Another day, another threat – sorry, prediction – of impending violence towards women from someone on The Spearhead. This time from a fellow called James, in his twenties:
The OLDER MEN simply do not understand what it is like to be a young man today.
I will say one thing though- a very big percent of young men of my generation do not believe in this feminism or white knight bullshit, and they have very little tolerance towards it.
Older men will allow themselves to get ass raped in divorce courts, but the younger men of my generation have no such tolerance.
So if the younger women think they are going to treat the younger men with the same level of hatred that the older women do to the older men, they have a big surprise waiting for them.
1. Either the men will just entirely boycott the younger women
or
2. They will actively fight for their rights, even with force, if it requires it
What I mean by that is, the younger generation of men are much more violent than the older generation. So in plain English, if women think they are going to treat the younger generation of men like shit, then we are going to see a huge increase in violence against women.
In short, the men of my generation are not as willing to tolerate the abuse from man hating women as the older men are. Young women would be very wise to take note of this.
Unfair quote-mining on my part? Not exactly. James got 72 upvotes for this bit of wisdom on The Spearhead, and only 8 downvotes.
Meanwhile, our old friend at the Pro-Male/Anti-Feminist Technology blog highlighted James’ comment in a post of his own, quoting the whole thing, and adding his own spin:
The younger you go on average you will find less tolerance for anything pro-female. This is not surprising. Even looking at my own life, I have been dealing with feminism since I was in elementary school especially if we define feminism correctly as feminine-ism. I remember (female) teachers being pro-female and anti-male going back to first grade. As bad as I had it, it is worse for men younger than me. They’re not going to listen to lies about how women are oppressed because all they have seen with their own eyes are the opposite. …
By 2020 the balance between men who are currently old vs. men who are currently young will have shifted. There will be less old men who remember life pre-feminism. There will be more young men who have spent their entire lives under the feminist jack boot. There will be more men who are completely fed up with women. Around 2020 there will be a lot more men willing to take radical direct action against feminism.
“Radical direct action against feminism?” What does this mean? Generalized violence against women, as James seems to suggest? Firebombing police stations and courthouses, as MRA “martyr” Tom Ball urged in his manifesto? Like most of those in the Men’s Rights movement who like to talk ominously about what they hope will be a massive anti-feminist backlash, the PMAFT blogger is vague about what exactly this might entail. But it’s not hard to connect the dots here.
Protip: MRAs, if you don’t want people to see the Men’s Rights movement as a hate movement — you need to stop posting, stop upvoting, stop even tolerating this kind of hateful shit.
Casandra,
“This is actually one of my biggest concerns with the MRM, and the reason I can’t completely ignore it. I have no idea what this guy’s mental health status is (and neither does anyone else here), but I do worry that for men who’re psychologically vulnerable if they were to run across some of those sites during a time in their lives where their mental health wasn’t doing so well it could provide the impetus needed to push them towards acting out in violent ways rather than getting help.”
Good point Casandra. I found the MRM sites after my mother killed my father and then killed herself. My dad cheated on my mom quite a bit, so she decided that the appropriate response was to take her own, and my fathers life.
I then proceeded to try and find solace in my family. My aunt the SRS worker, another aunt who works for Head Start, and another who was a defense attorney in Boston and San Antonio provided me with very little, to no emotional support. I have some uncles and another aunt, but the three aunts were the family that lived the closest, and so they were the ones I tried to turn to. They were dismissive of my problems and abandoned me when I needed them. They labeled me as “angry,” and have gotten the word out about my “anger issues” to the rest of my family. I guess I just couldn’t understand why these liberal minded, social justice fighting women had very little interest in trying to help with what I was going through. So yes, I guess I did become angry.
Next I tried to get some help at the local mental health clinics. Basically what I found was that because I was a white male there very little interest in trying to treat my problems and see that I get better. I wouldn’t say that the clinics and people I saw were first rate, or that they went all out for the women they were treating, but I did see a difference in the treatment.
