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Calling women names = human rights advocacy: A visit to A Voice for Men.

So the other day I was perusing the front page of the angry dude blog – sorry, “human rights organization” – A Voice for Men, looking for something inspiring to read. My eyes hit on a promo for a recent AVFM radio show. It was on the topic of feminism, and, apparently, women in general:

Flatworms, eh? You know, those “relatively simple bilaterian, unsegmented, soft-bodied invertebrate animals” without brains, with primitive eye spots that allow them to sense light?

As you know, human rights organizations are widely known for comparing large categories of humanity to primitive worms.

I am reminded of the inspiring words of Martin Luther King:

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. And by the fact that they’re not slimy, dirt-eating worms, like all those damn white kids.

This is, of course, from King’s famous “I had a dream – a really weird dream, where all the white people were worms” speech.

Oh, perhaps JohnTheOther and GirlWritesWhat have some highly clever explanation for that whole “flatworm” thing, but in order to find out I would have to listen to their “radio” show. But life is short, it is a lovely, if a bit chilly, Saturday in April, and I would rather have ferrets chew the flesh off my bones while I am still alive than listen to an hour or more of those two, so I guess I will never know.

But no matter, because there was another post on A Voice for Men that caught my eye:

Yes, I said to myself, I will have to find out what Cooter Bee thinks about the differences between intellect and emotionalism. In the course of my day to day life, I often find myself pondering the deeper philosophical questions of human existence, and when I do, I always wonder: What does Cooter Bee think of that? It is rare that I actually get to learn what Cooter Bee thinks on a particular matter of philosophical import. So naturally I clicked on the link.

Here’s what I learned from the esteemed Professor Cooter Bee:

Endless citation, refutation of fallacy and Socratic pursuit of truth are the tools of reason. Men tend to understand them. Women, generally speaking, don’t because indignation, outrage and gut level distaste are rooted in emotionalism. Women do understand base emotionalism and do respond to it in a more predictable way than they could ever respond to reason. They are also more likely to respond appropriately because the message is more clearly understood. Emotionalism is their language.

So, really, there’s no point in actually arguing anything with those flighty ladies.

No need to waste words or knock yourself out reasoning with feminists or even your wife, for that matter, when a short and visceral pronouncement from on high will do and is more effective.

For example, you can just call them sluts:

Sluts are against slut shaming because sluttiness is, indeed, shameful. Say so. Your position would be unassailable because they too believe it. They invoke moral relativism and slut pride marches as a means to escape the inescapable.

Actually, it’s better if you call the ladies sluts over and over and over again:

Slut Walks, “Sex in the City” and the self esteem cult are all attempts to reassure women that even when they behave abominably that the bad behavior has the sanction of the collective and they face no risk of expulsion if they engage in it. To modify the behavior of women, reimpose that risk. The good news is that it can be done in relatively short order. … A stark and unvarnished remonstration from someone in closer proximity will undo the propaganda swiftly. Declarations of “that is disgusting” accumulate. Hearing it once may not overcome Cosmo and she can dismiss it as an isolated raving of a lunatic. If she were to hear it more often, however, she begins to doubt herself and wonder about her status within her more immediate collective.

You can also modify chick behavior by praising them when they act the way you like them to. It’s really quite simple:

Chick language provides us with a construct that we can use. To women something is “nice” or it is “mean”. They use that simple, emotionally based dichotomy because that is what chicks understand. They use it with us and they use it with each other. That is how they evaluate the world. Use it. …

Most women want to be good so tell them what good is in a way they can grasp easily.

What if they disagree with your assessment of what is good? Doesn’t matter, because you are a man, and therefore right:

Who is to decide what is good and what is evil? Simple. You are. Some men might think it arrogant to anoint themselves as the final arbiter of all moral issues. Not true. As a man, nature equipped you to make decisions based on merit alone without respect to consensus. … You know right and wrong when you see it.

Are there any good women out there? Yes, Cooter Bee tells us. Indeed, there are several women who contribute to AVFM, so there’s them. Beyond that, Dr. Bee, tells us,

I am of the belief that most women are good, if somewhat misled. They only resist righteousness because they think that any behavior that the collective endorses IS righteous. The rare woman who is capable of moral judgment will select good herself and would not be on the receiving end of harsh moral criticism.

