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Vaginamoney is the root of all evil

Women receive regular vaginamoney checks from the government.

Is it wrong that I love the perpetually incoherent Christian J. – the self-proclaimed Male Renaissance Agitator behind What Men Are Saying About Women – as much as I do? If it’s wrong, I don’t want him to be right! Fortunately, he’s never right about anything.

Here, to celebrate today not being tax day, are some tasty quotes from some of his most recent posts. (He really churns those suckers out.)

Vaginamoney is the root of all evil:

You have to wonder how the opposite sex can easily make the claim about how “Strong” and “Independent” they are when in actual fact the majority of those making that claim are either receiving child support, vaginamoney as well as copious handouts from the state, their very own standby sugar daddy is on call 24/7. One who has been trained to behave like a defacto ATM, specifically trained to drip feed cash when required, without asking too many inappropriate questions and to hide when anyone or anything approaches..

Come on and take a free orifice ride:

[W]hat do women actually bring to the table besides their genitals and reproductive ability. Why do they now increase and expand their value as human being rather than relying on the state for enforcement of their will and they free ride their orifice affords them..

(That one was so incoherent, even by Christian J. standards, that I’m thinking there must be a typo in there somewhere. Maybe “now” should be “not?” Obviously the “they” near the end should be a “the.”)

Inglorious Slut Basterds:

[W]hile the slut feminist hoards continue with their manufactured bastardry, the response will be tailored to nullify it..

Too many slut feminists spoil the broth:

How many times have you heard those slut feminists and their cowtowing (sic) white knights and manginas claim that all the MM and men in general want to do is put women back into the kitchen. …

 They make that claim whenever any mention is made regarding all those anti male laws and sexist actions that governments have introduced to nobble men, take away our fundamental human rights and turn us into third class citizens, whose sole activity is to be forced to act subserviently, like a slave, to the opposite sex. …

Now just think for a moment about the fact that women can’t even cook anymore, they are totally useless in the kitchen … They have problems even making a sandwich, even that task is beyond their capability, a proven inability. So why would any man want to “Put women back into the kitchen”, it just doesn’t make any sense. It’s just stupid..

“Nobble?”

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CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

I’m a sparkly unicorn with stripes, and a private jet.

Eurosabra
Eurosabra
8 years ago

Not necessarily, there are those who want to flirt and then “…end scene” just as when the flirting is not specifically part of a scene. Also, dudes are technically customers a lot of the time and they can be tossed out for a violation of codes of conduct.

I also have the problem that I only know about my own motivations and actions, so I have no idea if there’s a non-consensual torture dungeon in the basement at the Project Hollywood Mansion. I can only say that there were no signs of violence on the women who kept returning to various PUA events in the public areas and they seemed happy with the experience.

Eurosabra
Eurosabra
8 years ago

Doesn’t the horn get in the way a bit when you have to, god forbid, bag someone? And with hooves, already?

Holly Pervocracy
8 years ago

My boyfriend and I might make a trip to DC this summer so then there will be even MORE sex in DC!

Truly an unbelievable achievement.

…Wait, no, nevermind, we’re in our late twenties and neither of us is a model, it totally isn’t real sex.

Rutee Katreya
8 years ago

I thought you were tired of tossing pearls before swine, Eurosabra? Why did you come back when nobody believes you?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Notice that he didn’t say anything about the unicorn-like story in which he teaches his eager disciples to get meta-consent by asking women for their permission to PUA them.

Whatever happened to that “you are a sad strange little man” clip?

lowquacks
8 years ago

Does this mean that OzyMRAndias has been nonconsensually engaged in kink play with us the whole time? Not cool.

Anyway, while we’re on it, the “models” thing is interesting. Disregarding that type of model is nearly always left out – fashion models won’t necessarily look much like glamour models won’t necessarily look much like life models won’t necessarily look much like hand models – it doesn’t really tie into the assumed Things Every Real Man Wants From A Woman. Fashion models seem to be what people mean when they say “models”, and, as we’ve pointed out, they look much like any other people – they’re prettier, and will tend to have nicer clearer skin and lower bodyfat, but the one thing you’re guaranteed to see is tall people. I’m sure lots of people love height on its own, but the PUA thing doesn’t buy into “hey, maybe attraction is individual” too much. Actually, isn’t the woman being taller some sort of abomination in PUA biotruth hegemony whatever? I know they think all sorts of odd things about short dudes.