While in treatment, if you want to call it that, one of the drugs I was prescribed was called Geodon. I ended up developing tardive dyskinesia in my neck from the drug. When my dyskinesia was at it’s worst, a female psychiatrist took over my treatment. She prescribed a drug called Clozaril to help with the dyskinesia. The drug did nothing for my neck, but I did end up gaining over 100 lbs on it. At one time she floated the idea that my dyskinesia was psychosomatic. Finally got help with my dyskinesia from the Cleveland Clinic, but you know what Casandra, I sure didn’t get very much help with my mental health when I went looking for it.
I’m not going to go into my grade school and junior high days, but the talk of male bias in the school system makes me laugh. Most of you on here are around 75, right? That’s all I can come up with.
So for whatever reason that myself, and other “messed up men” might choose to enjoy sites that speak truthfully about the majority of women in western cultures, I wouldn’t get to upset about it. As the tub of goo who runs this site has put so succinctly, “where is the activism??”
Nothing to worry about really, you still have the clear upper hand on most issues. Though keep pretending like you don’t, it’s a great strategy.
And when you call B.S. on my story, I get it, it’s just easier that way. Anyways, on with the snark and mockery! Some real “activism” you got going on here as well.
Mags, panc is the MRA who extremist MRAs ban from their websites for being too extreme
Ok, I know everyone hates me here, but read between the lines 🙂
“So in plain English, if women think they are going to treat the younger generation of men like shit, then we are going to see a huge increase in violence against women.”
Women treat men like shit –> men respond with same. Surely not different from a woman saying “don’t try to harm me, or I will pepperspray you in the eyes”?.
“In short, the men of my generation are not as willing to tolerate the abuse from man hating women as the older men are. Young women would be very wise to take note of this.”
Abuse. From man-hating women. Why tolerate it? I won’t tolerate abuse from women-hating men either. It’s not unfair quote-mining, David, it’s that you could have picked something a lot worse to make fun of, real misogyny, instead of this angry, defensive shit men express when they feel cornered by the laws and courts and unfairness of it all.
I don’t know this commenter, maybe he IS saying “stop being abusive or else”, maybe he IS a hateful person, but he might also be stating what he sees as a fact. If one group of people treats another group of people like shit, it’s unreasonable to expect that other group to take it forever. It’s not even a threat anymore, but an expression of cause and effect. “If you do A, be aware that B is likely to result”.
Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) does seem to crazy extreme. Is he the same PAN who swindled a bunch of people out of 2 million? If you look at “the courtesan” website, he makes an offer to go into business with whores. I wonder how that worked out.
Not sure about any confirmation of swindling, there was some mention of it on the now deleted peternolanpsychopath blog. They transferred some information to the Peternolanstalker blog, apparently an author/journalist is collecting information on him to perhaps publish a book on him.
Ive read some of his comments on the courtesan website, I love how he talks to her like she is a friend and she completely ignores him, lol.
Nick, nice job with the “if you make fun of me or say my story isn’t true then I win a million times infinity” routine there. Well, I don’t give a crap about appearing fair or balanced or kind. I personally think you’re either lying or you’re an idiot. Your story is damn near the same as every other “EVIL WIMMINS SCREWED UP MY LIFE” jackass who finds their way over here to tell us manginas and white knights what’s what, with the usual adjustments made to the debilitating disability that was misdiagnosed or maltreated by women and the female friends/family members/professional people who’ve kicked the plucky male protagonist while he’s down. It’s the same old script treated to yet another minor rewrite and I’m tired of it. I’m tired of listening to every whiner like you with an axe to grind who claims women treat him badly while ranting about how he wants to punch women in the face for looking at him funny or not saying “hi” back. I’m tired of you dirtbags claiming you’re not violent while you warn women that they’d better start acting more feminine and submissive or else there’ll be consequences. I’m tired of you making martyrs out of cowardly murderers like George Sodini. I’m tired of you saying you’re not racists or bigots while you embrace people who compare interracial relationships to bestiality. But you know what I’m really tired of? What really gives me the shits about people like you?
