, really, there’s no point in actually arguing anything with those flighty ladies.

No need to waste words or knock yourself out reasoning with feminists or even your wife, for that matter, when a short and visceral pronouncement from on high will do and is more effective.

For example, you can just call them sluts:

Sluts are against slut shaming because sluttiness is, indeed, shameful. Say so. Your position would be unassailable because they too believe it. They invoke moral relativism and slut pride marches as a means to escape the inescapable.

Actually, it’s better if you call the ladies sluts over and over and over again:

Slut Walks, “Sex in the City” and the self esteem cult are all attempts to reassure women that even when they behave abominably that the bad behavior has the sanction of the collective and they face no risk of expulsion if they engage in it. To modify the behavior of women, reimpose that risk. The good news is that it can be done in relatively short order. … A stark and unvarnished remonstration from someone in closer proximity will undo the propaganda swiftly. Declarations of “that is disgusting” accumulate. Hearing it once may not overcome Cosmo and she can dismiss it as an isolated raving of a lunatic. If she were to hear it more often, however, she begins to doubt herself and wonder about her status within her more immediate collective.

You can also modify chick behavior by praising them when they act the way you like them to. It’s really quite simple:

Chick language provides us with a construct that we can use. To women something is “nice” or it is “mean”. They use that simple, emotionally based dichotomy because that is what chicks understand. They use it with us and they use it with each other. That is how they evaluate the world. Use it. …

Most women want to be good so tell them what good is in a way they can grasp easily.

What if they disagree with your assessment of what is good? Doesn’t matter, because you are a man, and therefore right:

Who is to decide what is good and what is evil? Simple. You are. Some men might think it arrogant to anoint themselves as the final arbiter of all moral issues. Not true. As a man, nature equipped you to make decisions based on merit alone without respect to consensus. … You know right and wrong when you see it.

Are there any good women out there? Yes, Cooter Bee tells us. Indeed, there are several women who contribute to AVFM, so there’s them. Beyond that, Dr. Bee, tells us,

I am of the belief that most women are good, if somewhat misled. They only resist righteousness because they think that any behavior that the collective endorses IS righteous. The rare woman who is capable of moral judgment will select good herself and would not be on the receiving end of harsh moral criticism.

Then again, you still might have to yell at the good women from time to time. Really, it’s your duty – it’s for her own good.

Good women are human too. Even in the seldom occurring event of a temporary moral lapse by a decent woman, your diatribe will be no more severe than the one she administers to herself. Would you do less in the case of a man whose judgment falters?

Thank you, Cooter Bee, for your insights!

I had no idea that going around telling women that they’re sluts was a form of human rights advocacy, but apparently it is. The next time I see a woman standing on the streetcorner trying to get me to sign a petition for Amnesty International, I will simply tell her what a dirty whore she is. I will accomplish more with these words than she will in a day of collecting signatures and donations!

NOTE: Since you bring it up all the time, fellas, you might try to remember that the name of the show is Sex AND the City. Also, it ceased production eight years ago.

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Lady Zombie
Lady Zombie
12 years ago

Actually Ruby, it’s more accurate to say that some men are violent and some men aren’t. Same as women. There are some women who will act out in a physically violent manner while some women don’t. But this still doesn’t address which gender, if either, is more innately violent than the other. Casually looking at the data would say, yes, men tend to be more violent and women less violent. But then you have to start factoring in social conditioning and gender expectations. When you have a culture that expects men to be manly and express themselves physically and expects women to be docile, you can therefore expect to see this general behavior.

But, I’ve always maintained that rationality is not the default condition of either gender. We have to work at being rational. Part of this is because of our brains. The pre-frontal cortex of the brain is the last area to reach maturation and thats the area of the brain which houses executive order mental processing. The midbrain, where the amygdala is located is not equipped to make rational decisions. It’s the “gut.” It’s the emotional center. The midbrain is also where a lot of incoming stimuli is sorted. For instance, auditory stimuli. Music can affect emotions profoundly without thinking about it. This is true for both genders.

