Oh, the Men’s Rights subreddit is on a roll! Earlier in the week, as regular readers will already be well aware, a sizeable number of the regulars there were waxing indignant about a spermburgling girlfriend who turned out to be imaginary, and expressing sympathy for the imaginary girlfriend’s imaginary boyfriend, even though he’d admitted to punching her in her imaginary stomach.
Now they’re directing their wrath at a British journalist whom they’ve decided is being insufficiently grateful for being rescued from being hit by a speeding automobile by Ryan Gosling.
The backstory: Earlier in the week, British journalist Laurie Penny was wandering the streets of Manhattan, lost in thought, when she almost stepped off the curb into the path of a taxi. A man standing nearby grabbed her and pulled her to safety. That man happened to be famously hunky young actor Ryan Gosling.
Naturally, Penny tweeted about it, and her tweet aroused something of a Twitterstorm, in part because of the novelty of the situation, and in part because the thought of someone so dashing performing this little act of urban heroism made more than a few ladies (and men) swoon a little. I would probably react the same way if I heard a story about Kate Winslet saving a kitten.
Anyway, Penny was a little bit overwhelmed by all the attention her story was getting, and ended up writing a funny, spiky little essay for Gawker reminding people that while, yes, Ryan Gosling had indeed done a very nice thing for her, for which she was grateful, that it wasn’t really the biggest deal in the world. For one thing, she pointed out, lots of ordinary decent people perform similar acts of “heroism” all the time. For another, there are bigger heroes out there – like those working tirelessly to keep Rick Santorum from becoming our next president.
She ended the piece with this:
I really do object to being framed as the ditzy damsel in distress in this story. I do not mean any disrespect to Ryan Gosling, who is an excellent actor and, by all accounts, a personable and decent chap. …
But as a feminist, a writer, and a gentlewoman of fortune, I refuse to be cast in any sort of boring supporting female role, even though I have occasional trouble crossing the road, and even though I did swoon the teeniest tiniest bit when I realized it was him. I think that’s lazy storytelling, and I’m sure Ryan Gosling would agree with me.
And the thing is, I’m sure he would. I’m sure he’s as embarrassed about the attention as Penny is.
Well, for some people, Penny’s refusal to play the “boring supportive role” was simply unacceptable. Over on The National Review, antifeminist asshole Suzanne Venker wrote a snide and misleading piece portraying Penny as an ungrateful bitch:
If Western women want to know where all the good men have gone, they need only look in the mirror. Not only can men no longer hold the door open for women or pay the check after dinner, they can’t even save a woman’s life and get a simple thank you.
Never mind that Penny wrote explicitly that she was “grateful to the dashing and meme-worthy Mr. Gosling.” We can conclude that Venker either has terrible reading comprehension, or is deliberately lying about Penny. In any case, she continued on in this vein:
Feminists have totally destroyed the relationship between the sexes. Not all women seek the feminized version of the American male. Most women like big, strong, sexy men. They want men who are willing to put out fires, fight in combat, and, yes, even save damsels in distress. But in post-feminist America, Marlboro Man is a rare breed. We can thank women like Penny for that.
Well, actually, the reason the Marlboro Man isn’t around any more is that he died of lung cancer. (Well, to be more specific, two of the actors who portrayed the Marlboro Man did in fact die that way.) But let’s continue:
If Americans don’t wake up to the evils of feminism, the next time a woman walks down the wrong side of the street, the men of America will simply walk right past her and let her get hit.
And we’ll have no one blame but ourselves.
Really? Really? I’m pretty sure that Penny’s Gawker essay isn’t actually going to turn American men into a bunch of woman-hating psychopaths. I think we can all agree that Venker is being a giant turd here.
Well, not all of us, I guess. Someone posted Venker’s little screed to the Men’s Rights subreddit – you were wondering when I’d get back to them, weren’t you? And the regulars responded, well, like you would expect them to. Here are two of the most highly upvoted comments there, from two of the subreddit’s most prolific posters.
Stay classy. Men’s Rights Redditors!
I also want women to do these things. Feminist, remember?
This is the first time in my life I’ve ever heard of Ryan Gosling, also.
RE: Antz
Dude, she already thanked him! What do you WANT?
I love how Venker assumes no woman would ever help anyone whilst simultaneously painting all men as assholes so insufferable, they’d only help someone in exchange for eternal thankitude.
I’m so reassured by that disclaimer.
“Not that I’m a racist, but blacks are mud people, God’s failures before perfecting Adam, and white Christians are the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel: God’s chosen people.”
“Not that I’m a Chorazos Cultist, but Yog-Sothoth, key and guardian of the gate, is coming and shall rise again.”
“Not that I’m a Nazi, but das Ziel der Jude ist, damit sich der Herrscher über die Menschheit. Wo immer er kommt, zerstört er Werke der Kultur. Er ist nicht ein kreativer Geist, sondern ein destruktiver Geist.”
IT’S IN THE GENEVA CONVENTION
Damn, AntZ, I didn’t think of it that way, you’re right. This was Ryan Gosling’s time to shine, to be known to the world for one brief, shining moment. And then Laurie Penny had to steal all the attention for herself! Don’t you get enough attention, Laurie Penny, who I’ve never even heard of before?
AntZ, you silly goose; people, men and women, boys and girls, do this sort of thing all the time. The only reason this story became big was because of the spotlight that is already on Ryan Gosling, all of the time. I fail to see how he stole that spotlight from Penny.
I almost feel like calling them a hate group is giving them way too much credit at this point.
