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Calling women names = human rights advocacy: A visit to A Voice for Men.

So the other day I was perusing the front page of the angry dude blog – sorry, “human rights organization” – A Voice for Men, looking for something inspiring to read. My eyes hit on a promo for a recent AVFM radio show. It was on the topic of feminism, and, apparently, women in general:

Flatworms, eh? You know, those “relatively simple bilaterian, unsegmented, soft-bodied invertebrate animals” without brains, with primitive eye spots that allow them to sense light?

As you know, human rights organizations are widely known for comparing large categories of humanity to primitive worms.

I am reminded of the inspiring words of Martin Luther King:

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. And by the fact that they’re not slimy, dirt-eating worms, like all those damn white kids.

This is, of course, from King’s famous “I had a dream – a really weird dream, where all the white people were worms” speech.

Oh, perhaps JohnTheOther and GirlWritesWhat have some highly clever explanation for that whole “flatworm” thing, but in order to find out I would have to listen to their “radio” show. But life is short, it is a lovely, if a bit chilly, Saturday in April, and I would rather have ferrets chew the flesh off my bones while I am still alive than listen to an hour or more of those two, so I guess I will never know.

But no matter, because there was another post on A Voice for Men that caught my eye:

Yes, I said to myself, I will have to find out what Cooter Bee thinks about the differences between intellect and emotionalism. In the course of my day to day life, I often find myself pondering the deeper philosophical questions of human existence, and when I do, I always wonder: What does Cooter Bee think of that? It is rare that I actually get to learn what Cooter Bee thinks on a particular matter of philosophical import. So naturally I clicked on the link.

Here’s what I learned from the esteemed Professor Cooter Bee:

Endless citation, refutation of fallacy and Socratic pursuit of truth are the tools of reason. Men tend to understand them. Women, generally speaking, don’t because indignation, outrage and gut level distaste are rooted in emotionalism. Women do understand base emotionalism and do respond to it in a more predictable way than they could ever respond to reason. They are also more likely to respond appropriately because the message is more clearly understood. Emotionalism is their language.

So, really, there’s no point in actually arguing anything with those flighty ladies.

No need to waste words or knock yourself out reasoning with feminists or even your wife, for that matter, when a short and visceral pronouncement from on high will do and is more effective.

For example, you can just call them sluts:

Sluts are against slut shaming because sluttiness is, indeed, shameful. Say so. Your position would be unassailable because they too believe it. They invoke moral relativism and slut pride marches as a means to escape the inescapable.

Actually, it’s better if you call the ladies sluts over and over and over again:

Slut Walks, “Sex in the City” and the self esteem cult are all attempts to reassure women that even when they behave abominably that the bad behavior has the sanction of the collective and they face no risk of expulsion if they engage in it. To modify the behavior of women, reimpose that risk. The good news is that it can be done in relatively short order. … A stark and unvarnished remonstration from someone in closer proximity will undo the propaganda swiftly. Declarations of “that is disgusting” accumulate. Hearing it once may not overcome Cosmo and she can dismiss it as an isolated raving of a lunatic. If she were to hear it more often, however, she begins to doubt herself and wonder about her status within her more immediate collective.

You can also modify chick behavior by praising them when they act the way you like them to. It’s really quite simple:

Chick language provides us with a construct that we can use. To women something is “nice” or it is “mean”. They use that simple, emotionally based dichotomy because that is what chicks understand. They use it with us and they use it with each other. That is how they evaluate the world. Use it. …

Most women want to be good so tell them what good is in a way they can grasp easily.

What if they disagree with your assessment of what is good? Doesn’t matter, because you are a man, and therefore right:

Who is to decide what is good and what is evil? Simple. You are. Some men might think it arrogant to anoint themselves as the final arbiter of all moral issues. Not true. As a man, nature equipped you to make decisions based on merit alone without respect to consensus. … You know right and wrong when you see it.

Are there any good women out there? Yes, Cooter Bee tells us. Indeed, there are several women who contribute to AVFM, so there’s them. Beyond that, Dr. Bee, tells us,

I am of the belief that most women are good, if somewhat misled. They only resist righteousness because they think that any behavior that the collective endorses IS righteous. The rare woman who is capable of moral judgment will select good herself and would not be on the receiving end of harsh moral criticism.

Then again, you still might have to yell at the good women from time to time. Really, it’s your duty – it’s for her own good.

Good women are human too. Even in the seldom occurring event of a temporary moral lapse by a decent woman, your diatribe will be no more severe than the one she administers to herself. Would you do less in the case of a man whose judgment falters?

Thank you, Cooter Bee, for your insights!

I had no idea that going around telling women that they’re sluts was a form of human rights advocacy, but apparently it is. The next time I see a woman standing on the streetcorner trying to get me to sign a petition for Amnesty International, I will simply tell her what a dirty whore she is. I will accomplish more with these words than she will in a day of collecting signatures and donations!

NOTE: Since you bring it up all the time, fellas, you might try to remember that the name of the show is Sex AND the City. Also, it ceased production eight years ago.

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Snowy
Snowy
12 years ago

Cassandra, yeah Maya Lovelace and Boggi are the same person.

jumbofish
12 years ago

Oh, that’s who Maya is? Boggi?