When you come here looking for pity.
Or understanding. Or a fucking cookie. Or whatever kind of validation you desire that you think you deserve despite the fact that you come here spilling your bile all over the place, wearing your hate like a badge of honor and daring us all to wound you further. You stomp in here looking for a fight and when you get one, you cry and say it’s unfair. You mock our compassion for others because it isn’t extended to you. You call us hypocrites for not being kind to you when you hurl slander and threats at us. Well too fucking bad. You want a place where everybody treats you like the special little snowflake you know you are and everyone will nod along in agreement when you talk about how all women are trash who don’t know their place anymore but SOMEDAY THEY WILL BY GOD, go fuck off back to your buddies. They won’t challenge you (unless you fuck up on some preciously-held bit of Man Law), they won’t attack you (unless it suits them or you show weakness in their eyes) and they’ll read every line of your sob stories (until they get bored). It’s safe for you there. But not here. This is where the monsters you fear live.
Now get off my fucking lawn.
Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) does seem to crazy extreme. Is he the same PAN who swindled a bunch of people out of 2 million?
I dunno? Where did that happen. o:
Nick’s comment is also sort of a non-response to my comment. I don’t see anything much in there about the ways in which the MRM has helped him, just a bunch of stuff about how terrible his family and the social services system is (and it seems to be implied that they’re terrible because they’re women). Which isn’t an unusual way for people to argue on the internet, but that doesn’t mean that it makes any sense in context.
And nope, not in the habit of calling people liars. The system fails people all the time, unfortunately. The only part where I’m going to tell you that you’re wrong is the assumption that when the system fails people it’s because it’s biased against men because feminists are evil.
Right the fuck on, MertvayaRuka (nice to see you again, BTW!).
A million troy ounces of gold to you, sir.
“I’m a misogynist who thinks all women are bitches, why don’t women like me and want to be my support system? WHY?!”
Typical. Nick came here so he could say “the feminists were mean to me!” So he could go back to whatever MRM rock he crawled out from under with a scrap for their approval.
Sorry the system failed you Nick, but that’s not on us.
K, whoa. Have you seen the shit he sent out to the Australian police and officials? He declares by way of Legal Notice amongst others that there’s a new court in town (well, in Australia, but you know what I mean), that this new court will henceforth be the highest court of Australia and that anyone who chooses not to submit will be dealt with as outlaws without human or property rights.
He then *orders* the police to do many things, including not coming to the aid of “outlaws”, not believing rape victims, not believing DV victims, etc.
I couldn’t make this shit up for a dystopia if I *tried*
Legal Notice to Peace Officers
Another thing I’ve noticed is that MRAs talk a big line about personal responsibility and how feminists are nothing more than professional victims, but when the rubber meets the road and they feel wronged, they have no problem asking women to bat clean up and they wallow in their slighted feelings like pigs in shit.
cool story bro
Most of you on here are around 75, right? That’s all I can come up with.
As far as declared ages, I think the youngest declared poster (a troll) was 18 (he of course knows just like Tom Martin that all skools discriminate against men). I’m 56.
But we also tend to rely more on you know evidence beyond our personal experience–a lot of us including those of us who work in educational institutions are not happy with the ways in which the system works, but we see problems for both men and women at all ages/stages.
But you go ahead and keep believing what you believing. Given that, why do you expect any sympathy from us? I bet you think we’re all women,, too!
26 here, yo. *Very* glad I was no longer in high school when No Child Left Behind started.
Also, Nick, while people here are involved in activism, this is not an activist site. Don’t you people ever read the header?
LOL Mertra, and you accuse MRA’s of having emotional issues. Yeah, your response doesn’t at all read like someone who has a multitude of emotional problems. And as far as looking for pity, or whatever it is you lovely people think it is I’m looking for, I can promise you, I expected none.
