Love is in the air! On The Spearhead, WF Price has penned a piece with the intriguing title: “What’s Wrong with Wanting to be Loved?” To that I would answer: nothing.
Let’s see what lovely sorts of things Price has to say about the subject:
[S]till we have people whining about “misogyny.” Young feminists whose most important concern is the ability to have sex entirely free of consequences, and who shamelessly raise their voices for the right to kill their children in the womb. Lesbian gender feminists who wreck families for profit and sex. Male feminists who boast about fathering children and shuffling their responsibilities onto some duped cuckold, and who malign their fellow men for a crack at college girls.
Huh. Not sure how exactly this bit of nastiness is supposed to advance the cause of love.
(Also, I think that last bit – the line about those “who malign their fellow men for a crack at college girls” – is supposed to be a reference to … me, and the talk I gave on Monday at Northwestern, to which he has added his own little fantasies, like he did in his original, highly fictionalized, post on the subject. The man is obsessed.)
In the comments, Spearhead readers offered their own thoughts on the topic of love.
Revver started things off with this lovely thought:
Having seen and heard a great majority of women, being “unloved” becomes lighter and lighter a burden with each passing year.
How easily they make themselves look like fools.
Opus spat forth an opus; here’s an edited version:
Women judge men by pre-selection.
If you have been dumped, then a member of Team Vagina has deemed you unworthy, so as in Snakes and Ladders you start from the bottom again. There is simply no point seeking female solace, because the woman will see that you do not seek her, and thus, offended, accuse you of unsolicited attention, or alternatively act offended that you are not interested in her. (I speak from experience). …
Women as we know are programmed to get over even the worst relationship in no more than three months, whereas for a man (even when in hindsight it was Xmas come early) we are often talking decades, for to be ditched is to take away all that it means to be a man (provider, nurturer). … Now, why am I betting that Futrelle did not mention these things last night – and why am I also betting he has not got one single phone number from any female at Northwestern Univeristy?
(You guys are really are obsessed. Aren’t you supposed to mention my weight as well?)
Greyghost managed to work the phrase “gina tingle” into his ramblings:
Men actually have the capacity to love. Only a man can write an article like that. Women just don’t have the capacity to love. Women gina tingle. …
The big lie was and is that a woman can love. Romance is what men do women receive it. …
The MRM with women on board on not will never ever change the nature of women. No matter how much awareness of the pain men and even children are in, women will vote and demand what is in therir childish perception of their interest. ( It will always be uninhibitted status and hypergamy)
In a later comment, he added these creepy afterthoughts:
Women do not and can not love the way you do and can. The best a man can get is some good emotional gina tingle. Never ever forget it. It can be a very emotionally pleasing and soothing time for a man but a man can never forget he is a man and right or wrong is a keeper of civilization.
The emotional trauma brought down on men when the realization of the lie hits [is] off the charts. It is where murders and suicides come from.
Georice81 offered up a rather elaborate excuse for slut-shaming:
My observation is that when women have been sexually promiscous their ability to submit and be very loyal to a single man is very diminished. … They can’t respect that one man that may actually love them since they are contemptous of a man that could love someone like them. Men in the 1950′s understood this and would not marry someone who was not a virgin since they did not trust those that were not.
We men can love and want to love. We also have a huge capacity to forgive. Modern western woman don’t seem to comprehend this because of their own hangups.
Binxton, for his part, seemed to be posting from an internet café on Gor:
Women are by nature emotional, self-centered creatures. Absent controls on their behavior, they lack both morals and objective principles. They are too easily manipulated by their environment to allow them to be free.
Ultimately, female emotional nature requires men to control women.
Women will love when they endure hardship and respect higher authority, i.e., patriarchy.
Western women must acknowledge a male-centered world where they can enjoy the labors of man only if, and when, they show due deference to male authority. Those who fail to do so must be disciplined and punished as examples.
Joe set forth some similarly, er, traditional notions:
Women are capable of love but there’s a reason St. Paul tells wives to “fear” their husbands. Because women are just much more like children in their moral reasoning and in their emotional “resilience” (or capacity for cruelty). So for a woman to love a husband is much like a child’s love for his parents. It is a love that is requires her to be in a dependent position. This is why marriage in a feminist society of independent and irreligious (I don’t mean women without superstition, but women without fear of moral judgment) women, cannot work.
I think I’ve had enough of The Spearhead’s notions of love. Let’s try ten hours of Haddaway instead:
Found it! The original article was this, on the Boston Daily website, and the response on ManBoobz here. (The second link goes to the first page of comments; the Scooby Doo/Saurons Lens/Mr Al meltdown occurs on page 2.)
The reaction of an MRA troll being told off.
Thanks, jumbofish and Xanthe! *off to catch up on MRAL drama*
kirbywarp – a sarcasm font would lower internet misunderstanding IMNSHO. 🙂
Quackers – of course, women are taught not to do that around men. It’s the flip side of the coin that we’re taught it’s totally normal to talk about women that way (for anyone) and to make judgments but that women must not talk about men that way in front of them, only in secret with other women. There may have even been a “Sex and the City” episode about this, but the show definitely emphasized “this kind of talk is for your girlfriends only.” I don’t advocate turning the tables either, as I agree it wouldn’t actually make things better, but just this semester I put a class into a situation where that kind of naked (heh) evaluation of men was happening and it freaked everyone out, guys and girls. Got the point across though! *evil laugh*
D’oh. This, on the Boston Daily website…
Where’s a preview or edit button when you need one?!
Also, the Feministing thread. o_O
Bwahahahaha!
And of course in feministe there was a ” men think that’s the highest compliment because wed love to be looked at that way!”