These guys like to fool themselves into believing that since they possess manly brainmeats, it makes them innately more rational and logical when this is simply not the case. Again, they’re just exploiting gender stereotypes and expectations of gendered behavior.

seranvali
12 years ago

AntZ: what exactly are you trying to say? That women are cruel and hard hearted while men are logical, kind and charitable? And why the ad? Personally, I thought it was beautiful, sad and a tad manipulative. Or are you trying to suggest that we were so cold hearted that we’d feel nothing. I say you lost on all counts. Why do we have to run with this stupid gender essentialism? Why not just let people be whatever makes them happy and fulfills their intellect?

cloudiah
12 years ago

Antz, what’s your point? An insurance company is using emotion to make a profit… You think they care about dads? Only if they’re paying the premiums.

ozymandias42
12 years ago

As a feminist, I sob at everything. I sobbed four times at the Hunger Games (when Katniss leaves Prim, that one scene where Cesar is all like “the magic moment a Tribute becomes a Victor” and it’s clearly this sad broken kid bashing another kid’s head in with a rock, Rue’s spoiler, Cato’s spoiler). I have ALL THE FEELS. (Particularly in situations that involve girls with dead little sisters.)

Holly Pervocracy
12 years ago

I think it’s important to point out here that emotion and rationality aren’t opposites. You can be a very sensible, straightforward person who thinks everything through and also cries and laughs on a hair-trigger. Or you can be a very even-keeled, straight-faced, unemotional person who still makes decisions that make no damn sense.

There’s no rule that if you stop crying so much you suddenly get good at math, or vice versa.

jumbofish
12 years ago

This is a bit delayed but if you are still reading boggi:

Hey jumbofish! What do you want me to do? Grovel for forgiveness?

LOLOLOLOLOLOL I TROLL YOU!!!!!!!!! THIS IS A PIX OF ME!!!!!1111

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/1/14/Google_founder_Sergey_Brin_in_drag.jpg

Fuck you.

If you think I wanted you to “grovel for forgiveness” you really don’t understand at all what you did wrong. You should have admitted to sockpuppeting, said you were sorry, promise to not to do it again, and then stopped sockpuppeting. But no, instead you decide to say that this entire time you were just trolling us and it’s funny to you. Not Cool.

Xtra
12 years ago

I wonder, if that commercial had a mother and her child in that commercial, would Antz be so filled with emotion?

cloudiah
12 years ago

My friends had to stage an intervention to force me to stop watching certain shows on Animal Plane because they would leave me in tears. The most recent movie to leave me a shattered wreck trying to pull herself together during the credits was A Better Life. Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Better_Life

Demián Bichir was amazing as the dad.

Still not sure what Antz’ point was.

cloudiah
12 years ago

^Animal Planet. Though Animal Plane might be kind of a tearjerker too, who knows.

Ruby Hypatia
Ruby Hypatia
12 years ago

Lady Zombie, true, culture has a lot to do with how violent people are. This can even be true with animals. I was watching the documentary, Stress, Portrait of a Killer. The study of baboons showed that the dominant (aggressive) males had the least amount of stress. They picked on everyone else, made life miserable for the whole troop, especially those at the bottom of the social pecking order. Then one day they got into some trash and the dominant males ate tainted meat and died. The troop was left with females and the nice guys. It changed their culture so much that all their stress levels came down. Even when dominant males joined their troop, they too learned to be nice. Fascinating.

pillowinhell
12 years ago

AntZ has a point? Oh yeah. To troll. I mean what bettter way to troll than come on a thread mocking MRA bullshit about how emoootioonnall women are and then demand that we all fall in to hysterical sobbing fits over a highly explotive ad about the fathers pain of his daughters suicide attempt and they’re DEAF.

Not funny Antz, considering that my aunt is deaf and did try to commit suicide multiple times, not because she’s deaf, but because of the way people treated and viewed her. That commercial might have been used tro raise awareness about the challenges deaf people face in society or about resources to help both hearing and deaf people relate better. Instead its being used to sell insurance.