I get that it comes mostly from the same quirk that the HB system does, where it’s not about what everyone involves thinks would be awesome but about winning the high-quality FEEEMALES to brag about, and hey, models are verifiably good-looking. I get it. But the level of correlation between appearance features of models and of “hot babes” as imagined by the PUA orthodoxy isn’t quite as great as a lot of these people imagine.

I mean, if what was meant was “fashion models”, and that seems to me to be what’s usually assumed when talking about women models without reference to type, Scarlett Johansson – barely model-like at all! Does fit the mainstream idea of what’s hot, though (and the lowquacks idea, mind).

Also, why the freaking nightclub obsession? If you don’t like them or have something against the women at them, don’t go to them. I’m not too much of a nightclub person myself, and I solve this by not going to nightclubs. Seems the easiest option to me.

Also no. 2 (alsoalso): Occupations no-one anyone in the MRM seems to have actually met an example of, ever:

-professional athletes (esp. in stereotypically “black” sports)
-social-science academics
-drug dealers
-sex workers
-models
-lawyers

How can you get to be an adult without having met at least one of those? The mind boggles.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

That’s a good point, actually. One of the models who I went to school with (the less successful one) was taller than most men by the time she was 13. I can’t see most of these dudes not feeling threatened by that.

Rutee Katreya
8 years ago

Whatever happened to that “you are a sad strange little man” clip?

Rutee Katreya
8 years ago

Wait, that’s not right, I always do that.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Thank you!

Polliwog
Polliwog
8 years ago

Also no. 2 (alsoalso): Occupations no-one anyone in the MRM seems to have actually met an example of, ever:

-professional athletes (esp. in stereotypically “black” sports)
-social-science academics
-drug dealers
-sex workers
-models
-lawyers

How can you get to be an adult without having met at least one of those? The mind boggles.

I dunno…I’m well into adulthood and while I know a huge number of lawyers and social science academics, I come up pretty short on the other professions. I can maybe squeak by on three of them (in ways like “handing the famous former baseball player back his wallet when he dropped it totally counts as ‘meeting’ him, right?”), but I unambiguously have nothing at all on “drug dealer.” I mean, I’m sure I probably have met some, but they didn’t tell me they were drug dealers, so that’s not particularly helpful. I don’t honestly think that’s incredibly unusual among people who were never into drugs – am I wrong there?

(That said, even not having a wealth of experience with models/sex workers/athletes/drug dealers, I know more than enough to know that the way MRAs describe them is pretty freaking dumb, to be clear.)

Polliwog
Polliwog
8 years ago

Oops, I screwed up my email address when posting my last comment. Let me repost it without the moderation-inducing typo:

Also no. 2 (alsoalso): Occupations no-one anyone in the MRM seems to have actually met an example of, ever:

-professional athletes (esp. in stereotypically “black” sports)
-social-science academics
-drug dealers
-sex workers
-models
-lawyers

How can you get to be an adult without having met at least one of those? The mind boggles.

I dunno…I’m well into adulthood and while I know a huge number of lawyers and social science academics, I come up pretty short on the other professions. I can maybe squeak by on three of them (in ways like “handing the famous former baseball player back his wallet when he dropped it totally counts as ‘meeting’ him, right?”), but I unambiguously have nothing at all on “drug dealer.” I mean, I’m sure I probably have met some, but they didn’t tell me they were drug dealers, so that’s not particularly helpful. I don’t honestly think that’s incredibly unusual among people who were never into drugs – am I wrong there?

(That said, even not having a wealth of experience with models/sex workers/athletes/drug dealers, I know more than enough to know that the way MRAs describe them is pretty freaking dumb, to be clear.)

