The regulars over on the Men’s Rights Subreddit are currently getting amused and/or outraged by the existence of a book titled “Girl, Get That Child Support,” a guide to help single mothers track down deadbeat dads and get the child support they are owed. A few of them were apparently so overstimulated by the book’s title, and a reference to “Baby Mamas” in the subtitle, that this little conversation ensued:
Note the upvotes and the (scarcity of) downvotes. And the complete lack of anyone saying “hey, you’re being racist assholes.”
The Men’s Rights Movement, the “most significant civil rights movement of the 3rd millennium.”
I vote we create a special award for Ruby this year: Thickest Troll Ever Who Consistently Ignores Everybody (not even insulting us) and Cannot Read: this would be the TTEWCIENEIUACR award.
I nominated her for the first award, and that it be established n her honor and given every year.
You guys rock. I have a con I’m running tomorrow, so I spend all day getting ready, all evening with our GOH, and tomorrow all day CON. So maybe see ya Sunday!
ozy: Are you trying to anaylse the studies to which Ruby has linked (or had referred to in links)?
You can’t do that. Ruby mentioned studies, by SCIENTISTS! That makes them irrefutable.
People still get pay stubs?
Yeah, my experience is much the same. Apparently my boyfriend knew pretty quickly that he wanted to date me*, but it took me months to decide he wasn’t just “guy who is fun to talk to” but also “guy I want to talk to and also cuddle and smooch and stuff as often as possible for the foreseeable future because he is ridiculously wonderful,” and there wasn’t some clear delineation between the two, just a gradual process of him steadily growing on me every day.
*Humorous side-note – since, as I mentioned, we originally met on an internet forum, he apparently actually thought I was a gay man for a significant length of time before we ever talked one-on-one. According to him, that idiot-mocking conversation was notable less because it was fun and hilarious, and more because at some point during it I mentioned my gender, and he thought, “Wait, this person whom I already thought was awesome and funny and cool also probably has boobs? WHOA.”
My Ex (not married, but 10 years living together, she a quaker, and I a soldier. She put up with my beong deployed,and sick, and not so great in the head after the deployment, and we moved three times, and some other shit. I’d say what probably did us in was that I, got stuck, and lost any sense of drive or ambition. I’ve gotten it back, but on top of all the rest of stuff we were going through that was probably a trifle soul destroying, but I digress):
She was interesting. Not pretty, but amazingly attractive. I was flirting with her, at the faire (she was a boothie, I was a performer) and she said she was quite happy with her girlfriend, and had no plans to see anyone else.
I said, “ok, but if you ever break up, feel free to call me”.
Skip ahead a few years, I’ve just had a break-up, am not in the mood for any sort of sexual-interaction. I am at the faire (this faire, in Calif. had two locations, about 400 miles apart this was the Northern one), and don’t actually have any responsibilties for the day (since I’d been supposed to be spending it off-site with the woman I’d been seeing).
There was my ex. So I spent the day with her. She was safe. Only I found out, in the course of the day, that she was single, and not a lesbian. She also lived in my part of the world. So when the weekend was over I called her, and we went horseback riding, and the next thing I new it was ten years later (and she was done with grad school, and I was out of the Army and a whole lot of other things).
It was that she was interesting.
princess bonbon: Yes, people do. I get them even though I have direct deposit. It makes it possible to check my employers stated hours against the hours I was working, as well as OT, witholding, etc..
I do not see that as a pay stub-pay stub indicates an actual check. Earnings statement makes more sense since there is no check.
Might just be scemantics since my earning statement is apparently called a warrant.
While I was waiting to get my direct deposit restarted (I transferred, and for reasons not clear had to start my DD from scratch), and the only difference between my paid by check and my, “earnings statements” is that the check in my “earning statements” has, “not a check” printed on it.
I have to log onto the computer to actual get a gander at my warrant.
Yeah, that’s pretty where I was at. She intrigued me, and I wanted to get to know her better. Turns out she felt the same way. So we started hanging out, discovered that we got along really well, shared a lot of common interests, and were just generally hot for each other.
Given the context of this discussion, I should also note that she always had a lot more money than I did.
Hmmm, whom should I believe, scientists working at prestigeous universities or morons on a web site who call you a racist for not thinking like them? I can play that game. You don’t think like me? Then you must be a racist homophobe. LOL!