Antz, you do not get to claim being the gender that’s so logical and unemotional and shit and then also claim that you’re the gender capable of high degrees of empathic connection and the finer emotions.

abeegoesbuzz
abeegoesbuzz
12 years ago

Milkslave:

Funny thing is…all the hate laws, like VAWA, child custody, job quota’s, grants of every type is for only women. The list and money spent by law on only women is endless. So for all the lip service, the hatred is clearly in womens court. Only the gender with all the power could possibly have hatred enacted into law.

So, a law protecting abused spouses, children, and domestic partners from abuse; various state laws that generally have as their standard what is best for the child and prohibit automatic preference based on gender; something that DOES NOT EVEN EXIST as a law; and monetary grants to help address the fact that women have been underserved a class until quite recently, and that to this day the default in most situations is men — people, THESE are hate laws. According to the milkslave.

AntZ:

In comparison, the hard heart of feminism becomes colder and more cruel every day. For example, I wonder if any of you are capable of feeling anything, anything at all, when you see this:

So which one is it, AntZ? Feminists (who sometimes are women) are heartless and unfeeling or women (who sometimes are feminists) are too emotional? Pick your stereotype!

Ruby:

Men are more violent, and violence is the result of emotion, not reason.

This isn’t the first tie Ruby’s said shit like this. I thought that was why she got called out as a troll about a week ago or whatever. *whistles*

Kyrie
Kyrie
12 years ago

Antz: the video was moving, but it’s also manipulative since it has only been created to sell insurance. It also states a lie: “a father will always love perfectly”. Some fathers rape their child, some murder them, some beat them, some abandon them, some do their duty to their child but regret fathering them.*

abeegoesbuzz said:

This isn’t the first tie Ruby’s said shit like this. I thought that was why she got called out as a troll about a week ago or whatever. *whistles*

True, though not just for that.

*obvious disclaimer: also true for mothers.

ozymandias42
12 years ago

Men are more violent. Reaaaaaally.

Sexism is not a cure for sexism, people.

Kyrie
Kyrie
12 years ago

Ozy: but we fight fire with fire, so it should work, no?

</sarcasm>

abeegoesbuzz
abeegoesbuzz
12 years ago

Wait a minute, AntZ … by “I wonder if any of you are capable of feeling anything,” do you mean like when my ganglia start tingling and my eyespots leak?

pillowinhell
12 years ago

Abeegoesbuzz we ALL know that only happens when dirt gets into our eyes. If only we didn’t have to carry some sand in our pockets in case social cues demand leaky eyes! Laundry day would be so much easier.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
12 years ago

You know, Antsy, usually when you say “for example,” what follows is an example of something you have just mentioned. Saying “for example, I bet this emotional video doesn’t even move your frigid, hardened hearts to emit streams of manly tears, you inhuman harpies,” is just an example of your masturbatory self-congratulation and demonization of feminists. Furthermore, it’s not even good trolling. You need to up your game, Antsy.

Ruby Hypatia
Ruby Hypatia
12 years ago

I’m not saying women aren’t aggressive, but men more than women express their aggression with violence.

BTW, just because you disagree with me, it’s no reason to call me a troll.

Snowy
Snowy
12 years ago

But Ruby, as it’s been explained to you countless times that’s not actually the reason people are calling you a troll. But keep fucking that chicken if it makes you feel better about yourself.

jumbofish
12 years ago

shhh she might not get the “keep fucking that chicken” thing like the other guy (I forget his name now) and think you mean that actually she is into bestiality….
XDXDX

jumbofish
12 years ago

/bad joke only certain older mbzrs might get

Kyrie
Kyrie
12 years ago

I’m an older mbzer, yeah!

katz
12 years ago

The pre-frontal cortex of the brain is the last area to reach masturbation

That’s totally what I read. #contributingnothing

katz
12 years ago

Ruby, we call you a troll because you never read what people reply to you, ever. Ever.

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