Another day, another threat – sorry, prediction – of impending violence towards women from someone on The Spearhead. This time from a fellow called James, in his twenties:
The OLDER MEN simply do not understand what it is like to be a young man today.
I will say one thing though- a very big percent of young men of my generation do not believe in this feminism or white knight bullshit, and they have very little tolerance towards it.
Older men will allow themselves to get ass raped in divorce courts, but the younger men of my generation have no such tolerance.
So if the younger women think they are going to treat the younger men with the same level of hatred that the older women do to the older men, they have a big surprise waiting for them.
1. Either the men will just entirely boycott the younger women
or
2. They will actively fight for their rights, even with force, if it requires it
What I mean by that is, the younger generation of men are much more violent than the older generation. So in plain English, if women think they are going to treat the younger generation of men like shit, then we are going to see a huge increase in violence against women.
In short, the men of my generation are not as willing to tolerate the abuse from man hating women as the older men are. Young women would be very wise to take note of this.
Unfair quote-mining on my part? Not exactly. James got 72 upvotes for this bit of wisdom on The Spearhead, and only 8 downvotes.
Meanwhile, our old friend at the Pro-Male/Anti-Feminist Technology blog highlighted James’ comment in a post of his own, quoting the whole thing, and adding his own spin:
The younger you go on average you will find less tolerance for anything pro-female. This is not surprising. Even looking at my own life, I have been dealing with feminism since I was in elementary school especially if we define feminism correctly as feminine-ism. I remember (female) teachers being pro-female and anti-male going back to first grade. As bad as I had it, it is worse for men younger than me. They’re not going to listen to lies about how women are oppressed because all they have seen with their own eyes are the opposite. …
By 2020 the balance between men who are currently old vs. men who are currently young will have shifted. There will be less old men who remember life pre-feminism. There will be more young men who have spent their entire lives under the feminist jack boot. There will be more men who are completely fed up with women. Around 2020 there will be a lot more men willing to take radical direct action against feminism.
“Radical direct action against feminism?” What does this mean? Generalized violence against women, as James seems to suggest? Firebombing police stations and courthouses, as MRA “martyr” Tom Ball urged in his manifesto? Like most of those in the Men’s Rights movement who like to talk ominously about what they hope will be a massive anti-feminist backlash, the PMAFT blogger is vague about what exactly this might entail. But it’s not hard to connect the dots here.
Protip: MRAs, if you don’t want people to see the Men’s Rights movement as a hate movement — you need to stop posting, stop upvoting, stop even tolerating this kind of hateful shit.
I love the weird classism. hurhurrr you all are poor and miserable! I get to see the world while you poor 70 year old’s can’t!!
Shorter Nick: Why don’t you believe me and fall over yourselves to comfort me when I use my implausible personal experiences as an excuse to generalize about the evils of women and feminists? THIS MONEY CAN’T HUG ME, INTERNET/PEOPLE ABOUT WHOM I AM GENERALIZING! YOU ARE ALL HORRIBLE!
How confused do you think he’ll be when he discovers the existence of Asian feminists?
I have a really hard time pitying anyone who inherited two million dollars, tbh.
I’m supposed to envy someone who needs 2 mil to get laid?
@cloudiah
One of the related videos to the one you posted is a dog wailing to Adele. She even manages to depress dogs!!
Oh, if he weren’t lying, I would have pity for him, at least as far as the death of his parents go. I’d much rather have my two parents healthy and alive than two million dollars. It’s just when he starts saying stuff like
where, like, man, what kind of fucking asshole would view an inheritance gained from his parents’ murder-suicide in such a way? “My mom killed my dad and then herself, but I got a buncha money from it so FUCKYEAH! I deserve it!”
“Emma, do you see any potential problems that might result from people using violence when a court case is decided against them?”
Yes, I would agree that any man getting married today shouldn’t act surprised after he signs the contract and bad things happen to him – one should observe and be able to read. However, men often don’ think it will happen to them and go for it anyway, and it sometimes ends in tears and death when courts rob the man. But I’m not talking about justification. I’m answering your question – and I agree that what happens is very problematic – the system sets men up, and women along with them. To avoid the problem OP talks about, the laws that set people up simply need to be modified.
“They don’t just look for reasons to hate women; they come by that hate honestly.”
To begin with, yes. Later, sometimes superfluous reasons get added, which I don’t agree with. And a lot of the time it’s deep mistrust rather than hate. They were even nicer to me than you are, despite mistrust.