Yes, though he will deny it.

this might help explain it: http://manboobz.forummotion.com/t872-girlwriteswhat-on-freedomain-radio

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

After Elevatorgate I think it’s pretty well established that atheists can be really sexist.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

@ Jumbo & Snowy – Thanks!

Holly Pervocracy
12 years ago

Blargh, I over-ranted, I’m sorry.

Indifferentsky’s comment touched a nerve because I just had a commenter on my blog arguing that homophobia was entirely about religion and once we get rid of religion we’ll have no more homophobia. And I realize that’s not what indifferentsky actually said, I was just in the headspace of “oh god, stop claiming social justice is really all about your pet cause.”

jumbofish
12 years ago

tl;dr
boggi and maya talk the same act the same and have the same ip. He refused to acknowledge or explain himself on the forum though. I can only guess he decided to sock after not getting the reception he wanted here.

Rutee Katreya
12 years ago

After Elevatorgate I think it’s pretty well established that atheists can be really sexist.

It was established way before then, believe you me.

Yes, though he will deny it.

Which is weird, given the lack of proxies.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

Wow, that conversation.

“And be less compromising in general.”

I thought I’d heard pretty much every dumb stereotype about feminists, but “too prone to compromise” is a new one.

Rutee Katreya
12 years ago

I’m inclined to agree with that one, actually, because after some experience I find it’s true of most social justice movements, if not all of them. That’s why I identify as a ‘radical’ feminist (Which is not really ideal either because ‘radical feminists’ as a whole tend towards gender essentialism, cis-sexism, etc)

Lady Zombie
Lady Zombie
12 years ago

@Holly. I’m an atheist and you’re right, most of them are quick to jump on the Bash A Religious Person bandwagon while ignoring all the little piles of poop in our own backyard. Misogyny and the overall general sexism. As a female atheist, I am up to my teeth in Evo-Psych bullshit. I want to scream “HEY FUCKTARDS, EVO-PSYCH IS CRAP SCIENCE, YOU ASSHATS!”

Oh no, we’re not bigots. We’re enlightened.

Oh yeah? Well, you’re misogynistic as hell for starters.

How dare you call us misogynists, you cunt!

Same ol’ same ol’.

And I am so sick of anybody calling someone else illogical if that person simply does not agree with them. It’s a double whammy if you’re a woman because then they throw the ’emotionality’ bit at you.

Then we get the hand-wringing “how come there aren’t more female atheists that want to hang around us?” shit. But only if they’re hot. Amirite fellas?

The entire world is full of asshats. They just seem to congregate in the MRM and New Atheist movements.

jumbofish
12 years ago

Wow, that conversation.

“And be less compromising in general.”

I thought I’d heard pretty much every dumb stereotype about feminists, but “too prone to compromise” is a new one.

I like his solution that feminists can be most effect through…fighting trolls on youtube.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

The idea that feminism is especially prone to compromise, though? That’s kind of silly, and seems to be mostly based on his annoyance that feminists in general don’t agree with his insistence that the best way to practise feminism is to argue with MRAs on YouTube.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

Ninja jumbo strikes again.

Noadi
12 years ago

I think this derail has missed something. The MRM IS like a lot of religious nuts. They believe that they are right and no amount of facts or arguments to the contrary or just the way the real world works is going to convince them otherwise. They may not all be religious nuts (it certainly isn’t a requirement for misogyny) but they share a lot of the same behaviors.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
12 years ago

Lauren, I too was amazed that they were able to get the eminent philosopher Cooter Bee to write for them.

I expect nothing but the highest level of intellectual discourse on gender studies from a guy named Cooter Bee.

Kendra, the bionic mommy
Kendra, the bionic mommy
12 years ago

Ha ha, I think it’s hilarious that MRA’s are still whining about the show Sex and the City. It must be like kryptonite for them. Oh no, MRA’s shield your eyes from the single women in Manhattan that like expensive shoes!

Lady Zombie
Lady Zombie
12 years ago

Actually, the MRAs love Sex and the City because it reaffirms all their beloved stereotypes of women. I bet they’ve seen every single episode. Three times.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
12 years ago

This is, of course, from King’s famous “I had a dream – a really weird dream, where all the white people were worms” speech.

Oh yes, that was the stirrring follow-up to his “Let’s Fuck Some Shit Up” speech.

I seriously don’t know what kind of mental gymnastics these guys must undertake to convince themselves that they’re fighting on the good side.

BlackBloc
BlackBloc
12 years ago

>>>MRA’s are still whining about the show Sex and the City. It must be like kryptonite for them.

Pretty sure their Kryptonite is the L Word, actually. An entire show with almost only women who have absolutely no need for men in their lives.

Holly Pervocracy
12 years ago

I only ever saw part of one episode of Sex and the City. It had a female character trying to hang up some curtains in her implausibly amazing New York apartment but she was failing really pathetically so she had to call a man.

I realize maybe that’s characterization for a specific character or whatever? But at the time I stopped watching out of feminist outrage at a show that thinks women haven’t mastered the concept of stepladders.

Maya Lovelace
Maya Lovelace
12 years ago

An entire show with almost only women who have absolutely no need for men in their lives.

MISANDRY!

Snowy
Snowy
12 years ago

Thanks Boggi/Maya