Evidently I posted that last Tom Martin post too soon: the self-professed sexismbuster – who recently had his “anti-male discrimination” case against the London School of Economics thrown out of court — wasn’t finished telling us about how women are all a bunch of lying whores. (Sorry: All but 3 percent of women, that is.) So here are few more pearls of wisdom from Tom, all collected from the comments here since the last post a couple of days ago.
As you read these, remember that Mr. Martin has been something of a cause celebre in the Men’s Rights movement, hailed as a fighter for true equality.
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[M]ost women and feminists absolutely hate the idea of compulsory paternity tests.
Even though paternity tests would reduce male paranoia and controlling behaviour, as they’d have automatic verification the child was actually theirs, we can see my these reactions, women would rather perpetuate “the patriarchy” by perpetuating male uncertainty. …
If we tell women to find the father and get him tested and verified pronto – or face a huge fine and a six month spell of National Service – she’ll find the father every time.
Every time a woman has sex, she’ll be thinking I better get this guy’s details, or I’m going to the Gulag. She’ll get the details.
I pointed out in an essay on hard seating in a museum, that the discomfort for men is compunded by not only having smaller weight-bearing buttock pads than women, but by being heavier than women, so having more weight bearing down onto a smaller area – and that the problem is compounded further still, by people not taking the complaint seriously.
This inhabitants of this website are compounded shite trying their best to block equality wherever it might happen.
David Futrelle is a huge winner:
Remember, your leader, David Futrelle is a douche, who cannot or does not want to distinguish between a men’s equality issues and misogyny.
He made a judgment call with this article and got it wrong.
If its his job to get things wrong, then he is a huge winner.
A pre-sex contract would … go a long way to eradicating many false rape allegations.
It would also make people think about the consequences of unprotected sex, so reduce unwanted pregnancies and children in the first place.
It would also end the entrapment culture, where a women tries her best to get knocked up by someone rich then hit them up for huge child support payments.
It would also reduce instances of sperm theft – as there would be less incentive to impregnate oneself this way with an unwilling and financially inoculated against entrapment father to be.
It would also reduce women’s motives to lie about being on the pill when not – as less incentive for entrapment – so less unplanned pregnancies for men to deal with.
The pre-sex contract could be a simple, quick, application on a mobile phone which records the man and woman’s voice, or videos it, so eradicating fraud. It does not to be a four page document in triplicate.
It takes one word to establish when sex is not wanted, “No” so it need not take many more to establish whether in the event of an unwanted pregnancy, the protagonists agree to the normal financial and caregiving responsibilities and consequences or not.
Currently, because women have all the contraception options and men only one, it should fall on the woman to establish whether effective contraception is being used or not – where as, the current system says men should ‘keep it in their pants’ which fails to acknowledge that the woman equally fails to keep it in her pants, and has effective contraception and abortion and adoption options, where the man doesn’t. So, the woman should be held a bit more accountable than she currently is for unwanted pregnancies. It’s win/win (but whore lose).
What could possibly go wrong with giving the government video footage of all sexual acts?
[I]f you want to eradicate absolutely all false allegations, and eradicate the chances of acquaintance rapists getting away with it too, then you need an app on your phone which can record the sound and picture whilst people have sex, but which cannot be played back, as it is instantly scrambled, and sent to a central data agency, where it stays scrambled, and can only be unscrambled by a police investigator in the event of a false I mean in the event of a rape allegation.
If people don’t make a rape allegation within a few weeks or whatever, the scrambled data is automatically deleted anyway.
So, I’ve just cut the rate of false rape claims and the rate of rapists getting away with it.
Fuck your civil rights you lying whores:
We will only ever know the precise rate of false rape allegations when fMRI lie detector brain scans are administered on everyone who claims they were raped (which I am all for – fuck your civil rights you lying whores).
Rape’s real victims: the cops who have to listen to all those whores lying about being raped
STOP LYING ABOUT RAPE YOU WHORES!
Seriously, its so demoralizing working on a rape unit, that the cop who processes the rape claim now gets moved onto another case, so they don’t get corrupted by the realization that so many women are lying and then miss the odd real one due to overwhelming skepticism.
Fem whores will always resist anything that holds rape accusers to account.
They know.
The End … or is it?
*there is a game
RE: Kyrie
The is a card game called Scopa that I stopped playing alone with my BF because he’s a sore loser when it comes to this precise game. So now, he doesn’t lose any more.
