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All you need is love. Also, misogyny, and a side order of homophobia.

Love is in the air! On The Spearhead, WF Price has penned a piece with the intriguing title: “What’s Wrong with Wanting to be Loved?” To that I would answer: nothing.

Let’s see what lovely sorts of things Price has to say about the subject:

[S]till we have people whining about “misogyny.” Young feminists whose most important concern is the ability to have sex entirely free of consequences, and who shamelessly raise their voices for the right to kill their children in the womb. Lesbian gender feminists who wreck families for profit and sex. Male feminists who boast about fathering children and shuffling their responsibilities onto some duped cuckold, and who malign their fellow men for a crack at college girls.

Huh. Not sure how exactly this bit of nastiness is supposed to advance the cause of love.

(Also, I think that last bit – the line about those “who malign their fellow men for a crack at college girls” – is supposed to be a reference to … me, and the talk I gave on Monday at Northwestern, to which he has added his own little fantasies, like he did in his original, highly fictionalized, post on the subject. The man is obsessed.)

In the comments, Spearhead readers offered their own thoughts on the topic of love.

Revver started things off with this lovely thought:

Having seen and heard a great majority of women, being “unloved” becomes lighter and lighter a burden with each passing year.

 How easily they make themselves look like fools.

Opus spat forth an opus; here’s an edited version:

Women judge men by pre-selection.

If you have been dumped, then a member of Team Vagina has deemed you unworthy, so as in Snakes and Ladders you start from the bottom again. There is simply no point seeking female solace, because the woman will see that you do not seek her, and thus, offended, accuse you of unsolicited attention, or alternatively act offended that you are not interested in her. (I speak from experience). …

Women as we know are programmed to get over even the worst relationship in no more than three months, whereas for a man (even when in hindsight it was Xmas come early) we are often talking decades, for to be ditched is to take away all that it means to be a man (provider, nurturer). …  Now, why am I betting that Futrelle did not mention these things last night – and why am I also betting he has not got one single phone number from any female at Northwestern Univeristy?

(You guys are really are obsessed. Aren’t you supposed to mention my weight as well?)

Greyghost managed to work the phrase “gina tingle” into his ramblings:

Men actually have the capacity to love. Only a man can write an article like that. Women just don’t have the capacity to love. Women gina tingle. …   

The big lie was and is that a woman can love. Romance is what men do women receive it. …

The MRM with women on board on not will never ever change the nature of women. No matter how much awareness of the pain men and even children are in, women will vote and demand what is in therir childish perception of their interest. ( It will always be uninhibitted status and hypergamy)

In a later comment, he added these creepy afterthoughts:

Women do not and can not love the way you do and can. The best a man can get is some good emotional gina tingle. Never ever forget it. It can be a very emotionally pleasing and soothing time for a man but a man can never forget he is a man and right or wrong is a keeper of civilization.

The emotional trauma brought down on men when the realization of the lie hits [is] off the charts. It is where murders and suicides come from.

Georice81 offered up a rather elaborate excuse for slut-shaming:

My observation is that when women have been sexually promiscous their ability to submit and be very loyal to a single man is very diminished. …  They can’t respect that one man that may actually love them since they are contemptous of a man that could love someone like them. Men in the 1950′s understood this and would not marry someone who was not a virgin since they did not trust those that were not.

We men can love and want to love. We also have a huge capacity to forgive. Modern western woman don’t seem to comprehend this because of their own hangups.

Binxton, for his part, seemed to be posting from an internet café on Gor:

Women are by nature emotional, self-centered creatures. Absent controls on their behavior, they lack both morals and objective principles. They are too easily manipulated by their environment to allow them to be free.

Ultimately, female emotional nature requires men to control women.

Women will love when they endure hardship and respect higher authority, i.e., patriarchy.

Western women must acknowledge a male-centered world where they can enjoy the labors of man only if, and when, they show due deference to male authority. Those who fail to do so must be disciplined and punished as examples.

Joe set forth some similarly, er, traditional notions:

Women are capable of love but there’s a reason St. Paul tells wives to “fear” their husbands. Because women are just much more like children in their moral reasoning and in their emotional “resilience” (or capacity for cruelty). So for a woman to love a husband is much like a child’s love for his parents. It is a love that is requires her to be in a dependent position. This is why marriage in a feminist society of independent and irreligious (I don’t mean women without superstition, but women without fear of moral judgment) women, cannot work.

I think I’ve had enough of The Spearhead’s notions of love. Let’s try ten hours of Haddaway instead:

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pecunium
12 years ago

Sorry, I forgot to include, “and that’s what a man does”, which was part of his reasoning.

