Another day, another threat – sorry, prediction – of impending violence towards women from someone on The Spearhead. This time from a fellow called James, in his twenties:
The OLDER MEN simply do not understand what it is like to be a young man today.
I will say one thing though- a very big percent of young men of my generation do not believe in this feminism or white knight bullshit, and they have very little tolerance towards it.
Older men will allow themselves to get ass raped in divorce courts, but the younger men of my generation have no such tolerance.
So if the younger women think they are going to treat the younger men with the same level of hatred that the older women do to the older men, they have a big surprise waiting for them.
1. Either the men will just entirely boycott the younger women
or
2. They will actively fight for their rights, even with force, if it requires it
What I mean by that is, the younger generation of men are much more violent than the older generation. So in plain English, if women think they are going to treat the younger generation of men like shit, then we are going to see a huge increase in violence against women.
In short, the men of my generation are not as willing to tolerate the abuse from man hating women as the older men are. Young women would be very wise to take note of this.
Unfair quote-mining on my part? Not exactly. James got 72 upvotes for this bit of wisdom on The Spearhead, and only 8 downvotes.
Meanwhile, our old friend at the Pro-Male/Anti-Feminist Technology blog highlighted James’ comment in a post of his own, quoting the whole thing, and adding his own spin:
The younger you go on average you will find less tolerance for anything pro-female. This is not surprising. Even looking at my own life, I have been dealing with feminism since I was in elementary school especially if we define feminism correctly as feminine-ism. I remember (female) teachers being pro-female and anti-male going back to first grade. As bad as I had it, it is worse for men younger than me. They’re not going to listen to lies about how women are oppressed because all they have seen with their own eyes are the opposite. …
By 2020 the balance between men who are currently old vs. men who are currently young will have shifted. There will be less old men who remember life pre-feminism. There will be more young men who have spent their entire lives under the feminist jack boot. There will be more men who are completely fed up with women. Around 2020 there will be a lot more men willing to take radical direct action against feminism.
“Radical direct action against feminism?” What does this mean? Generalized violence against women, as James seems to suggest? Firebombing police stations and courthouses, as MRA “martyr” Tom Ball urged in his manifesto? Like most of those in the Men’s Rights movement who like to talk ominously about what they hope will be a massive anti-feminist backlash, the PMAFT blogger is vague about what exactly this might entail. But it’s not hard to connect the dots here.
Protip: MRAs, if you don’t want people to see the Men’s Rights movement as a hate movement — you need to stop posting, stop upvoting, stop even tolerating this kind of hateful shit.
CURSES!!
this is also some shit you made up, fyi
like dude, how do you write something like “men just work HARDER than women, because… um… something something” and not recognize that you’re trading in misogyny?
You don’t know how these studies work, do you? They control for hours worked; men still make more even when women have equal time spent on the job (And I’m pretty sure you just made some shit up about how dudes put in more overtime hours). Men make more when they work the same job, same title, same hours, and have an inferior education. And they have an easier time getting there for their education level too.
Rutee, has there been a salary comparison controlling for job, title, hours worked, and also, actual number of men and women in the study? I think there probably is sort of a wage gap, but it seems to me more due to social pressures than any direct discrimination, because your guys’ citations are always pretty vague.
Find some odd language when looking up Derrick K Miller:
Source
Change might want to have more of a review process for people filing petitions. And why does a guy in Afghanistan care about the US civil justice system?
Hey Dave just out of curiosity why are you here/ commenting? I mean I know you started commenting because of the loveshy thing but now you just seem to be nitpicking and disagreeing with everyone randomly. What do you hope to accomplish here?
Study
In this case, the wage gap and employment disparities will linger as long as the burden of unpaid work falls upon women
Adjusted for factors that could affect pay, like age, race, education, number of children in the household and part-time status, women earn 86 cents for every $1 earned by men. That’s up from 81 cents in 2000.
I would post more but I do not want moderation. And I found these with a two second google search. You should be easily able to do the same. Go read them and quit trolling.
To add to Princessbobob:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male%E2%80%93female_income_disparity_in_the_United_States#References
Plenty of references of studies there, both analyzing industry wage gaps (including same jobs, same hours, everything tends to be controlled for) and how social side cultural conceptions of gender influence both supply and demand models for sex segregation in industries.