BAHAHAHA
So… essentially, here is Tom’s plan for women:
– Record yourself having sex, and make sure you get the guy’s details or you’ll go to jail. Also make sure to sign a contract, which will eliminate all problems that can occur, like sperm-jacking or entrapment or… what, rape? Nah, doesn’t happen if you just say no!
– It is your responsibility to find the possible father whenever a pregnancy occurs, or you’ll be sent to jail for failing to do the paternity test.
– It is your responsibility to decide whether there is enough contraception or not, and therefore your fault if there is an unwanted pregnancy.
Simplicity itself! No more will the major problems of sex (false accusations, sperm-jacking, entrapment) be an issue! Tom Martin has saved the day!
Of course, in the rare case that a man does in fact ignore all of these things you do and rape you anyway, you probably deserved it and were asking for it you lying whore.
Kirby – And here’s Tom’s plan for men:
-Record yourself having sex and getting consent for sex, but if you don’t, that’s okay, it doesn’t prove you raped her. Hell, maybe it proves you were never there at all!
-If you father a child, it is entirely the mother’s job to track you down. You can fuck off to Bermuda the next morning if you like, and it’s her problem if she can’t find you.
-When you get tracked down in Bermuda, you can decide whether you’d like that child to “count” or not. If you decide not, well, no harm no foul, go back to your life as you were living it, sorry to bother you sir.
Totally equitable with his plan for women.
(To be fair, I suppose these are really plans for “people who can get someone pregnant” versus “people who can get pregnant,” but, um, yay, trans-inclusive ludicrously impractical and hateful schemes?)
I put myself through the first two years of university by working as a CNA in a nursing home. There was one particularly unpleasant old woman who called all the staff whores. She didn’t have Alzheimer’s. She was just really hateful. Every day it was “when is that whore going to serve breakfast?” or “tell one of them whores I need some help.” Whores this and whores that. That’s who Tom Martin reminds me of.
Now I wonder is 97 % of transmen are whore, on the account of being born without a penis. And what’s the rate of whoreness for men? We know David is one, and I suppose all the male feminists too, but what for the general population?
Wasn’t that the moral of War Games?
All I can think is that Tom Martin’s ass must really be hurting him, if hard chairs cause him to spew this much vitriol.
Dude, that could easily be one of any number of medical conditions, some of which are serious. Hie thy hiney to a doctor!
I’m curious now. Does Tom actually want people to be having sex? The answer kinda hinges upon whether “whore” actally means “person who has a lot of sex” or “generally bad person.”
If the former, then it would make sense that he is trying to erect as many barriers and inconveniences to having sex as possible. Sorta like how some states are doing all they can to make abortion practically impossible if not legally so.
If the latter, I dunno what’s going on. Even I, as a man and penis-haver, would not want to take part in this system.
Is anything this guy says on the level?
He sounds just like Triumph, The Insult Comic Dog.
I think Tom wants men to be having heterosexual sex, but not women.
It’s… a complicated philosophy.
RE: Dani Alexis
AAAAH flashbacks of terrible movie!
*looks up at past comments* Wow, I get DUMB when I don’t eat… lesson learned.
RE: Kyrie
Well, I have a husband, and we rely on each other. So yes. By Tom Martin’s standard, I am a whore.
The proper term is ‘Republican.’
Because, you know, if it were really about adhering to biblical values of no sex before marriage, they’d be drafting legislation to outlaw condoms and make impregnating someone outside of marriage an actual crime.
/political soap box
Holly: VR wives!
LBT: I dunno, he did said that most women who out earn their husband are still whore because they talk to them and it’s annoying or something. I really really would like to know what the criteria are, because they’re really unclear.
He also said that was it Beyoncé? ( I’m terrible at pop culture and names) is a whore because even though she’s rich, she has a song about marrying if you expect a LTR/really love someone. Which somehow meant she expect men to pay her electricity bill, even though she’s rich enough to pay someone to follow her around and turn the lights on and off on demand.
The best I’ve got so far is Holly’s list and the assumption that being a woman isn’t a necessary or sufficient condition to be a whore, it really help.
I guess if we had examples of non-whores, it would help.
A little off topic, but this has been bugging me since I couldn’t find the numbers last time (I was looking for births inside of marriages, but it turns out you just need the number of births).
A paternity test runs from $450 to $500. In 2009, there were 4.1 million live births in the US. source
This works out to between 1.9 to 2.1 billion dollars on mandated paternity tests. Since the estimated rates of paternity fraud are around 3.7%, that’s about $1.9 billion in completely unnecessary costs a year.