LBT
LBT
12 years ago

RE: Rutee

I take my ability to “provide” extremely seriously… but that’s nothing to do with my gender and EVERYTHING to do with me being a recovering workaholic who has yet to successfully differentiate between work and self-worth.

And insisting someone can take my gender away from me by BREAKING UP WITH ME is horseshit, Grade A.

M Dubz
M Dubz
12 years ago

Women do not and can not love the way you do and can.

Nah, dude. You’re just butthurt that women do not love YOU. I’ve had plenty of soul-crushing breakups in my day that took a while to heal from, and I can assure you that they really did happen.

Kendra, the bionic mommy
Kendra, the bionic mommy
12 years ago

Lesbian gender feminists who wreck families for profit and sex.

Yeah, I wish the door to door lesbians would stop visiting my house giving me pamphlets telling me to leave my husband. I realize it’s the ultimate get rich quick scheme, but it’s just
not for me. Watch out straight men, lesbians want to steal your women so they can get money!

I do feel a little sorry for W.F. Price for feeling lonely, but that doesn’t give him a free pass to say all the hateful stuff he says. I wish he understood that loneliness can affect everyone, not just men going through divorce. He also needs to know that almost everyone knows what it’s like to go through a painful break up or divorce, but most people don’t use their bad experiences as an excuse to hate half the population.

Kendra, the bionic mommy
Kendra, the bionic mommy
12 years ago

Curses, I have been foiled again by those blockquotes!

Holly Pervocracy
12 years ago

I kinda want to do a Gender Turing Test with these guys.

We’d have them chat for some time in a text-only format with a chat partner of unknown gender, and have them guess their partner’s gender.

If men and women are different goddam species, this should be really super easy, right? And if you discover that you can’t tell the difference at all… That ought to tell you something, right?

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
12 years ago

Also, exactly when did the meme crop up that men “father children then boast about how they dumped responsibility onto some duped cuckold,” and that this is a bad thing? Wouldn’t such a man be a hero in the MRM’s eyes for avoiding being roped into child support payments? Isn’t this what they call for when they say that men should be able to completely give up all responsibilities for a child?

Granted, they probably don’t think that pretending a child is somebody else’s is the right way to do this… but still. Also, how is it that “male feminists” are the ones that do this? Aren’t male feminists the poor schlubs who willingly give up their freedom to do whatever the woman wants? Isn’t the male feminist the one who would willingly be cuckolded because women are perfect?

Watch out, Price, because soon male feminists are gonna be the alphas you so desperately despise, instead of the exploited manginas you want them to be.

katz
12 years ago

I think the MRAs are suggesting that you don’t know what it’s like, you don’t know what it’s like, to love somebody, to love somebody, the way I love you.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
12 years ago

@Holly:

I kinda want to do a Gender Turing Test with these guys.

We’d have them chat for some time in a text-only format with a chat partner of unknown gender, and have them guess their partner’s gender.

I desperately want this to happen. We already have some preliminary results where trolls constantly misgender commenters here.

Actually… I’m pretty sure that this was actually the original formulation of the Turing Test. A man and a woman would be behind a chat program, and the goal was for a third person to guess which was the man and which was the woman.

abeegoesbuzz
abeegoesbuzz
12 years ago

Also, exactly when did the meme crop up that men “father children then boast about how they dumped responsibility onto some duped cuckold,” and that this is a bad thing? Wouldn’t such a man be a hero in the MRM’s eyes for avoiding being roped into child support payments? Isn’t this what they call for when they say that men should be able to completely give up all responsibilities for a child?

I’m guessing that that’s an allusion to Hugo Schwyzer. That guess is partially based on the fact that it preceded Price’s reference to David, and David and Hugo are now the same person, or something. Also, it’s something that Hugo wrote about on his blog.

As for your other questions about man-solidarity and MRM heroism, those should be answered by the fact that Hugo is a mangina and thus everything he does is all mangina-y and gross and needs to be analyzed using different logic than one would use if the subject were a Real Man.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
12 years ago

@abeegoesbuzz:

Well, I was going to snark “What, now it just takes one example to create a pattern?” But then I realized that these are the same people that think that dworkin and the one or two others create the pattern that all feminists follow, so it wasn’t all that surprising.

Seraph
Seraph
12 years ago

Also, exactly when did the meme crop up that (male feminists) “father children then boast about how they dumped responsibility onto some duped cuckold,”

That confused me, too. I mean, are we the wimpy manginas or the thugboy alphas? I don’t think the two are compatible.