Then again, you still might have to yell at the good women from time to time. Really, it’s your duty – it’s for her own good.

Good women are human too. Even in the seldom occurring event of a temporary moral lapse by a decent woman, your diatribe will be no more severe than the one she administers to herself. Would you do less in the case of a man whose judgment falters?

Thank you, Cooter Bee, for your insights!

I had no idea that going around telling women that they’re sluts was a form of human rights advocacy, but apparently it is. The next time I see a woman standing on the streetcorner trying to get me to sign a petition for Amnesty International, I will simply tell her what a dirty whore she is. I will accomplish more with these words than she will in a day of collecting signatures and donations!

NOTE: Since you bring it up all the time, fellas, you might try to remember that the name of the show is Sex AND the City. Also, it ceased production eight years ago.

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Shaenon
12 years ago

Slut-shaming is wrong because there’s no reason you should feel bad about having sex. You should, however, feel bad about acting like a creep. Knock that shit off.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
12 years ago

@Xanthe:

There’s only one lesson I’ve learned from that blog post.

It seems that Brandon is Polly-O! XD

But seriously… wouldn’t it be amazing if that was our B_____n?

Xanthë
12 years ago

kirby, I’d be very surprised if Wally was ‘our’ B_____n, but yeah… that thread was updated seventeen (17) times, as the sockpuppet collective gradually collapsed. Epic.

CassandraSays
12 years ago

Hey, I thought Sergei looked rather fetching.

CassandraSays
12 years ago

BTW, confirmation that the new Jez troll is MRAL! He broke his cover because he lost his temper.

“Um, no. Since you’re not a man I don’t know why you think you can talk about this subject, but I will- creepy can and is used as a bullying slur ALL THE TIME, mostly by entitled women. And yes, it is often due to nothing more than unattractiveness or social awkwardness.

Seriously, how the hell would you know? You’re not only a woman, you’re a privileged prefect who has apparently dated like 80 supermodels in a row. You seriously presume to dictate to men their experiences? Wtf.”

CassandraSays
12 years ago

I would kind of like to know what he thinks “prefect” means.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
12 years ago

I’m totally going to believe that MRAs are just poor innocent men who have been unfairly labeled as “creeps”, especially after reading JtO’s fantastically shitty post last week in which he defended cat calls and other forms of public harassmentof women. Fucking creeps.

Quackers
Quackers
12 years ago

I was a Slytherin prefect up until graduation. It was originally going to be Draco but I called him a creep…it destroyed him so badly that he just couldn’t live up to his duties. True story.

CassandraSays
12 years ago

I can never figure out why being a school prefect is a sign of my evil feminazi ways. And then my love of linguistics kicks in and my brain connects to “prefecture” and I wonder why he’s calling me a district in Japan, and why I’m supposed to find this insulting. Can I be Shizuoka? Fantastic tea there, and also strawberries.

Quackers
Quackers
12 years ago

@Crumbelievable

his whole argument behind that was men are going to catcall so if women wear low cut tops or something its our own fault and we should take responsibility for it. Well by that logic I’m going to call men like him and others who catcall and harrass women creeps and if they don’t like it they should take responsibility for their creepy actions.

MRAs constantly remove personal responsibility from men, usually by evoking naturalistic fallacies. The irony is that if a man harasses a woman, he is making that choice and can choose not to do so. A woman in a mini skirt is not forcing that action out of him. They are pretty much making it sound like men have no control over themselves. It is pretty misandric.

Quackers
Quackers
12 years ago

@Cassandra

MRAL’s obsession with you is…dare I say it…creepy

dammit I want to go to Japan

Quackers
Quackers
12 years ago

I stand by my comments on another thread about this too, creepy is not a gendered slur against men. I just finished watching my guilty pleasure TV show (which shall not be named because I’m ashamed to like it) that main male character refereed to a female character as creepy.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
12 years ago

In one of this week’s Cracked articles, it mentions a man who chose to stay in jail for 14 years rather than pay alimony. The article mentions that the guy seemed to have more than enough money to pay her and was just being a dick, but this didn’t stop some MRA trolls from piping up

You’d think in this age of equality females wouldn’t need the support of their ex-husbands. Imprisoned for 14 years for not paying your ex-bitch money? That’s ludicrous. I guess b***h is a sexist term but really, they remain solely dependent on men and so it is a fair term.