Magpie
8 years ago

Never met anyone with those occupations, either. Or if I have, they didn’t mention their job 🙂

lowquacks
8 years ago

@Polliwog
@Magpie

Aah. Perhaps I’m universalising my own experiences a little. I don’t think knowing professional athletes is common, nor the type of academics who get characterised as either anti-PC heroes in evopsych or the type that get tarred as liberalist harpies/manginas, unless you’re in one of those fields. Sex workers in the US are, by nature, more likely to keep it private than here in Australia, (I actually forgot it was mostly illegal in the USA… sorry about that little bit) but I assumed that models, lawyers, and drug dealers would be well-represented enough among “people lots of people interact with” in that most people involved in business have probably dealt with lawyers in at least a professional context at least once (is this true? It sounds right. Perhaps I’m as guilty of assumption as the people I’m talking about.). Models and drug dealers (using the classic strawman “evil thuggish drug dealer FEMALES like instead of nice men, those BITCHES” model, it’s pretty safe to say people who largely sell weed but sell a decent amount still count) do a fair amount of self-promotion and will necessarily have to be fairly friendly people unless they’re really good at what they do, so I thought meeting them would be inevitable enough.

Anyway, I don’t actually think anyone need sto have met members of these occupations to see that most MRM depictions of them are flat-out bullshit, but having met any one of them would surely do it.

Personal disclaimer bit: I’ve never known or worked with any professional athletes, and never had any particularly involved conversation with any sex workers – I’ve heard them make speeches, and made small talk whilst dumpster-diving behind a brothel once, but that’s it.

lowquacks
8 years ago

In my defence to at least Polliwog, I diiiiid say “at least one”.

pecunium
pecunium
8 years ago

I’m still not clear on the consent.

PUA is based on taking advantage of women’s ignorance of the techniques. It’s designed to overcome her lack of interest/consent.

“Hey, I’d like to mildy insult you, and isolate you from your friends to make you feel insecure so I can offer you the chance to restore your self-esteem by sleeping with me. Then I might leave and pretend I don’t know you.”

“How does that sound to you?”

I can see that working.

pecunium
pecunium
8 years ago

I’m pretty sure most people haven’t met/worked with any pro-athletes (though more have than they probably think).

I’ve actually met/worked with all of those categories, but it seems I am less typical in a lot of ways than I like to think.

Which is strange. All I did was live a quiet normal life.

MollyRen (@MollyRen)
8 years ago

All I did was live a quiet normal life.

Uh-huh. Keep telling yourself that, Pecunium! 😉

ozymandias42
8 years ago

I’ve met a professional athlete (before he was professional, though), a couple drug dealers, a model, several lawyers, and a social science academic. No sex workers afaik, but it’s possible they were in the closet.

…Is that really that exceptional?

The pro athlete I met was kind of a douchebag but not exceptionally so, one drug dealer was really nice and charming but prone to “so I’m going to sell my possessions to buy cocaine!” bad decisions and the other was a Trekkie who was excessively good at waving glowsticks around, the model was a kind radical feminist who looked nothing like her pictures, the lawyers have universally been rich asshats (except for the one who quit to do web design, who seemed nice enough although I don’t know him well), and the sociology academics tend to be socialist and politically active.

MollyRen (@MollyRen)
8 years ago

I’ve met sex workers and academics. I suspect I’ve probably also met a fetish model or a 420 dealer, but it wasn’t really a topic of discussion.

Kyrie
Kyrie
8 years ago

I met a Turkish model, and a boat sailer who quit the same studies I’m doing to to boat races. And I’ve seen a lot of lawyers on TV 🙂

abeegoesbuzz
abeegoesbuzz
8 years ago

I’ve met a shit ton of lawyers, two professional bowlers, and a couple of people with licensed grow operations in their house. If we’re keeping score.

pecunium
pecunium
8 years ago

Molly: It seems like that to me. I mean, apart from the war (and it’s not as if I said.. Ooh… that sounds like a good idea, send me), all I did was sort of go with the flow.

It seems I chose a pretty interesting flow.

I’ve known world class fencers, met some Olympic shooters (back when I was doing competitive air rifle), an MMA competitor (one of my instructors in hand to hand combat in the Army), a former Dodger (he was friends of the folks who lived next door. He worked loss prevention at local supermarket).