Maybe this is the result of two MRA myths colliding: the “male feminists are only in it to get pussy” myth and the “only alphas get sex, and when they’re finished they dump the used-up ho and her bastard spawn on some poor dumb beta” myth.

Seraph
Seraph
12 years ago

…or my theory could get preemptively Jossed by abeegoesbuzz.

Dvärghundspossen
Dvärghundspossen
12 years ago

@Kirbywarp: No, the Turing test has always been about artificial intelligence, not gender. But it’s a fun idea for an experiment.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
12 years ago

Yeah, Schwyzer wrote an article about how he might have a son by some woman, but that he doesn’t know for sure, and another man is raising the child thinking it’s definitely his own.

M Dubz
M Dubz
12 years ago

Mostly, I think these dudes have the memories of goldfish and just say whatever will cast the female behavior of the moment in the worst possible light.

PDA (short for PDA's Dada Acronym)

Lesbian gender feminists who wreck families for profit and sex.

How does that even work?

Lesbian Gender Feminist Business Plan
1. Wreck families
2. ???
3. Profit! and sex!

Kyrie
Kyrie
12 years ago

And yet agin an installment of “women are too emotional and not enough, are always scheaming to take your money/child/love/companionship/time/strength but are incapable of thinking straight”. It sounds a lot like Descartes saying that animals are just elaborate machine incapable of feeling/suffuring. It’s not me/like me, then how can I now what’s inside. Therefore inside is empty, and only I really lives.

That’s the kind of case in which I think the definition of feminism I’ve heard from Holly (I think) is particurlarly adequate: feminism means we are human. As long as someone doesn’t admit that, all discussion is useless.

Viscaria
Viscaria
12 years ago

The comment that I found most interesting was from ecnayonnA:

i cant even describe how happy i was for the woman i thought i loved told me she actually appreciated me. this all of course was 2 days before she effectively announced on facebook she was in a relationship with some one else. apparently a guy in middle management with more money was way better then me. the whole thing was the last straw for me. the lessons had finally been learned.
i work on my own happiness now.

See, I read this, and I think, what if she had chosen to date you and not middle-management guy? Would middle-management guy then be justified in going to The Spearhead and talking about how women don’t want good providers like him until they’re ugly and have to jump off of the cock carousel? Or is it okay for him to be rejected, but not you, because you’re special?

Maybe her mistake was in not immediately pledging her life to the first man who ever expressed an interest; or, even better, making sure to only get to know one straight man at a time, just in case more than one of them developed an interest simultaneously.

Shadow
Shadow
12 years ago

Lesbian gender feminists who wreck families for profit and sex.

Why do they refuse to enlighten is on this?!!! I fear I will spontaneously combust from the curiosity.

Does anyone understand “Lesbian gender feminists” at least?

2-D Man
2-D Man
12 years ago

Sometimes, I am honestly struck speechless by some of the things these people seem to believe. Assholishness and cheerleading for patriarchy are one thing, but…do these people not know any women at all? Do they spend their whole lives stewing in their closed little circle, coming up with ever-wilder ideas about this alien species that they have to share the planet with (for now)?

Well, if you were* a woman**, would you want to know them, at all?

*I’m not sure if this sentence structure is correct or not.
**I’m not sure if you are a woman or not.

MrPopularSentiment
12 years ago

“This is why marriage in a feminist society of independent and irreligious (I don’t mean women without superstition, but women without fear of moral judgment) women, cannot work.”

Which is why marriages in the atheist/feminist communities have lower divorce rates (by some measures). It’s also why my husband and I – who are both feminists and both atheists – didn’t celebrate our ten year anniversary last year.

2-D Man
2-D Man
12 years ago

( It will always be uninhibitted status and hypergamy)

Isn’t hypergamy when women are marrying up (in status, that is)? Doesn’t that require women to be of lower status? How does that work in terms of “uninhibitted status”?

Men in the 1950′s understood this and would not marry someone who was not a virgin[snip]

Bwahahahahaha!

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
12 years ago

I’m pretty sure that these folks would only truely be happy if women were grown in test tubes and designed specifically for a certain man. That woman would be both a sex-virgin and a relationship-virgin, be completely loyal and devoted, and every man would have their own pet.

Alex
12 years ago

“Women as we know are programmed to get over even the worst relationship in no more than three months”

I’m pretty sure my boyfriend broke up with me last June. I’m also pretty sure I cried about it last week. But it’s probably just because I have no one to make my “gina tingle”. Or because I lost my way to profit and money. Or because I didn’t get to be pregnant and have him pay me child support. Or something.