Once again, I have dealt with feminists in my family, dealt with them in the mental health field, in fact my mother who murdered my father was a feminist. So Mert, to say I would be surprised at anything you could say in regards to my post, well, that would just not be the case. I know how evil most of you are. I have seen it up close. And no, your little internet rant is not going to hurt, shame, or make me go cry. I’m pretty sure though that you need way more help than I do.
Any sane, non-feminist who was to read both of our posts, could easily conclude that you are much more capable of violence than I am.
What say you David??
And since METRA wants to play a rather interesting version of the blame game, then what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. I blame everyone on this site for the murder of my father. Since none of you take the issue of female on male violence all that seriously, you are all to blame and can go straight to fucking hell. I see commercial after commercial talking about how bad violence against women is. All I hear from my government is how violent males are. Feminists spend 99% of their time talking up violence against women, and act like violence against men is not happening. So kindly get the fuck off my lawn as well Metra.
Wow, that does feel good Met.
Casandra, the social services in my town is made up of nothing but women. And yes, they did fail me. Women make up most of the social service jobs in this country. I’m going to guess quite a few of them are feminists. Not all hate men, but enough do. And from MY EXPERIENCE they were more concerned with your genders problems than mine.
The mens right movement has given me a place where I can vent about my frustrations, and problems. A lot of which has been caused by women. I’m not sure I understand what you mean by “the argument doesn’t make sense in context.” I think I was pretty clear. Why wouldn’t someone like myself join a site where men discuss their problems the problems that women have caused them? Or do feminists not do that? I guess you could try and tell me you don’t, but I’m pretty sure Metra just called me a racist, a bigot, and a fan of George Sodoni. And that was the very first response to my post. The blame game goes only one way I’m guessing??
Hellkell, like I said, I have experienced the bullying treatment of feminists more than a few times up close. It’s not a shock that you ramp it up on the internet, nor is it something I’m going to “go back to my MRM rock” to talk about. You and Metra act like it’s some kind of shocking secret how awful you guys are. “Hey guys you will not believe how terrible these feminists are!!!” It’s known.
I doubt your sorry the system failed me. But it did, and almost all the women I dealt with in the system were crap. Most probably feminists.
Nick, if your story’s true it’s horrific.
But you think the MRM can help? What social services do they offer, what support do they give? You can’t sleep on an MRA’s couch and you can’t get counseling from one. You won’t get spare change for a sandwich out of an MRA. These are things they could do to help other men right now, no feminist or government cooperation needed, and they don’t.
All they do is hate women. They give men NOTHING of value except the chance to hate women together.
That’s supernice from someone who gained 100 pounds on a medication and wants us to believe that men have more empathy toward men.
And for what it’s worth: The activism is offline. Here is where we point and laugh.
Maya, I wish it was a “cool story bro.” Unfortunately, but apparently fortunately 😉 for the members of MANBOOBZ it’s not.
Hellkell, I forgot to add that about a year-and-half ago two detectives showed up at my house, claiming that a woman I had went on date with had accused of me of sexual assualt. I’m not sure what she said, but I guess when she went down on me I somehow forced her to do it. I wouldn’t cooperate with them, and refused to talk. They kept calling me to come to the station and just “talk,” but I guess her side of the story was kind of hard to believe. Also there was there would have been no evidence of any sexual assault. Anyways, they had no case. They knew it, and I knew it.
Mantra, feel free to tell me how I’m a rapist and just don’t know it. Extra points will be added for the number of times the words patriarchy and male privilege are used.
And I will gladly admit that I need to take personal responsibility for my life, just as soon as you admit that the system has been gamed to favor a certain fairer, more empathetic sex.
Abee, you are right. Calling him that was out of line. I have lost a lot of the weight and tried to take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for my weight, but I know how hard it is and will admit I was wrong.
Nick, what are you attempting to accomplish here?
Making us feel bad for being murderous, 75-year-old jerks, I think.