Over on A Voice for Men, Paul Elam is knocking the clichés out of the park! In a post about … oh, something about feminists being about to get their big comeuppance, who the fuck cares, all his posts are pretty much the same at this point, he explains how the mean feminists’
gravy train is about to derail, and that right quickly. One set of wheels is already off the track. … the choo choo is hittin’ poo poo.
That’s right, the metaphorical feminist gravy train is metaphorically derailing into a metaphorical mountain of metaphorical poop.
After a few more paragraphs of this poopery, Elam offers up a bit of inspiration for his troops:
[T]he times they are a changing. The worm is turning and lies are burning. Their whole house of cards is about to go up in a puff. What you are seeing is just the desperation that comes with them waking up to it.
Believe me, it does my heart good. Just to see their frantic scrambling to point the finger at me and my brothers, while they comically pretend our sisters aren’t standing right next to us, every time one more their lies bites the dust, is an absolute highlight in my day.
Must be time to crank up the action around here.
And then he really kicks it into high gear:
Keep your eye on the ball, boys. Put the pedal to the metal. Wake up and smell the coffee, feminists, because the shoe is on the other foot now! We’re burning the candle at both ends — because when the going gets tough the tough get going. What goes around comes around. Feminists and manginas, you made your bed, now you’re going to have to lie in it. The tide’s beginning to turn, all you gender ideologues and your lackeys at the SPLC, and it looks like there’s a new sheriff in town! Remember, nice guys finish last. And it ain’t over till the fat lady sings!
Ok, that’s not really Elam any more. That’s just a bunch of random clichés borrowed from Steve’s Cliché List, with some references to feminists and manginas and the Southern Poverty Law Center shoved in here and there.
Huh. I think I just figured out how Elam writes his posts.
EDITED TO ADD: For whatever reason, this post is no longer up at AVFM; here’s the Google cache version. Read the comments there too; quite a little shitstorm going on there.
When you’re actually talking like a Republic serial villain, shouldn’t that be a huge tipoff that you’re not on the side of the good guys?
“People avoid feminism like the plague already due to decades of propaganda and misrepresentation.” and people avoid the mrm like the plague because… well, becuause few people acutally know what it is. Honestly, I believe most well adjusted people have no idea that there is a men’s rights movement, and if they did they would likely just laugh off. The thought that we men are somehow persecuted here in the U.S.(or other wester country) is downright laughable.
@Shaenon: That’s a classic.
I would suggest Elam take a creative writing course, but I worry that his stories about fucking feminists’ shit up would give him awkward tumescence in public. And nobody needs to see that.
Then again, maybe for him it would be like if Darth Vader suddenly realized “holy fuck, I’m wearing all black and building things with ‘death’ in the name, maybe something went really wrong in my life.”
Where are all the openly MRA public intellectuals, writers, novelists, professors or journalists who speak to people beyond their own circle? What about MRA artists, actors/actresses, musicians, etc.? Do they even come close to the numbers of the feminist equivalents who are pioneering ideas, influencing culture, building theory and achieving activism? And the Dilbert dude doesn’t count. A passing misogynist comment seemingly in favour of MRAs doesn’t equal a lifetime of writing/study/activism.
Considering it’s such a young movement, I’ve always been impressed how feminism has survived by actually being a viable intellectual challenge to society, attracting some of our best to engage with it. Until you get MRAs as public intellectuals writing in newspapers, refereed journals or books, or just doing more than just trolling feminist websites or stewing on their own sites’ forums, feminism will be rightfully ahead in the war of ideas.
“Where are all the openly MRA public intellectuals ..”
You mean me?
I’m not sure if that’s surprisingly self-aware humour or genuine delusion. Either way, it’s hilarious.
All that I can say to the Boob Futrelle is, “It ain’t over till it’s over”
Sir Bodesworth, please try to make sense. I spent all day upgrading my 44 foot pirate ship tree house, and now my brain hurts.
Tulgey Logger:
He did once, after mistaking a discussion about actual child porn for a discussion about child porn in cartoon form. As soon as he realized that his careless mistake meant that he appeared to be defending actual child rape he quickly backpedaled and apologized.
