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Gamer asshole: “Sexual harassment is part of the culture. If you remove that from the fighting game community, it’s not the fighting game community.”

This may be old news to gamers, but a reader just brought it to my attention:

Capcom and IGN recently put on a little online gaming “reality” show called Capcom’s Cross Assault, based on the game Street Fighter x Tekken. The show, like the game, pits a team of Street Fighter players against a Tekken team.

During a live stream of the ongoing battle on day five of the tournament, Twitch.tv community manager Jared Rea made a few remarks  criticizing the assholish, and often misogynistic, comments of some of the fighters.

Here’s how the Penny Arcade Report summarized what followed. (I’ve taken the liberty of highlighting several particularly egregious comments in bold.)

“This is Aris,” a voice said on the feed. “If you don’t like onions, you get your sandwich without onions on it, man. This is the fighting game community.” He then stated that sexual harassment and the fighting game community are “one and the same thing.”

The voice belonged to Aris Bakhtanians, the coach of the Tekken team.

“The sexual harassment is part of the culture. If you remove that from the fighting game community, it’s not the fighting game community… it doesn’t make sense to have that attitude. These things have been established for years,” Aris stated. He then noted that making sexual jokes at StarCraft players would be inappropriate, so it’s unfair for anyone to tell fighting game fans they can’t viciously mock women. …

“That’s what you’re trying to do to the fighting game community and it’s not right,” Aris continued. “It’s ethically wrong.” This may be the first time in the history of video games that someone had said that removing sexual harassment is ethically unjust.

Later in the, er, discussion, after someone brought up the harassment of a guy playing a female character (“someone yelling the world “bitch” over and over … and then scream[ing] for her rape when she lost”) Aris responded with this:

“What is unacceptable about that?” Aris asked. “There is nothing unacceptable about that. We’re in America! This isn’t North Korea! We can say what we want.”

You can listen to the whole discussion on this video; it starts, with Rea’s comments, at about one hour forty-five minutes in. (Aris starts commenting about two minutes later.)

Many more appalling details in the PA report post.

Oh, gaming community! Get it the fuck together.

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magdelynswallows
8 years ago

First!

magdelynswallows
8 years ago

I see nothing wrong with the gaming communities use of competative put downs.

Tulgey Lugger
Tulgey Lugger
8 years ago

Everything not illegal is acceptable! America! America! If I say “America!” enough times that will be true!

Speaking of misogyny and gaming, I just found out about this recently:

http://www.destructoid.com/bioware-writer-s-vagina-versus-the-internet-222206.phtml

It happened a few months ago, apparently. The TL;DR is that a writer (female) for a video game company suggested an option to skip over combat sections in games, and many called open season on gender-based invective for it. PS it’s a feature plenty of games already have, more or less.

Joanna
8 years ago

@mags: Trash talk is one thing. Bullying is another thing altogether.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
8 years ago

Um. Last comment was me. I log the tulgey wood, and then I lug the trunks to the river.

@mags

Nobody’s surprised and nobody cares.

Falconer
Falconer
8 years ago

@magdelyn: Do you not get why using gender-based insults establishes that one gender is dominant and the other is subordinate?

If you call someone a woman as an insult, you reveal that you think being a woman is a problem.

Are you saying that you’re okay with the potential for being threatened with rape if you lose a game?

Rutee Katreya
8 years ago

I see nothing wrong with the gaming communities use of competative put downs.

Did you read the OP, or the Penny Arcade article? Someone called for her to be raped… after she friggin’ lost. That’s not ‘competitive put downs’. I mean, it wouldn’t be during the match either, but then, you just have to defend misogyny, no matter what the circumstances, becaue you are a fool.

*Goes back to chilling in an awesome dress in Uncharted Waters Online*

ithiliana
8 years ago

The only woman in the top 100 MAGIC:THE GATHERING players worldwide also harassed:

http://www.themarysue.com/sexism-at-magic-tournament/

marc2020
marc2020
8 years ago

Here’s Moviebob’s excellent response to this bullshit http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/5436-Not-Okay I think it sums up this whole state of affairs nicely.

princessbonbon
8 years ago

Hey Aris, just because you have the right does not mean you should.

This quote does not quite fit but it is essentially the same sentiment: “Because an act is legal, according to the letter of the law, does not make it ethical.”

In other words, put a sock in it dillweed and learn some damn creativity in your trash talking.

ithiliana
8 years ago

Magdelyn: So, you’re ok with white players using racist slurs against black players, straight players using homophobic slurs against GLBT players? It’s just all good, competitive fun, and the marginalized groups who have the audacity to show MERIT and SKILL deserve to be treated like shit because the white boyz are afraid of the competition?

Uh-huh. I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised.