Well, my experience …no. No you wouldn’t doodz. I’ve given a few men a taste of their own medicine a few times and they never find it complimentary. Gee I don’t know why… Hell, half of them can’t take a good leer.
𝓭𝓻𝓼𝓽, 𝔀𝓸𝓾𝓵𝓭 𝓽𝓱𝓲𝓼 𝔀𝓸𝓻𝓴 𝓪𝓼 𝓪 𝓼𝓪𝓻𝓬𝓪𝓼𝓶 𝓯𝓸𝓷𝓽 𝓭𝓸 𝔂𝓸𝓾 𝓽𝓱𝓲𝓷𝓴?
“Hell, half of them can’t take a good leer.”
Just pretend like you don’t notice. Works for me.
Mags, I can ignore the occassional idiot. But I’ve worked in environments where leers, ass pinching, groping and outright sex fantasies were lovingly detailed to me day in and day out for eight hours a day. Since I was the only woman about, I solved thre problem my own way and the men who were prone to those behaviors got the point.
What ever happened to the scarcrow guy?
75 minutes of “What is Love?”
and it’s still not enough.
I may listen to this whole thing.
(76)
Xanthe, I don’t speak box. Translation?
I’m sure someone has already said this, but doesn’t the ‘women aren’t capable of love’ argument contradict the ‘women are emotional and irrational and can’t be trusted and shouldn’t work or vote because they’re emotional and obsessed with feelings’ argument that is often used? And doesn’t the ‘only men are capable of love and hold emotional scars for years’ argument contradict the ‘men are programmed to want to fuck every 16-22 year old woman they see and then move on to the next one’ argument?
p’bee, don’t count on these guys to be able to make valid arguments any time soon.
@xanthe/katz It seems you can use other fonts in Wpress but it depends on every viewer at the other end having those fonts installed, or else they get the BOXES OF DEATH. I run into this problem alot with Ethiopic magic scrolls (learn how to fly!!!) and Inuktitut AIDS posters. You can fix it on your computer but not on everyone else’s computer, unless you can push the fonts out to them. 🙁
@p’bee: It looks to me like they’re trying to divide it into “women have superficial emotions they switch like masks”, vs. “only men are capable of profound, selfless passion.”
Or: “our emotions are better than yours.”
It’s sad to see how obvious it is that some of these guys have been deeply hurt in past relationships, and now have gone of the deep end.
p.s. for those who couldn’t read Xanthe’s post, it was in another font (which you may not have installed, in which case you saw boxes) and said:
There should be a universal font library that anyone could link to, but since people assert rights over their fonts I don’t think this can work in our current environment.
It was an experiment: I’ve got a nice Greasemonkey script for Firefox which converts text into some of the additional alphabets that are encoded into Unicode. Here’s the same text:
Fraktur: 𝔡𝔯𝔰𝔱, 𝔴𝔬𝔲𝔩𝔡 𝔱𝔥𝔦𝔰 𝔴𝔬𝔯𝔨 𝔞𝔰 𝔞 𝔰𝔞𝔯𝔠𝔞𝔰𝔪 𝔣𝔬𝔫𝔱 𝔡𝔬 𝔶𝔬𝔲 𝔱𝔥𝔦𝔫𝔨?
Blackboard: 𝕕𝕣𝕤𝕥, 𝕨𝕠𝕦𝕝𝕕 𝕥𝕙𝕚𝕤 𝕨𝕠𝕣𝕜 𝕒𝕤 𝕒 𝕤𝕒𝕣𝕔𝕒𝕤𝕞 𝕗𝕠𝕟𝕥 𝕕𝕠 𝕪𝕠𝕦 𝕥𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕜?
Of course, those of you who couldn’t see the first message, probably won’t be able to read either of these. cloudiah gave a correct quotation of it just above.
@soren
I don’t think it’s sad at all. Everyone has been hurt in relationships before and don’t go off the deep end like MRAs do. They just think they’re special little snowflakes because they’re entitled pricks. If a person has a bad experience with a minority does that give them the right to paint all minorities as evil and join stormfront? no it doesn’t. But that’s basically what MRAs do. They have a bad experience with women and join the a male supremacist site like the spearhead. Where its regularly discussed on there how women are useless and should have no rights. My theory on these types of guys is they didn’t think that highly of women to begin with. The excuse that they are lonely or have been hurt in the past is just that, an excuse.
Apologies if this came of a bit terse. I just think that this lonely or previous hurt excuse lets them off the hook to easily. People who have been hurt don’t generally call for the subordination of the entire group the person they have been hurt by belonged to (be it race/sex/sexual preference )
It’s definitely “our” B_____don – the style and preoccupations are identical, right down to starting sentences with “Ya”, which for some reason always got me irrationally wound up.
(Note to David – I’m not a sockpuppet, but I’ve had no end of trouble logging in ever since I took on a Gravatar so I’m using an email alias.)
look at the words they use…submit, be “loyal” equating women with children…children who must be controlled and saved from themselves because they are too emotional and unreasonable. These aren’t men who are hurt, these are men with the sick need to control another human being. Well adjusted men (and women) do not have such a desire to control and force another human being to submit to them.
And does anyone else find it disturbing how much MRAs talk about “programming?” its disturbing because it denies people, especially women, control of their actions and gives MRAs the belief that because women are “programmed” a certain way, thus men must control them so they don’t get out of hand.
Similarly when they talk about men’s programming it denies them the responsibility of their actions. Like when they say “sorry but I’m programmed to catcall when I see a chick in a lowcut top.’ Yet they never allude to anyone controlling men or removing men’s rights to save them from themselves. They never allude to locking men in the house if they can’t help harassing women on the street. Instead the force women to wear burquas and bear the consequences of their actions.
“Lesbian gender feminists”? Ahh, I love it when MRAs make up nonsensical terms to talk about things they don’t understand.