When I was a studio projectionist I met a number of famous people, including a few models. I’ve been a model, so I suppose I could say I sleep with one all the time. 🙂

Drug dealers… more than a couple, most of them did it as a sort of hobby; but there were a few who were players in the Phoenix area, ca. 1984. Most of them are dead, or in prison; Snake got out of the business (went into event security).

Sex workers… I know a few call girls, some pro-doms, phone sex workers, etc.

Lawyers… too many to count.

Social science academics… again, more than I can count. I like school, I’ve been to lots. I’ve taken part in some research studies on interogation, and I’ve got an acquaintance (my cultural anthro prof) who did a paper on snipers.

If we’re keeping score.

MollyRen (@MollyRen)
8 years ago

Oh yeah, and a lawyer! I had a play partner that was a lawyer for a while.

@Pecunium: I guess if I really, really thought about it, I could make a list… but it wouldn’t be as *long* as yours. 😛 I always felt like I had to work for my adventures. Might just not be as social?

Wetherby
Wetherby
8 years ago

professional athletes (esp. in stereotypically “black” sports)
-social-science academics
-drug dealers
-sex workers
-models
-lawyers

I’m directly descended from a professional athlete (maternal grandfather) and lawyer (father), and my brother almost certainly qualifies as a social-science academic. I haven’t hung around drug dealers in years but I knew plenty during my dissolute twenties, and when I helped my parents move into their new house I met the daughter of the previous owner, a late teenage model described by Vogue as a “nascent style diva”. (She had a fascinatingly distinctive face, I recall: very angular, and I imagine extremely photogenic, but actually quite weird-looking in the flesh).

So that’s five out of six. I can’t think of any sex workers offhand, but I’m married to someone who’s seriously thinking of retraining as a psychosexual therapist – so does that count?

Holly Pervocracy
8 years ago

I’ve known several professional athletes, although all of them were white. :/
I’m taking a class from a social-science academic right now.
I’ve known many, many small-time pot dealers, and a few who sold harder drugs.
I’m pretty good friends with a sex worker, and through my blogging have met many more.
I once slept with a model! He actually wasn’t staggeringly attractive–I mean, cute enough, but he didn’t stop hearts from across the room. Mostly he was just very, very tall and thin.
My grandpa was a lawyer and my uncle is a lawyer, and I know many others.

But this is kind of a moot point, really. I’ve met people, I have some understanding that people are diverse and mostly rational and mostly well-intentioned, and I think that right there separates me from these guys much more than meeting some drug dealers ever would.

pecunium
pecunium
8 years ago

Molly: I don’t know. Most of it was just happenstance. People I knew, knew people.
Some of it was work related (I did journalism, and various things in Hollywood). Some it was that I was in places (theater) where some of those sorts hang out.

It really does seem like a quiet, normal, life, from the inside. Looking at it as bullet points, I have a different appreciation of some of the people (like Ted Sturgeon) who had really busy lives.

I suspect it was a lot like mine. Stuff happened, and what looked to be, “the thing” changed, or fell out from under them and so the résumé just kept getting longer.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

I played D&D with a sex worker. She was a great GM!

I know academics, have a mother of a friend who’s a lawyer (she deals with child abuse and custody… SHUDDER). Don’t know any pro athletes or dealers, though. I know a couple folks who did a little life-modeling; does that count as models? (Also considered doing it ourself–probably not that many life models with a double mastectomy and androgenized features from testosterone. So might be interesting for people to draw!)

red_locker
8 years ago

Gosh, reading all of this makes me realize how much of a hermit I am. I have got to find something on Meetup.com or something, ’cause I can’t just do message boards/Steam games and movies forever.

…I mean, I love message boards, games and movies, but it’s always cool to nerd out with someone in person.

Dracula
Dracula
8 years ago

Can’t say I’ve ever known any models, lawyers, sex workers or academics of any stripe, personally. My high school social studies teacher was an ex-footballer from Scotland, though I’m not clear on whether he played at the pro level or not. He was a good guy.

I’ve been friends with quite a few pot dealers. they were pretty decent folks, for the most part.

Magpie
8 years ago

I thought about it – I have met a lawyer once. but I was 37, so it still counts as reaching adulthood 🙂

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