Oh, boy. So that almost certainly imaginary “dude punching his spermjacking girlfriend” story in the Men’s Rights subreddit the other day? The one that inspired all those Men’s Rights Redditors to totally defend the (alleged) puncher?
Well, now Jezebel has weighed in on the subject as well. Erin Gloria Ryan raises a few questions about ineedhelpnow1234’s implausible tale, and about the dudes who not only believed it but got all enraged at the imaginary punched girlfriend:
Where does this legend of the sperm swiping madwoman come from? And why won’t it die? Why are men’s rights activists so willing to believe that in a world practically dripping with sperm, women specifically want theirs so they can be pregnant and possibly farty for 9 months, stretch their skin out, and go through childbirth in order to control the men in their lives?
Apparently, at least one Men’s Rights Redditor is a reader of Jezebel, because he went and posted a link, explaining that
I normally try to stay neutral as best I can in matters relating to the men’s rights/feminism debate, but this has me grinding my teeth.
So this is what feminists think about one of our most pressing issues.
Presumably he is referring to the extremely pressing issue of girlfriends who flee the bedroom after sex, clutching used condoms and shouting that “I’m finally going to get the baby I deserve,” and how they totally deserve to be punched in the stomach so hard it leaves a bruise.
The discussion inspired this exchange:
Oh, and this one, too:
YadaYadaYada2 certainly has a flair for the dramatic, doesn’t he?
Men’s Rights Activists, so emotional!
EDITED TO ADD: I sort of started arguing with the regulars in the comments there, and Glarfugus set me straight on the nature of my sins against the Men’s Rights subreddit:
You quoted accurately, the problem lies where you quote perfectly sound posts and talk about them like they’re ridiculous. You address punching a woman in the stomach as though it’s something of high crime. I’m not saying it’s something that’s right, but punching someone in the stomach in a panicked situation where you have a risk of being fucked by the court system for the next 18 years? Reasonable action.
I put my favorite part in bold. The stuff about punching women is pretty special too.
Just out of curiosity, where is everyone getting this $300.00 a month number? Since over 50% of those married get divorced at the womens dictate, I know many men who pay support, (they all lost equal custody in the feminists courts. No pussy = no custody). The average they pay is $200.00 a week plus health insurance.
So in the real world the average is $800.00 a month, and that’s reguardless of how often they have the child. Even if they have the child for 3 to 4 months out of the year they still pay $200.00 every week.
Since the men I know in the real world make between 15 and 25 dollars an hour, lets do some math with the average of $20.00 an hour which is 40K a year. Big Daddy takes 25% minimum cut, so that’s 30K a year. $800.00 a month is another 10K a year so that leaves 20K. If the man gets to care for the child for 3 months out of the year and it actually does cost $200.00 a week that’s another $2500.00 leaving 17.5K left for him which is about $9.00 an hour for himself. The woman has the further benefit of claiming the child as an exemption since she has the claim of custody, (ownership).
You can well imagine how little a man has left and how much a woman has left after the fun begins. Child support is simply an incentive to divorce a man, kidnap his family, (child/children) and have his wealth transferred to a woman. All backed by womens law and State violence. Or doesn’t womens vaunted superior empathy consider kidnapping, extortion, or being thrown in an iron cage for being poor acts of violence?
Ms. Garrity, it is an honor to have been ninja’d by you.
I don’t know about Mass, but in Calif. that would be battery, but not necessarily assault.
Calif. Penal Code §240. An assault is an unlawful attempt, coupled with a presentability, to commit a violent injury on the person of another.
It might be assault, if one can show the, “present ability” to commit violent injury.
Calif. Penal Code §242. A battery is any willful and unlawful use of force or violence upon the person of another.
Battery doesn’t require injury. It doesn’t require violence. Restraining someone, by grabbing their arm is battery.
Both of those are, in the main, simple misdemeanors.
But as I said, I don’t know what the law is in Mass.
The OP was however in a different section of the Calif, Penal Code.
Since the OP described the relationship as dating subsection 10 would seem to be in effect, thus making it, in Calif. a case of DV, and therefore subject to things like the Lautenberg amendment (restricting ownership of firearms).