Gahh! Princessbonbon. Curse you keyboard!
And bear in mind that the burdens on women tilt those factors against us. It’s all well and good for us to talk about how it is after we control for precise title and job, but then you *also* factor in that women are less likely to be hired for a lot of good positions, less likely to be promoted even if they are superior workers due to negative stereotypes. We are more likely to work part time because they also have to take care of kids. We have more shit to take *at the job itself* in most jobs (Male nurse is one of the few where this is not true, IIRC); women are edged towards lower status (and lower pay) work.
PrincessBobBob is hilarious. 😀 You make a funny Flib!
This is a pretty good, pretty comprehensive study (although it is from 2000), just to add to what others have already cited. I’m horrified that “us guys'” citations are always so vague! Us guys shall go hang ours’s heads in shames.
Dave, seriously? What about the studies are vague?
Never mind, you’re right- apologies for questioning. I’m not an expert on the subject, of course. I’m more interested in providing emotional support for the L-S regulars. That’s my out-group.
Except that literally no one here is (a) typing in an impenetrable word salad, or (b) advocating, excusing, or justifying actual violence against random men because they are pissed at misandrists. Other than that, yeah, exactly parallel.
Then go there and support them. Not sure why you’re here.
The above was to Dave.
@Dave: I’m an academic (humanities, specifically literature), and I’m familiar with the issue of peer review. I also do interdisciplinary work with people in the social sciences (more sociology), and have colleagues who work with statistical methodology. An academic study that did NOT control for variables (in this case, “job, title, hours worked, and also, actual number of men and women in the study” would not even begin to cover all of them) would not be published.
You’ve gotten links by people above. There are LOTS of reputable studies on wage gap that are not, in fact, despite the trolls, comparing executives to secretaries!, but in the same area (women in medical profession earn less than men generally).
You have to think of how you look to us: you swan in here, with no idea who is present (there are professionals who work with social services, with the homeless, and there are academics) and sort of spout off vague commentary like that that could easily be solved with a few moments’ google seach (no, wikipedia is not authoritative necessarily but often does link to studies; and if you put the phrase “site:edu” on your search, you will find publications at American universities, and there is Google scholar) but are demanding people do your homework for you. You probably don’t know enough about these issues to contribute anything to a discussion: as I said, I’m in humanities, but I’ve been active working with feminist and queer and critical race theorists and authors for some years now (early 1980s for the feminist, early 1990s for the queer and critical race). I teach this stuff. There are others here who have similar areas of professional expertise in their fields.
I suggest if you are not in fact trolling, and wish to actually engage in discussion, that you read some past threads, lurk more, and get a better sense of the level of discussion here before trying to engage in any real discussion. If you’re just wanting to troll (and I’m no able to tell myself0, well, then, ignore everything I said.
Hey Dave, what’s your evening height?
@ithiliana, I’m sorry for being presumptuous. To explain, I sort of read this as a humor blog, and not really an advanced sociological/feminist space- but clearly there are a lot of very well-informed people here, which I didn’t realize. Anyway, it’s been nice talking to you all.
going so soon? Funny I was just thinking maybe you aren’t who you say you are….
I know this was PAGES ago, but: DUDE. ASK THEM. USE YOUR WORDS! 😀
@Dave: nobody here defines it as an advanced or sociological or feminist space — but there are people here who are all of those things and more. You aren’t presumptuous so much as ill informed–and even if you were thinking humor, you haven’t exactly brought any humor to the table either. You wanted to address the characterization of the LS site here–you did (I don’t think you convinced anybody but you talked about it)–then, as noted, you sort of hung around making not very well informed claims, and (unless I’m missing something) not trying to really engage or discuss with the regulars here who do have a community/communities.
You can do whatever you want–but the number of trolls here who first come over with a pretense of good fellowship makes people a bit…..aware! You didn’t try to get to know people, or, as I said, learn what goes on here (there are huge strings of hilarious cat macro discussions as well as the advanced stuff). But if you’re going make claims about well established scholarship on gender issues OR cats, you’d be better off with some background knowledge. that’s true for any site.