“Doubtful.”
Yes, perhaps you’re right – i was never that fanatical about it, just ignorant.
“What would an MRA have to say for you to think he had crossed a line and was being unfair to women? Could that even happen?”
Read my blogpost and see: http://emmatheemo.wordpress.com/2012/03/31/dont-be-team-man-be-team-truth-and-justice/
(don’t bother adressing the line about male feminists, some male feminists are like that, but it doesn’t have to apply to YOU, so leave it)
“right now you are tolerating men attacking women with for “treating them shitty”.”
I was talking about abuse, not mere words. I wouldn’t tolerate anyone causing me harm. Words don’t cause people reasonable harm. If they did, this site would become illegal for “abuse” and violence.
“I guess we should tolerate angry racist rants who have “bad experiences” with POC right? or do you only excuse hate when its directed at women?”
Again, these are words. Hate doesn’t need to be excused, it’s a feeling and we have no thought crime. My thinking process goes beyond “he seems angry and hateful, let’s mock him”, I also try to see why someone is angry and how it can be fixed for everyone’s good. That means yes, I would try to see if a racist is just a mindless racist, or has a reason to feel the way he does, or use the logic that he does. Doing this doesn’t lead me to hating other races myself, or condoning violence against them. Because sometimes, what you see is pure frustration, and sometimes it’s logic. It’s important to remember this before you decide to simply go ahead and mock – you might be missing something. So far, i got somewhere with understanding MRAs, but I still don’t understand people on this site. But I do want to.
“Uhuh and where did you gain this knowledge? ”
Grew something called empathy through life experience. That thing that allows you to look beyond yourself and your own kind to see how people different from you feel and think.
“So their misogyny is justified right? Just say it.”
They frustration is, but misogyny? No. No reason to hate all women if some have hurt you. However, I date an MRA and once you treat them nice, they treat you nice, no matter how angry and hateful they sound in their internet rants.
“In your mind is it acceptable for someone to get mad every time something doesn’t go their way?”
No. But whether I find it acceptable or not has absolutely no bearing on whether violence against women will increase or not, due to unfair laws and men “wising up” . See why I say it’s not a threat?
And about kids. Some compare it to being raped. Apparently it can feel that bad. Feeling murderous towards your rapist is not considered insane. There is even a whole movie genre about it called rape-revenge.
” I’m not justifying it – you might as well say I’m justifying vehicular manslaughter if I say “don’t stand in the middle of the highway, you will be run over and die”.”
Gotta love the good old “I’m not justifying it, I’m just comparing it to a situation in which you are the one at fault for expecting otherwise and you literally have it coming to you.”
If anyone needs a laugh after that, Google just unveiled their Really Advanced Search page.
@Shadow, I howl like that when I hear Adele. 😉
@Holly
But heaven forfend we intimate that he’s racist!!
Nick, I believe you.
But your experiences don’t give you the right to hate all women or oppose equal rights for women.
Do you feel that a woman who has been the victim of violence by men would be justified in joining anti-male groups, fighting to oppress men, and making anti-male comments?
Of course not. So don’t do that.
Thanks.
This is a nice thing. It is better than Nick.
Yum.
Dammit, I say one hour and it’s two minutes. At least my guess was the shortest.
@cloudiah
Anytime I hear Adele all I think is “Adele, you so talented!! Why you gotta use it to make me want to kill myself!! :(“
By the way, one time a tyrannosaurus rex challenged me to a fight on the moon. I then looked him straight in the eyes, put my foot down, and told him to stop acting like such a jerk. He was so frightened, he apologized to me and gave me 18 trillion pounds of gold. True story, by Kendra the bionic badass.
I want Kladle to draw a picture of this. (Are you going to use your money to buy some hot Thai men?)
Another contra-reality idiot, I see.
Yeah, I’m sure all this outrage is levelled against the incredibly rare cases where the dude is actually screwed, as opposed to the more common cases where, for instance, a woman sacrifices a career for kids and then is awarded alimony….
I love it when stupid people invoke the spectre of thought crime against mockery (or any other criticism) of people’s idiotic beliefs!
Oh white people. And just what is it that’s supposed to ‘logically’ underlie racist jackassery, exactly?
Unfair what?.
Because you are fooled by paper thin excuses, or think we are?
What’s all this then?