As I said elsewhere, any blow solid enough to cause a bruise to the abdomen is one likely to have caused injury, because there isn’t anything solid behind it to compress the tissues; it’s a brute force trauma.
Which is why I don’t think the OP was being honest. That the OP was trolling doesn’t change the nature of the reactions of the people who did think it was true; nor of Antz, who claims it wasn’t, but that it raises interesting questions about what is a reasonable recourse if a woman is trying to, “steal one’s sperm”.
Damn it, the formatting is broken, even though I managed the blockquotes.
It’s interesting how, even when discussing actual DV by women, Antsy can’t help slipping in misogyny, as none of the article he linked discusses periods or “feeling ratty.”
And by interesting, I mean “what a dumbfuck.”
I know that’s not grammatical, but still.
Also, I’m pretty sure the 250,000$ burden is a number referring to the overall costs of raising a child, NOT a number derived from child support payment data. (For those keeping track, this was another refrain on the Tom Leykis Show that came up when discussing the tabasco-in-condom strategy. For whatever reason, the figure has been subtracted by about 50,000$ since the days when I listened.)
Pecunium brought up another point I was going to talk about, but I held my tongue when I thought I would be contradicted by people who know what they are talking about (e.g. Pecunium). Namely, punching someone in the stomach hard enough to leave a bruise is excessive force, by far. Having been a younger brother, my own experience is that a “tummy-punch” can be temporarily incapacitating and still fall far short of leaving a bruise. You have to really get dangerous to leave a bruise, I expect.
BTW, treating the redditor’s story as a hypothetical, how about “call the police”?
And by all that, I mean “Ansty is such a dumbfuck.”
A quarter milion over 18 years? Well that would work out to a little more than babysitting did each month before my daughter went to school and I was working full time. Cost a thousand a month to see her properly cared for. Her father paid 250 per month for all expenses. We were both making the same wages. So sure.. There was lots of money being made…by the government in taxes, by baby sitters and by a father who wasn’t paying what it costs to raise a child.
Pecunium, point well taken. IANAL and I can’t say what is or is not reasonably a judgment call, legally.
What I meant to say is AntZ is a dumbfuck.
Tuley Logger: If he hit her as hard as the story implies, she wasn’t going to be leaving anytime soon. Abdominal bruising like that is incapacitating. It drops one to the floor. It leaves one unable to get out of bed for several days.
So either he is lying, or she is. Since he claims the police talked to her, then came to arrest him (and he’s all upset that she said if he didn’t contact her by X date she’d call the police, and on X date she did… wha!), either there was bruising, or there was more to the story (if true) than he is relating.
That, or it’s all bullshit. Even if it is Bullshit, Antz seems to think it’s regrettable, but understandable, that a man commits a serious bodily injury to prevent something which is almost certainly not going to do him any harm (because the odds of her being pregnant as a result of this are infintesimal).
She had no episiotomy, and was not lucky at all.
I know it’s a little nit-picky in the midst of all the troll crazy. But fyi episiotomies are rarely medically necessary and usually cause more damage than they hope to prevent.
Pet peeve of mine.
Ugh quote fail. That was directed at Antz.
I lov how one of the guys on reddit says that /mensrights is this amazing thing because it has over 33100 subscriptions. Fred Figglehorn on Youtube has 170900 subscribers and has starred in 2 (two!) motion pictures. If you don’t know Fred (how I envy you), his whole bit is having a squeaky voice and being annoying. Really, really annoying.
But, you know, 33100 subscriptions, go you!
Anthony Zarat: No dates, sorry. Can’t take the risk.
No problem, honey. I think I can speak for damn near everyone here when I say, “You’re not my type.”
Holly Pervocracy (re: AntZ): Although I admit it baffles me how you’re avoiding thinking about the question.
Easy. He just doesn’t think. Period.
Xtra: I think I get MRA logic now. No abortions because, of course women are supposed to have 18 years of servitude. but men only if they have a wife/woman slave that will never divorce them no matter how crappy they treat her. Women are just paying for their consequences.Men aren’t supposed to have those. Do I have it right?