I was active in mostly male parts of fandom in the seventies (and I could beat any of the guys at one, poker, and two, having read and remembered classic testosterone sf). I left after a few years, and when I came back into fandom (online media fandom) in 2003, I was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO happy to be in a part of fandom dominated by women, from their teens to their sixties. It’s SO MUCH BETTER. It’s not perfect, nothing is, but good grief, SO MUCH BETTER.

ithiliana
8 years ago

This is the first time I’ve said this: but clearly gaming and other sff cultures could learn something from SPORTS:

https://encrypted.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ie=UTF-8&ion=1#hl=en&sa=X&ei=TcmET62eMOiw2wWgs5z1CA&ved=0CBgQvwUoAQ&q=racial+slurs+in+sports&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=6e3bd6a96aa2504a&biw=1280&bih=908&ion=1

Racist, Misogynistic, Homophobic, then FINE ‘EM!

Holly Pervocracy
8 years ago

Sexual harassment isn’t part of the gaming experience. Sexual harassment of women and/or LGBT people is part of the gaming experience.

The worst sexual harassment that happens to straight cis men is that someone calls them female or gay.

Sharculese
Sharculese
8 years ago

guys, did anyone know that magdelyn sees being lazily dismissive as a virtue? who would have guessed!

Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

This looks like a job for MRA man!!!

Trying to stop misogynistic insults in the game community?! why that’s oppression of men is what it is!!!!!! how DARE you tell them they’re being assholes!

and he’s calling for the rape of a fictional character? he’s that butthurt over losing? creeeeeeeep.

Falconer
Falconer
8 years ago

The first time I played laser tag there was some jerk who kept boasting about having finished basic training and how much he was going to smoke us at this game.

Sure enough, he managed to rack up a big score, a wide gap between himself and the next guy.

He was very happy about that and kept taunting us about his prowess.

I was all, whatever, dude, so you pwned some n00bz. The game was obviously not challenging for you. I’m sure this is a big feather in your cap.

I haven’t ever been big on competition and the “competitive put-downs” always struck me as needless dick-wagging.

If we took the sexual harassment out of the fighting game community, it won’t be the same fighting game community by definition. We would end up with something much better for everyone. But no, you just keep on being all bullying and I will continue to spend my video game dollar on other types of games.

I’d like to predict that this guy will end up all alone because people won’t bother with him, but unfortunately it’s quite clear that there will always be people eager to hang out with this guy.

Falconer
Falconer
8 years ago

creeeeeeeep

WOOP! WOOP!

CONDITION CHARTREUSE! CONDITION CHARTREUSE!

Viscaria
Viscaria
8 years ago

From the PA report:

“For Aris and a lot of other people (mostly guys, but it can include women, too), the fighting game scene is a chance for them to relax and be themselves, away from an insane, politically correct culture,” a member of the Shoryuken forum wrote. “For some guys, being themselves means making mildly lecherous comments or racial jokes. Now, a bunch of idiots are conflating and exaggerating this with actually being racist or sexist. That’s supremely fucking stupid, because they’re not even close to the same.”

“I’m just saying, for some people, ‘being themselves’ means doing sexist and racist things! That doesn’t mean that they are at all sexist or racist!” Yet another member of the “I don’t know why sexism and racism are bad, I but I know it’s insulting to call me sexist or racist” brigade.

Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

someone who so passionately defends their right to make rape and misogynistic jokes are not someone I would want to be in a room alone with.

YES MRAs I AM IMPLYING THIS PERSON IS POSSIBLY DANGEROUS DEAL WITH IT.

Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

@Falconer

BARRICADE THE DOORS!!! WOOP WOOP WOOP

Lady Zombie
Lady Zombie
8 years ago

I’m a gamer. I only try to play with friends who are also gamers because I don’t want to hear the misogynistic, homophobic, transphobic, racist shit that goes on in online gaming communities. My friends and I do trash talk, but we do it in fun and we don’t use any slurs and we’re laughing the whole time.

Here are two great blogs about GWF (gaming while female)

http://www.notinthekitchenanymore.com/
http://fatuglyorslutty.com/

It’s like Manboobz in that it mocks the misogyny in online gaming.

@Magz so I assume you’re okay with cis gendered dudes screaming “Tranny” at you?

Holly Pervocracy
8 years ago

Viscaria – Yeah, there seems to be this huge distinction people want to make, like, “I’m not a racist, I’m just a person who does racist things sometimes!”

DUDE THAT’S WHAT THE WORD RACIST EVEN MEANS

marc2020
marc2020
8 years ago

As a gamer this stuff pisses me off because the kinds of people who say this bullshit are often the very same people who whinge about videogames not being taken seriously by the mainstream press. They don’t realise that this is unlikely to happen if they insist on using racist, misogynist, homophobic or anti trans slurs as such is not the language of those who deserve to be taken seriously.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

And then those very same guys complain bitterly about how they can’t find women to date. Driving women out of your community and then telling everyone all about how justified you feel in doing so? Always a great way to ensure that you will have plenty of compatible women in your social circle.