Of course, the apology was slightly undermined by the accompanying revelation that he thought that child porn in cartoon form was just fine and dandy because it’s “a victimless crime”…
Can you direct me to your most recent academically refereed article, or a third-party review for one of your most recent books? Alternatively, I’d be happy to read any of your intellectual circle’s sociological critiques of post-feminist Western culture in the Journal of MRA Studies – or an equivalent, if there ever existed one.
🙂
Dave- Talk about a lazy post. Picking out rhetorcal cliches while completely avoiding the substance of Elam’s arguement- this doesn’t put you in the best light.
Elam isn’t the best writer, but then he never claimed to be. His words are a means to an end, nothing more. How about you engage with the substance of his points? Of course then you’d lose.
Scott Adams actually told the MRAs that he found their movement to be pathetic and that they should stop whining, or something to that effect.
Antz: “Where are all the openly MRA public intellectuals ..”
You mean me?
On this does the victory of the MRM depend?
It’s too easy… If this were a serial, I’d be suspecting a trap. But it’s real life, and he’s serious. It’s Antz, and Fidelbogen.
Those are their “best and brightest”.
Good thing for them it’s not a head to head competition.
Maya: People avoid feminism like the plague already due to decades of propaganda and misrepresentation.
There is some pushpack.
Duke Students Explain why they need feminism
If you’re what passes for an MRA intellectual, AntZ, I’d say your movement is getting exactly what it deserves.
“.. revelation that he thought that child porn in cartoon form was just fine and dandy because it’s “a victimless crime ..”
I take it you agree with laws that prohibit “child” cartoon porn?
Oh man, the MRM is really in trouble if freaking Zarat, “divide the genders by the Mississippi”,” We need VR spouses for everyone”, “yay child porn”, is the leading intellectual light.
@AntZ,
I do. At least buying and distributing. I don’t care what you do in your own home. If you want to draw child porn cartoons in your house, you go right ahead, but as soon as you start selling and distributing it, that’s where I’m totally for laws against it. It contributes to a culture of normalization of such acts, and I can never, will never, support that.
Though despite that moment of clarity, he remains a ridiculous and misogynistic idiot.
lol When even misogynists think the MRM is idiotic, you know you’re in trouble.
As I remember, Antz support for the law was even stranger than that. He thought it was an attempt to make laws against virtual reality people, thus curbing his plans for a VR wife.
I have been lurking here long enough to know that the vast, vast majority of the views expressed by AntZ are pure and utter bullshit, but I have to say, I’m with him on this one. Any erotica that’s drawn, computer generated, written, or otherwise created — as opposed to filmed, photographed, or otherwise recorded — is inherently victimless. (Also, it’s not necessarily a crime, although due to the inherent screwiness of US obscenity laws, there’s no actual way to know before the jury pronounces a verdict.) I abhor non-simulated child pornography — pornography made by recording the molestation of actual children — as much as the next ethically functional human being. However, I’ll damn well defend anybody’s right to look at whatever drawn, written, or computer generated erotica they please, even if it involves drawn, written, or computer generated “children.”
While I do agree that it’s inherently victimless, I’d need to read some studies on the effects of using CG/drawn child erotica before I can say it’s harmful/harmless/beneficial.
There was a case in Sweden recently where a guy got convicted for owning child porn, since he had tons of manga comics. Some of them featured girls that “looked underage” in erotic situations. The problem is, the way manga is drawn, all females “look underage”. They have giant eyes, childish faces etc. If I recall correctly their boob size was mentioned as an argument in the ruling of the court… their boobs were too small for them to appear adult.
You see the problem here? Real people are either underaged or not. Made-up people don’t necessarily have a determinate age. Hanna Fridén, a well-known Swedish feminist, blogger and artist, commented the case I describe above by drawing a manga-style cartoon of a man spanking a half-dressed girl/woman in school uniform, while she goes “Oh headmaster!”. Hanna wrote under the drawing: “This picture shows two 25-year-olds who like kinky role-playing. Therefore, the drawing is legal. If instead I had written that the pictured showed a 14-year-old girl getting spanked on her bare arse by her actual headmaster, it would have been illegal child-porn.” That pretty much nails the problem.
One has to wonder about the tendency of intentionally making them look like children in the first place, especially considering the abundant manga and anime where the adult characters do not look like children.