With the current system of paternity tests when there is actually a dispute, the incidence of paternity fraud is around 26.9%. Less money spent on better results, and it’s unclear if there is any significant number of cases that are fraud but not disputed.
I guess according to Tom about 87% of non-disputed cases are fraud. ^_^
kirbywarp, thanks for crunching the numbers. Luckily, it should be easy to raise that $2.1 billion by taxing everyone who owns a vagina — Tom’s whore tax in action!
Now can someone crunch the numbers for storing and maintaining that vast video archive Tom proposed and Antz endorsed? We need to know, in order to calculate the whore tax!
LBT:
“Abstinence isn’t actually a form of birth control. It’s just… not doing it. Saying abstinence is like birth control is like saying that never playing a game is a way to avoid ever losing.”
I had to, in my present relationship, use abstinence as our birth control method due to ongoing health issues wrt to all other forms while I was on a waiting list for Essure. It is a form of birth control, and it is sometimes the only one people have available.
You know what nearly nonexistant deed is still more common than false rape accusation? Puppy kicking.
Seriously, you assholes need to stop being such transparent misogynists. Either talk about false crime accusations (not just rape – all of them), or fuck off the internet entirely
What the shit? No it isn’t, not in the real world. All a paternity test can do if you have the wrong father is say it’s the wrong father, not point you to the right one. I’m pretty sure that, even if you had a central database of everyone’s DNA accessible, you’d still have to run a test on each and every male until you found them.
Oh, I see, you made my point for me.
Hey, idiot, do you have any idea how much money a dad has to be making for child support to outweigh the actual cost of raising a child?
Not really. Unless the tape runs for substantially longer than the sex itself, it can serve as cover for rape. It’s the same as, well, the idea of a ‘contract’ for sex itself. If we agree to that contract, and you then rape us (I’m not giving you fap material by giving you an idea as to how that might happen), either the court throws the rape out even though you did in fact rape us, or it’s exactly the same as if there’d never been a contract. It’s meaningless. A tape would have to cover hours after the two *left*, in toto, with at least one person on screen at any given time, to actually do what you claim to want without also covering rapists. That’s not practical.
And you know that. You just want to protect rapists.
Related note to ‘contracts’; Contracts need witnesses to prove there’s no duress and that everyone’s of sound mine. You are now up to a minimum of 4 people to do this.
You don’t even ask what our fucking opinions are before you speak your stupid drivel, don’t you? Not that it matters, but I’m entirely on board for the idea of state-funded paternity tests of literally any father or prospective father who asks. The thing is, I’m not a fucking idiot with a police state fetish, so I don’t think this should be compulsory for everyone.
The other thing about this that pisses me off is that just because the mother is wrong, doesn’t make it fraud. Fraud requires willful knowledge that you are lying. Being mistaken is not fraud. It’s not impossible to commit fraud in this situation, but it’s substantially harder than just being wrong about who the father is.
Sorry about that all, I came back and could not see my follow up post (I still can’t, though there is a response to it) so I posted again(ish). I do know what you are saying wrt rape. I know that abstinence isn’t 100% effective, but neither is any other method. Given that it was my only option at one point though it is annoying that you seemed to be dismissive of it. Like I said, perhaps I misunderstood your point. I have to go bathe in Vicks now. Hopefully I will be more cognizant soon. Again, sorry for causing any confusion.
You know what, women (and other people) do have the right to lie. See:
The sky is green! I’m actually a pretty blue bird and I rule the whoriarchy of Narnia! I have exactly PI*100 euros in my bank account! America was first discovered by ET, then by me, then the other ones! MRA are actual activists who care about men other but themselves! Fire is wet! I have a unicorn pet who poop kittens who poops rainbows.I own all the chocolate.
And you can’t sue me, I broke no law in your country or mine!
And even when women tell ‘illegal’ lies, like if they lie to pay less taxes, it still doesn’t mean that any response acceptable: putting a webcam on everybody’s head to check what they earn isn’t.
Well, there’s Tom’s mom. So I suppose all we need to do is give birth to a misogynistic, hemorrhoidal douchebaggy twit and we’d be gold.
Oh right, mainstream culture does nothing to legitimize or laugh off date rape. (TW: For date rape image used to sell vodka.)
Sorry, it’s a little off topic. I’m just sitting here with steam coming out of my ears.
Did he confirm that? I remember the question but not the answer. And since I don’t know her it doesn’t help much. Was she married, was she rich, is she allowed to talk to her husband and have desires and needs?
That was my question. Who’s paying for these tests? If men deem them mandatory, then men can pay for them.