Men’s Rights Redditors find “ebonics” hilarious

@DKM: I’m not at home where I have your vile statements about how women like my graduate student deserve to get killed by men–but I’ll get it up later.

Until then, have a nice breakdown of English teachers’ positions on students own languages, relating to the so-called “Ebonics” issue (of which you are as ignorant as you are about everything else, you racist shithead).

National Council of Teachers of English

The single biggest organization for English teachers (at ALL educational levels).

Their position statements on Language topics, as the GROUP dealing with the teaching of writing in the US:

http://www.ncte.org/positions/language

Their (edited but originally issued in 1971) statement on students’ right to their own languages:

Resolution on the Students’ Right to Their Own Language

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1974 NCTE Annual Business Meeting in New Orleans, Louisiana

Background

Members of NCTE and its constituent group, the Conference on College Composition and Communication (CCCC), became concerned in the early 1970s about a tendency in American society to categorize nonstandard dialects as corrupt, inferior, or distorted forms of standard English, rather than as distinct linguistic systems, and the prejudicial labeling of students that resulted from this view. Be it therefore

Resolution

Resolved, that the National Council of Teachers of English affirm the students’ right to their own language—to the dialect that expresses their family and community identity, the idiolect that expresses their unique personal identity;

that NCTE affirm the responsibility of all teachers of English to assist all students in the development of their ability to speak and write better whatever their dialects;

that NCTE affirm the responsibility of all teachers to provide opportunities for clear and cogent expression of ideas in writing, and to provide the opportunity for students to learn the conventions of what has been called written edited American English; and

that NCTE affirm strongly that teachers must have the experiences and training that will enable them to understand and respect diversity of dialects.

Be it further Resolved, that, to this end,

that NCTE make available to other professional organizations this resolution as well as suggestions for ways of dealing with linguistic variety, as expressed in the CCCC background statement on students’ right to their own language; and

that NCTE promote classroom practices to expose students to the variety of dialects that comprise our multiregional, multiethnic, and multicultural society, so that they too will understand the nature of American English and come to respect all its dialects.

Are we always able to live up to our ideals? No.

Are the practices of such ideals always perfect? No.

Is it better than what went before? Fuck, yes.

@Katz: Oh, I know. But I figured it would chafe his hide to see that English teachers are part of the great conspiracy to change things and have been for decades, and he probably didn’t even know about it, and cannot stop them, ahahahahahahahahahaha.

That, “passing” is the thing to do. You can decry “the need” as bad, all you like, but you are still supporting the system.

It’s really, really not cool to say people who pass to avoid dealing with shit are causing their shit. It’s also untrue. The majority are causing shit, not a minority

I NEVER said that all poor people are lazy and don’t deserve state funded medical care.

Yeah, you did, actually. Repeatedly. We were there. Don’t lie to us. Saying that people ‘get ahead when they deserve it’ is a repetition of tired classist memes. As to not deserving health care, it’s part and parcel with A: opposing state health care, and B: saying people get where they deserve, knowing full well that millions lack health care (and millions more have shitty health care). Had you not done either of those things, there’d be room to say you didn’t say people didn’t deserve health care, but that is not what you did.

Never did I say I approved of the discrimination. Sheesh!

Then why did you bother fucking saying it? This isn’t a thread about advice to get hired. Nor was the fucking Reddit thread. It’s just affirmation of privilege.

Yes, I said that we women are geneically programmed to go for men of means.

Statement assumes facts not in motherfucking evidence, you fucking twit.

It goes back to our cave grandmothers going for the best hunters.

No, it fucking doesn’t. In more gender-equal societies, hypergamy is lessened to a roughly equivalent degree In ancient times, hunting wasn’t even the fucking best way to get food, gathering and then agriculture were (Activities which women fucking participated in, you incompetent).

I don’t see why this should be considered anti-feminist.

Aside from being stupid and wrong (Which is sufficient on its own), it puts forth the idea that women, as an aggregate, want status. In point of fact, you can’t even get away with trying to do normal stereotyping bullshit of saying you just mean it’s ‘some’ women; you said it’s fucking genetically programmed, which is evopsych just so stories (Funny how humans are genetically programmed to replicate western society’s mores, isn’t it?)

That, “passing” is the thing to do. You can decry “the need” as bad, all you like, but you are still supporting the system.

It’s really, really not cool to say people who pass to avoid dealing with shit are causing their shit. It’s also untrue. The majority are causing shit, not a minority

Maybe I’m reading it wrong, but to me Pecunium’s statement reads as a denouncement of those who advocate that “passing” is the right way to go about things, not that those who “pass” are furthering their oppression.

That being said though, I do think that teaching people how to converse in a standard dialect is important. However, this should not be done by devaluing the diverse array of dialects out there. And there’s also a problem with deciding on the dialect to standardize.

You can sterlize yourself all you want DKM-but forced sterlization of women just because you disapprove of them?

Nope.

Rutee: I am not saying people who pass are supporting it. I’m saying that Ruby, by saying people ought to pass is supporting it.

Meller: Of course, sterilizing sluts, tramps, and other candidates for unwed motherhood–an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure–would solve the problem of “deadbeat dads” permanently, wouldn’t it? So would mandatory adoption of children of such women…

Food for thought!

So would sterilising men who refuse to pay child support, and then sending them to the galleys, or salt mines, or iPad factories, or something, where all the wages they earn would be sent to the women they abandoned.

Both are immoral, but I’ll bet you’d only be willing to support the former, not the latter.

Which is how we know you hate women.

Can I now officially call Meller a nazi and not have it be godwinning, since he is now openly advocating eugenics, is a racist, an anti-semite, a homophobe, a red scare promoter, and has in the past engaged in holocaust denial. Really, there’s not noticable distinction between Meller and a nazi.

So many responses to Meller I can’t pick just one!

Option 1: Obvious joke that if we euthanized people unfit to reproduce we wouldn’t be dealing with Meller right now.

Option 2: Maybe if we did enough selective breeding we could get women to actually grow luxurious pelts of fur.

Option 3: You could also stop unwanted reproduction by just having sex with dolls.

Option 4: If you euthanize a bunch of Americans, then our population will get taken over by immigrants oh nooooooooo

RE: Meller

People like you are why I’m an optimist. Because my society, flawed as it is, doesn’t have YOU in charge of it.

It’s almost enough to make me renounce atheism.

Well, he’s not german, is he?

Sadly there are American nazis and British fascists. Do we know where the vile toad DKM hails from?

I thought that was Antz. Is my memory faulty, or do we have two trolls that want to do that? ‘Cos that would be kind of amazing!