I think that’s exactly (Xactly?) right.
MollyRen: Frankly, I’m wondering about the viability of sperm gotten in this way to begin with. What little I know about artificial instemination would makes it out to be MUCH more difficult.
It might be possible to retrieve viable sperm this way, but it’s hardly probable.
@ pillowinhell and everybody — I think I may have mentioned that I work for a lawyer.
Well, in my state child support is determined by a formula. Seriously, there’s an Excel spreadsheet I use whenever we need to calculate it. This formula takes into account percentage of parenting time, number of children, income, childcare expenses, health insurance, etc., etc. and spits out a presumptive child support order which is a round dollar amount.
The judge cannot change that amount willy-nilly. IANAL, there’s probably some circumstance in which the judge can make a call, but in all of my experience this formula is the ultimate authority.
And everyone wants to minimize the amount of child support they’re paying, or maximize the amount of child support they’re receiving. I don’t blame people for wanting to maximize their receipts (see this whole thread for child rearing costs) but I’m getting sick and tired of guys* who go on in self-righteous anger about how their ex-partner wants so much money in child support and guess what she has bought herself a truck that’s at least five years old! If she’s got money for a truck, she ought to have money for a child!
And I want to point out that, if this ranting guy has the family’s sole vehicle, then of course his ex has bought herself a new car because guess what, cars are necessary in this country. Also, she doesn’t owe you a continuing itemization of what she spends the money on after the divorce is finalized.
But I can’t because I have to make like frickin’ Jeeves without the deadpan snark and promise them that our office will do what it can to help them.
Okay. Definitely ranty tonight. Think I’ll go art** for a while.
*I’m all for gender-neutral and inclusive language but I have never heard a(n apparently cis) woman complain like this, only (apparently cis) men.
**Verbing, as has been extensively documented, weirds language.
Envy no longer! Damn, I’m going to miss that ignorance. It was real blissy.
@Falconer
I deeply apologize. No one should suffer Fred.
Right said.
We have the same spreadsheet up here. Thing is, he wasn’t working much when we first split and when to court. When he was making better money, I couldn’t afford to take time off work to drag him back into court. Now, I’m not paying for sitting, so the payment is more in line with the actual childcare costs. Which is jkust fine in my books, but the first six years were hell.
A wink is as good as a nod, and I shall now avoid him like plague.
@Falconer
This attitude annoys the hell out of me. “Why should I have to pay child support? My ex went on vacation/wears nice clothes/is dating someone who paid for dinner once!” You have to pay child support, you great asshole, because you are still the parent of that child and partially responsible for that child. By that logic, if a non-custodial parent has money enough to purchase a vehicle, they should probably give that money to the custodial parent, because as soon as you have a kid you’re no longer to ever spend money on things you want! Even things that will benefit both you and the child!
@Viscaria
“You have to pay child support, you great asshole, because you are still the parent of that child and partially responsible for that child.”
That’s incorrect. Custody = parenthood. If a man is a parent, he has equal custody. If he doesn’t have equal custody and want’s/tried to get equal custody, he’s an ATM for a woman whose kidnapped his child and is using State violence to keep him as an ATM.
They’re always tryin’ to steal me lucky sperms!
Mr Slave, so you’re saying that adults no longer have parents when they move out or turn 18? I mean, their parents no longer have custody of them so…
NWO. NWO, that is just really, really wrong. Non-custodial parents almost always still see their children. It’s… you’re just… no. Anyway, if a non-custodial parent actually doesn’t get to see their kid, and the other parent cannot afford to take good care of that kid, what’s your solution? Fuck the child’s needs, because the other parent needs to be punished for not giving you your “property”? Yeah, that sounds like good parenting material, can`t believe the other parent got custody. 9_9
NWO’s heart just isn’t in his trolling anymore. Perhaps he’s slowly beginning to realize how worthless his cause is, but can’t bear to lose face?
I actually agree with NWOslave about “custody.” The term “parent” is ridiculous when the one who has custody can steal your kids.