Lady Zombie
Lady Zombie
8 years ago

I’ve got a comment in moderation but I’ve linked two great blogs about Gaming While Female.

magdelynswallows
8 years ago

ithiliana

“…So, you’re ok with white players using racist slurs against black players, straight players using homophobic slurs against GLBT players? It’s just all good, competitive fun, and the marginalized groups who have the audacity to show MERIT and SKILL deserve to be treated like shit because the white boyz are afraid of the competition?”

I have nothing against good natured trash talk. I should clarify that I am not for threatening someone was rape. But, I’d rather live in a society and community that does not mandate the “big sister” rule book on proper gaming edicate, where people habitually use being “offended” as a social tactic to shut people up who they dislike.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

Urgh. You know, if “being yourself,” means “acting like a whiney cockbite,” then don’t be surprised that I want nothing to do with you. Because shock of all shocks, when I “am myself,” I somehow DON’T threaten rape to people and call them racial slurs.

*goes back to reading Incognegro and not gaming*

Rutee Katreya
8 years ago

I have nothing against good natured trash talk.

Trash talk that relies on marginalized status isn’t ‘good-natured’, you twit.

where people habitually use being “offended” as a social tactic to shut people up who they dislike.

‘Habitually’, huh. You don’t game, do you?

Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

As a gamer this stuff pisses me off because the kinds of people who say this bullshit are often the very same people who whinge about videogames not being taken seriously by the mainstream press. They don’t realise that this is unlikely to happen if they insist on using racist, misogynist, homophobic or anti trans slurs as such is not the language of those who deserve to be taken seriously.

This. Video games are a legitimate form of entertainment with a variety of great storylines and beautiful artwork. But the dudebro stereotype that hangs around because of the assholes who insist on being assholes lends a bad name to the whole gaming culture. These same dudes probably whine about how women hate videogames or nag at them for gaming while ignoring the concerns of women gamers and pushing them away with their sexist bullshit.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: Mags

You… DO realize those guys are equating being told to stop threatening rape as the “big sister” rulebook right?

Also, I swear CONSTANTLY when playing Smash. To the point that college boys told me to cool it, just because they found me so annoying. That’s not them being whiney rulebook etiquette people. It’s very reasonable for them to ask me to stop being annoying and bellowing, “FUCK SHIT FUCK FUCK DIE” constantly.

Polliwog
Polliwog
8 years ago

This is precisely the sort of thing that keeps me from playing any sort of game that involves interaction with other players, unless those players are actual friends of mine in real life.

Which is sad, because, y’know, I like gaming a lot, and I like competition, and I like teamwork. I don’t doubt that I would enjoy a lot of the games that I avoid, if only the people playing them would stop acting like colossal fucking douchebags. I just don’t understand why that’s so damn hard. I mean, if “fun” for them really is yelling about raping people, then maybe they could go yell about raping people at their wall, and then sit down and play a game like a normal human being without threatening to rape anyone, so the rest of us could actually enjoy it, too?

magdelynswallows
8 years ago

“…‘Habitually’, huh. You don’t game, do you?”

No. No, I don’t.

Rory Manion (@cromanionfolks)

I managed to get banned from NeoGAF (a massive gaming forum) a couple months back for yelling at the dumb kids there about how profoundly oblivious they were to the rampant misogyny in gaming “culture.” Granted, I was a bit of an asshole about the whole thing and probably deserved the time-out, but it was like shouting at a brick wall for three days.

They couldn’t comprehend the difference between the superficial, tongue-in-cheek trash-talk that pops up in many competitive venues and mean-spirited, persistent bullying based on gender. It was incomprehensible to them that the woman didn’t stand up for herself and scold king shit of turd mountain while he sat on his greasy throne. They couldn’t fathom the idea that someone might be punished (read: banned from hosting one of these streams) for this kind of repugnant behavior.

Gamers desperately seek out validation of–and mainstream respect for–their hobby, but fly into a defensive panic the moment anyone holds video games to the same level of scrutiny to which other media are subjected.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
8 years ago

But, I’d rather live in a society and community that does not mandate the “big sister” rule book on proper gaming edicate, where people habitually use being “offended” as a social tactic to shut people up who they dislike.

A false dichotomy irrelevant to the OP, unless you think sexist insults are good-natured.

Morgan
Morgan
8 years ago

Most of the people who I hang with who are gamers, and far more hardcore than I, are pretty much the exact opposite types as portrayed here; they’re down to earth good people, very much anti-sexism, homophobia, misogyny, etc., etc. I wish that was more representative of gaming culture as a whole, and that this report was a vast exaggeration.

Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

So Mags if I played me some Guilty Gear one day and lost to Sol would you be fine with me screaming “what a fucking creep I hope you get falsely accused of rape and get raped in prison!!!”

or would you think that was just a little fucked up?

magdelynswallows
8 years ago

“…A false dichotomy irrelevant to the OP, unless you think sexist insults are good-natured…”

That definately can be.

Dracula
Dracula
8 years ago

Hey Mags, you know what’s a “…social tactic to shut people up who they dislike.”? Harassment.

Morgan
Morgan
8 years ago

@ LBT —

Also, I swear CONSTANTLY when playing Smash. To the point that college boys told me to cool it, just because they found me so annoying. That’s not them being whiney rulebook etiquette people. It’s very reasonable for them to ask me to stop being annoying and bellowing, “FUCK SHIT FUCK FUCK DIE” constantly.

would that be Super Smash Bros.? Some friends of mine in my early college days introduced me to that game, and it was fun, but they were so much better, if I swore, it was because I was constantly loosing — half the time I didn’t even know where on the screen my character was!!

Rutee Katreya
8 years ago

And yes, these idiots annoy the hell out of me. I love games too much to let them stop me, but jesus fuck. It’s rare to not have to deal with altogether too much bullshit. My favorite are the ones who want to ramble on about why women don’t game.

No. No, I don’t.

Is that so? So how often do you think that actually happens? How often do you think it would, if there were ‘big sister etiquette rules’? I dislike plenty of people. They don’t all offend me.

I mean, that’s kind of besides the point; at the end of the day, you’re calling for a form of etiquette that is far more oppressive than the one in your head, you’re just okay with that because it’s misogynist, racist, heterosexist, etc, instead of half-decent to the marginalized.

Rutee Katreya
8 years ago

I wish that was more representative of gaming culture as a whole, and that this report was a vast exaggeration.
Yeah, so do I.

jumbofish
8 years ago

I have nothing against good natured trash talk. I should clarify that I am not for threatening someone was rape. But, I’d rather live in a society and community that does not mandate the “big sister” rule book on proper gaming edicate, where people habitually use being “offended” as a social tactic to shut people up who they dislike.

good natured trash talk? haahahaha
Plus there is no one saying oh limit freedom of speech you idiot. I swear whenever someone gets annoyed at someone saying racist sexist stuff or whatever and then criticizing them there is always some freedom of speech worshiper who crawls out of the woodworks and claims they are trying to limit freedom of speech. Guess what part of freedom of speech is freedom to criticize as well.

jumbofish
8 years ago

“…A false dichotomy irrelevant to the OP, unless you think sexist insults are good-natured…”

That definately can be.

Yeah we all know you are perfectly ok with being called slurs and insulted based on your gender but I mean whatever gets the men to like you right?

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: Morgan

Well, admittedly, I DO lose a lot of Super Smash Bros., because I never had an N64 and was always playing against people a lot better than me who actually knew what all the buttons did, but that’s not why I curse constantly while playing it. It’s just… a very bad habit.

Rachel Maud
8 years ago

And my boyfriend wonders why I have no interest in gaming.

J. Michael Mount
8 years ago

Just because something isn’t technically illegal doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be called out for it. Why is this so hard to understand?

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
8 years ago

I’d like people who use sexist and racist language to stop being offended when they’re called on their behavior. I’d like conservative politicians to stop being offended by the fact that gay people exist. I’d especially like the Catholic Church to stop being offended by the fact that it can’t actually force anyone to follow church doctrine.

And the trolls here, who are offended to encounter disagreement? They can take their delicate feelings and go cry in a corner.

pecunium
pecunium
8 years ago

Mags: I have nothing against good natured trash talk. I should clarify that I am not for threatening someone was rape. But, I’d rather live in a society and community that does not mandate the “big sister” rule book on proper gaming edicate, where people habitually use being “offended” as a social tactic to shut people up who they dislike.

No, you’d rather live in a world where they use racist, and sexist, abuse as the tactic they use to shut people up.

As an FYI, this post is an example of you being passive aggressive. You are implying that this is a “tactic” being used to shut people up, rather than people taking legitimate offense.

If you want to say that, say it. If you don’t mean to say it, don’t say it. Either way, burying the accusation is passive aggressive, and a little cowardly.

Holly Pervocracy
8 years ago

Just because something isn’t technically illegal doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be called out for it. Why is this so hard to understand?

And just because you’re called out for something doesn’t mean you’re being ordered to stop doing it.

You’re being informed that your speech causes anger and pain to others. What you do with that knowledge is still up to you.

PDA (short for PDA's Dada Acronym)

This isn’t North Korea! We can say what we want!

Right: because the big problem in North Korea is that the government is overly sensitive about rape. [TW]

I should clarify that I’m not for threatening someone was rape

Bully for you. So your whole point is…

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