On top of everything else, I’m kind of amused by the implication that Ryan Gosling should be offended that she did not swoon sufficiently.
He’s Ryan Gosling. He’s an A-list movie star. He routinely gets listed in those “Sexiest Man Alive” lists. He stars in “chick flicks” as The Super Dreamy Hunky Wonderful Awesome Man All You Ladies Totally Want To Bang.
Does anyone really think he feels that there is a shortage of swooning women in his life?
“On top of everything else, I’m kind of amused by the implication that Ryan Gosling should be offended that she did not swoon sufficiently.
He’s Ryan Gosling. He’s an A-list movie star. He routinely gets listed in those “Sexiest Man Alive” lists. He stars in “chick flicks” as The Super Dreamy Hunky Wonderful Awesome Man All You Ladies Totally Want To Bang.
Does anyone really think he feels that there is a shortage of swooning women in his life?”
This times a billion.
On top of that, shouldn’t the MRM be hating on Gosling for being an Alpha?
RE: Polliwog
Wait, Gosling’s A-list? I just know him from “Remember the Titans” and “Lars and the Real Girl” (which I really like). Oh, I guess he was in “The Notebook.”
I am so culturally deprived…
Lets see if an example can pierce the fog of feminist religion, and let in just the tiniest amount of ligh. How would you feel about THIS newspaper article:
Last Saturday Paula Jane Radcliffe, the English long-distance runner and current women’s world record holder in the marathon, added two new feathers to her cap: she is now both the oldest woman, and the most recent mother, to win the prestigious New York marathon. Paula gave birth to daughter Isla while actively training for the New York Marathon. Remarkably, after the 27 hour labour, she went on to win 1st place, becoming both the oldest woman, and the most recent mother, to win that competionon ..
“Whoa, whoa, whoa!” said husband Gary Lough, also a runner.
“I really do object to being framed as the absent husband in this story. I do not mean any disrespect to my wife Paula, who is an excellent jogger and, as I myself can attest, a personable and decent wife. I want it on the record that I won 3rd place at the prestigious Tyne/Wear half marathon in England — one week BEFORE Paula went on her New York jogg. I was as tired and worn out by diapers and sleepless nights as Paula, if not more! I am happy for my wife’s success running in the girl’s division. But as a father, a runner, and a gentleman of fortune, I refuse to be cast in any sort of boring supporting male role, even though I have occasional trouble with finishing my own races, and even though I did swoon the teeniest tiniest bit when I realized that my wife was both the oldest woman, and the most recent mother, to wint he New York marathon. I think that’s lazy storytelling, and I’m sure Paula would agree with me.”
KNOCK KNOCK! Is there anyone HOME? 🙂
Do you people even realize the magnitude of how ridiculous you are?!?
RE: Anthony
Uh. This woman didn’t DO anything to rescue her husband. She just ran a marathon. He’s not involved at all, and she didn’t do anything heroic. There’s no giant news media blitz or memes about this woman.
You’re comparing apples and oranges. Now, if she RESCUED her husband from a sinking boat or whatever, and because she was an athlete she got showered with praise, then yeah, sure, he’d totally have rights to speak up. But you’re comparing something TOTALLY UNRELATED.
Also, you don’t get to call other people ridiculous. You want to replace your wife with VR because you can’t stand the idea of someone leaving you.
Cookie for the person who can find any kind of connection, however tenuous, between AntZ’s latest post and the rest of the thread.
…Zarat, seriously, what in the actual fuck are you on about?
Rich coming from the man who wants to replace FOREIGN BRIDE with VR AND wants to divide genders on each side of the Mississippi.
Zarat yet again demonstrates how he does not know the difference apparently between giving birth and… pretty much everything else.
I’d say so, but my standards for “A-list” are pretty much “Am I aware of who this person is? Is it NOT because they were in a Joss Whedon show, a comic book movie, or something similarly tailored to my interests? Then they are probably actually famous!” :-p
So basically a lady says this basic act of human decency only got big play because of someone’s fame, and that means she is ungrateful, ergo all men everywhere should stop pulling people out of harm’s way because Feminism?
digitalsextant, I forgot about that! I think I did briefly swoon over Kate Winslet’s heroism.
And then I forgot about it, because celebrities of either gender doing heroic things, while mildly interesting to the general public, are not really that big of a deal.
The first part of the story is poorly written. It gives the impression that she ran the race right after giving birth.
She said “I’ve…had enough…of this!” and ran a marathon.
Wow, AntZ is being even more of an asshat than usual. Which, you know, is saying something.
I think the MRA anger at the journalist being not sufficiently grateful is similar to Mr. Al’s anger at us not finding certain celebrities to be hot. Because if this lady can’t be grateful to a freaking celebrity for saving her life, this apparently means something something about all women having their bar impossibly high and there is nothing any man can do for a woman that could get make him look good. Thus all the yelling about cats and dogs living together, feminism has destroyed the natural order of things!!!! because we all know women’s real purpose is to sit around and be tools for men to make themselves look good.
But in post-apocalyptic America, they’re really going to want a man who can fix toasters.
What cracks me up is not only does it seem like the “you guys do it toooo!” argument is the only rhetorical tool in AntZ’s box… he also sucks at it.
Ant’ny, in order for the argumentum ad hominem tu quoque (A makes criticism P, A is also guilty of P, therefore, P is dismissed) attack to even make SENSE, it has to somehow relate to the argument being proposed. You don’t get to just make up a random story, append a smiley, and then fold your arms and yell “See!”
Well, actually, you DO… but it just makes you look clumsy and foolish.