Then another MRA pops by to call everyone who rightly thought this guy was an asshole “downvoting manginas”.

Then the OP shows his true colors.

Women don’t get paid less they just don’t have the intelligence to handle the higher paying jobs. You would probably get prison time for paying a woman less money for the same job in this day and age. Name me a single profession in which women are paid less than men. You can’t, because it doesn’t exist. I’d just rather women admitted they need men to look after them and can’t take care of themselves. Crime would plummet without all these single mothers thinking they’re enough to raise children. Instead we have all these laws to hide the fact that women are closer to children than to men in terms of rationality, logic, reasoning and intelligence.

CassandraSays
12 years ago

@ Quackers

I don’t get it. I am an olds, old enough to be his mother – why does he care who I was fucking when I was 19 and he was a zygote? Maybe something about me triggers memories of his mother scolding him when he was 3 or something.

Quackers
Quackers
12 years ago

Its always amusing to see them so valiantly insist that discrimination in the work force doesn’t exist while simultaneously saying women aren’t as smart and can’t handle higher paying jobs.

I recall reading that female doctors slightly outnumber male doctors these days, last time I checked you need to be intelligent to be a doctor. Also higher paying job doesn’t necessarily mean more intelligence needed.

http://spectrum.ieee.org/geek-life/profiles/marissa-mayer-googles-chic-geek/

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
12 years ago

@Quackers

Yeah, for all MRAs charge feminists of man-hating, they themselves have some pretty unflattering views of men, always talking about how men as a class are going to lash out with violence if things don’t go the MRM’s way.

CassandraSays
12 years ago

I don’t understand how “if we don’t get what we want we may lash out in violence” is supposed to coexist with “we are more intelligent and more rational, and less emotional”.

Quackers
Quackers
12 years ago

@Cassandra

I think it’s anger and bitterness because he perceives you as having a very successful dating life while his is not (based on what he’s said on Manboobz) the supermodel comment says it all.

Meanwhile he’s said Rihanna, Adele and Lady Gaga are not attractive in his eyes. His dating/sex life suck because he spends all his time trolling feminists sites the, has very high standards to dismiss those 3 women yet gets angry when other women date attractive people.

And he wonders why women aren’t lining up at his doorstep.

BTW I know you’re most likely reading this MRAL. Maybe if you’d stop trolling and go out and meet women at your college you wouldn’t be consumed with all this rage at people who’ve had more successful dating lives than you.

Quackers
Quackers
12 years ago

I fucking love sunflower seeds…

CassandraSays
12 years ago

I mean hey, I am kind of picky, but I wouldn’t kick Rihanna out of bed, you know? If you’re going to be that picky then you’re really in no position to complain about anyone else having preferences.

I wonder why he got tired of harrassing Ozy about hir love life, because zie certainly still seems to be having more luck than he is.

And yeah – there will never again be a time or place where it’s easier to meet potential partners than college. Stop trolling and take advantage of it, idiot!

Quackers
Quackers
12 years ago

I had one-itis in college over the guys I liked. Should have slutted it up instead since that’s what women do in college, or so MRAs would have me believe

Wetherby
Wetherby
12 years ago

I know you’re most likely reading this MRAL. Maybe if you’d stop trolling and go out and meet women at your college you wouldn’t be consumed with all this rage at people who’ve had more successful dating lives than you.

I really truly don’t understand this about MRAL. He’s a pretty decent writer when he’s sufficiently motivated and he’s often genuinely witty, two things that in my own experience have been superb ice-breakers when meeting women online – which is how I’ve met the overwhelming majority of my closest female friends over the last 10-15 years, including my wife.

It’s also pretty clear to me that what he regards as hideous physical deformities (height, eye) are the kind of things that most people would neither notice nor care about. So far from being any kind of downtrodden victim, he’s actually got several pretty massive advantages when it comes to dating potential.

But his attitude towards women absolutely reeks – and his obsessive trolling of feminist sites can’t be helping, because if you deliberately engineer situations that are likely to end up causing large numbers of women to insult and belittle you, you’re trapped in a vicious circle that’s entirely of your own making.

I really don’t understand it at all.

CassandraSays
12 years ago

Fear of success? A secret kink for being verbally abused? I dunno. He’s mystery wrapped inside an enigma, but unfortunately the enigma is composed of anger and profanity.

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