See, Emma, empathy and trying to see where people are coming from … all that’s great. The thing is, most people actually do react to things and have reasons for being sad, angry, happy, or whatever. And sometimes understanding those reasons will make some kind of difference: for example, when giving voice to your understanding will provide some kind of comfort to another person, or when the person experiencing the emotion/action doesn’t understand his reasons and understanding where it’s coming from will make a difference and help him change.
More often, though, when someone is behaving inappropriately, the most important thing is to stop that inappropriate behavior. And frankly, the reasons the MRAs are providing for their irrational hatred (she deserved it because she stole my house/job/children/had an affair/didn’t say “hi” nicely enough) are at bottom excuses. In the vast majority of cases, I am positive these MRAs have always been sexist assholes; it’s just that now, post divorce or whatever, they have a sob story that they can point to as a reason they’ve always known those bitches are bitches.
How do I know that? Because most people actually don’t decide that half the planet is worthless based on one or two or even several incidents. Most people don’t use the fact that they’ve had a bad divorce or didn’t date the person they wanted to date as a reason to call 50% of humanity names and make vague (and not so vague) threats against them. That’s bullshit, Emma.
Think he’ll still be so nice if you say, do or wear something he doesn’t like? What if you break up? I doubt his rants will be fun then.
Wahaha! That’s right, that’s why MRAL was such a little jackass. He wasn’t treated ‘nice’.
It’s been awhile since anyone played the MRA theme song, it’s overdue:
Just as a reminder, her boyfriend is the “Rape Is Equality” guy, so yeah. He’s actually just misunderstood, though. All she has to do to stay in his good graces is have a really low self-esteem and feel ugly and sexually worthless to everyone. It’s cool.
@Rutee: OMG you’re talking about He Who Shall Not Be Named Even With First and Last Initial! That means he HAD to make another sockpuppet and come comment. YOU ARE FORCING HIM TO COMMENT!
Emma is ridiculous. The issues she mentions happen to women more often, and have throughout history. Have women retaliated with violence? If the perception is “yes” then is that excused by these same people weeping for the poor mras? I won’t say “men” because the bulk of men I know, the good, the bad, and the uggos, don’t react to things as MRAs under any circumstance that I’ve seen.
I could see my ex with felony DVs on his record maybe saying “hey yeah” for a second and a half at some of their rhetoric… but he wouldn’t be able to keep a straight face. He’d only be checking mine for my reaction. He says stupid things sometimes, like when he claims he was in trouble ‘because you called the cops’, so the next time they found his girlfriend with bruises and took a report from her, then he was in big trouble, you know ‘because of that time when you called the cops.’ Not because of what he did, or the shiner I had or the phones ripped out of the walls (felony in Cali… you can’t try to cut off people’s communication).
But… I don’t even see him in his never-take-responsibility-bubble being able to keep a straight face making the MRA arguments.
I don’t see the excuses going both ways with this “Bash a Violent Bitch Month” attitude and agenda. So Emma, come off it.
And there’s no system stacked up against men. Take your tinfoil hat off, stop drinking the Kool Aid, and whatever other shopworn metaphor applies.
I love how “they’re fine unless you upset them” is being used as an example of how wonderful MRAs are. Wild boars are fine if nothing upsets them. I’m more interested in how easy someone is to upset and how far they’ll go when they feel upset. MRAs don’t seem to score well on those measures.
And nobody else gets to be “fine unless you upset them”. Standard only applies to them.
Because MRAs are both intelligent and articulate and have such a deep vision of life. I used to be sympathetic to MRAs because I used to believe some of their points. But then I found out what assholes they are.
Some woman-hates? Are you serious?
False rape accusations: Complete bogus. Most rapes are unreported for both women and me. When a woman reports, sexist police officers will dismiss it as crying wolf or overexagerating. When a man reports, those same sexist police officers will laugh at him.
This behavior has nothing to do with some feminist conspiracy.
Divorce robbing: A fairy tale. Husband and wife usually get near equal custody of children. The child hangs out with mother for some time, and the child hangs out with father another time. When the father challenges for custody for court he has a fair chance of winning. Usually the mother has domicile or primary custody because she is recognized as the primary caretaker.
My friend’s parents went through a very bitter divorce lately. Both parents spent thousands of dollars and hours in court, slandered the other party, and indoctrinated my friend to hate the other parent. Where is the MRA dystopia of all power automatically awarded to the mother here?