Well I would believe you but for the fact you called the state university in my own damn backyard “prestigeous.”
ASU is many many things, but it is not prestigeous.
Ooh, ooh, idea! You know how when we started writing poems for Pelljane, s/he eventually figured out that it was poem-writing time and wrote some too? Let’s do that here! If Ruby doesn’t make any kind of acknowledgement that we’re writing poems, then we’ll know that she doesn’t even look at the shape of the text in the thread, much less the content.
Mysteries for the ages: How did she figure out we were talking about her?
Still not responding to the actual content of anything anyone’s said, eh Ruby?
I’m calling you a racist because Evopsych bullshit is predicated on white people as evolution’s golden children, you lackwit. Your ‘prestigious scientists’ either disagree with you, are non-existent, or are in the wrong field to do this shit in, in EVERY FUCKING CASE.
Not that it matters, you don’t read anyone’s posts, and you don’t care what the science says; you said as much yourself.
@Rutee
Is there something particularly racist about evo psych?
What if I attend* a prestigious university and think you’re being racist? How do you determine which person who has some connection to a prestigious university is more Always Right In Every Field, Or At Least More Right Than People On Man Boobz? Could it be that we could look at things without appeal to authority, perhaps?
*As a first-year undergraduate student, I’m afraid. I’m sure there are people here with more impressive qualifications than I who could say the same thing though.
@Shadow
Yes, unless by “particularly racist” you mean “racist in particular”, because it’s generally kyriarchal in prettymuch every other way too.
Finally caught up with the thread and Ruby, you can fuck off.
The rest of you have my undying adimiration for putting up with her tiresome ass.
Ruby. You are not responding to the others. You are continuing to just list things without engagging in any of the materials.
You know what is clear to me right now? That you have no damn clue what genetics is or how it works. Nor can you seem to distinguish how social influnces differ from biological (which goes back to your awful understanding of genetics). Stop trying to do a poor job of argument from authority and actually engage with those who are disagreeing with you.
@lowquacks
What I mean is: most studies in psychology have been done using White participants, we’ve only really started looking into doing things cross-culturally pretty recently. So the SOP of psychology has been to use White participants and then extrapolate that to humanity in general. So does evo psych go beyond that, or is that what you guys are referring to?
I took a course in evo psych in uni, but that was quite a while ago and I can’t remember much of it. What I do remember is that my prof was pretty clear that evo psych is a discipline that asks interesting questions, but it’s not the discipline that can answer them. The shit I’ve seen from when I started reading feminist blogs does not seem familiar at all, so I’m wondering if it is similar to what I learnt and I just don’t remember, or if I just had a particularly good teacher.
BTW, congrats on getting into a good uni!
@Shadow
It goes a little further than that. There’s no particularly effective way to separate genetic and environmental factors (the “nature-nurture” debate), and evo-psych as it’s commonly practised is more of a method than a discipline – “what just-so story would best explain this difference between X and Y groups?”. Anything that does that has a fairly high chance of getting kyriarchal pretty quickly.
Bear in mind that I’m not an expert and way too tired of trawling academic databases to find you any more specific examples – for some not-perfect examples, Herrnstein’s “The Bell Curve” isn’t specifically evo-psych, but does the sort of thing I’m talking about, as does anyone who seriously sees “Idiocracy” as Earth’s future.
Also, are you Australian? I’ve only ever seen Australians use “uni” as a shorthand for “university” before. Thanks for the congratulations – I’ve been meaning to brag here somewhere in a more specific way for a while but couldn’t think of anywhere it wouldn’t be unnecessary and uninteresting boasting.
It’s ultimately about how all evolution set forth to create white people’s civilizations, so yes, it’s kind of a requisite. Evopsych is just so stories to explain white people’s culture, predicated on the rather universal mechanism of evolution. If evolution ultimately lead to the creation of western civilization as its pinnacle, where does that leave everyone else?
Well, it doesn’t strictly speaking have to to be racist, but yes, because psychology doesn’t also declare white civilization the ultimate norm of forever.
@Rutee & Lowquacks
Makes sense. My interest has always been in the social/cultural side of psych so I’ve rarely come across evolutionary explanations.
@lowquacks
Not from Aus, but we used “uni” back in Africa as well. It’s been my experience that “uni” is commonly used in England as well, and places that have a lot of British media.
(I really wouldn’t miss this newfangled, resizing comment box)