The other day we met an MRA named Tom Martin, who filed an “anti-male discrimination” suit against the London School of Economics, only to have his case thrown out of court by a deeply unimpressed judge.
After I blogged about this, Mr. Martin showed up here to offer some commentary on his case, and on matters of wider import. As a public service of sorts, I would like to present to you all some selected highlights from his comments here, in case you didn’t have the time to read through the entire 1000+ comment thread that ensued. And even those who did make it through the comments will no doubt be pleased to be reminded of some of their favorite Tom Martin bon mots.
In case anyone suffers from the delusion that Mr. Martin actually is some sort of egalitarian, these comments should clarify matters for you.
And yes, it has been confirmed via email that this is the real Tom Martin commenting. Accept no substitutes!
The word of the day is: whore.
Are you sitting comfortably? Then let’s begin. These are in chronological order; each title links to the full comment in context.
The Misandrist Chair Conspiracy:
One year prior to joining the university, when visiting its library, I did complain, that the seating being hard created a greater disadvantage for men than for women, as men have considerably smaller weight-bearing buttock pads than women, and men are heavier too – so for men, on average heavier than women, have more weight bearing down onto a pad which is approximately four times smaller than women’s on average – according to a BBC documentary on the subject.
The Misandrist Chair Conspiracy 2: Misandrist Boogaloo
The EHRC actually agreed with me, that hard chairs are inappropriate for a library, as they impact men more. When we consider that only 2 out of 5 degrees go to men, the gender gap widening, then anything we can do to make men more comfortable taking the academic route, the better.
Given that higher educational attainment increases life expectancy for men, and given that increased educational attainment in men also decreases their violence against women among other things.
Anti-male shaming tactics are always used at the point of losing an argument, Hellkell.
When someone asks me “What sort of woman would go out with a men’s rights activist?” I reply “the sort of woman who isn’t a whore.”
Tom Martin’s 14 Point Anti-Prostitute Program:
Some of you want to know why I think prostitution is bad.
1. Sex is only ever any good when it is based on mutual attraction.
2. Charging for sex excludes men who cannot afford it, thus heightening male-on-male competition for money, which generates the conditions for war.
3. Prostitutes spend so long being pounded on, without orgasm, that it causes a condition akin to ‘blue balls’ in men – I think it’s referred to as ‘pelvic block’ in women, but has other names too, where veins in the female pelvic region become over-pressurized, causing pain and swelling. In some cases, an operation is required to release the pressure. You will see it in some porn stars. Their rectum will look swollen, and the tissue either side of the vaginal area too.
4. Prostitutes spend so long on the job, it stops them making better use of their lives. It hinders their emotional and intellectual development.
5. Prostitutes express more misandry than the average woman. Being a prostitute is misandry-inducing, or perhaps misandrists are more likely to choose prostitution, but either way, prostitution correlates with misandry – and misandry is bad, as it perpetuates fear or mistrust of men, which perpetuates sex segregation, which perpetuates male-on-male competition, which increases brain capacity for aggression (in both sexes), whilst decreasing brain capacity for empathy and higher thought.
6. Prostitution is an aggregate sex segregation, as prostitutes take themselves out of the free association and free sex zone, and wait for paying customers – and though paying customers and prostitutes are not sex-segregating whilst having sex, she quickly has to get him out to do the next customer, so there is less organic natural association between the sexes throughout the course of the day – and the association which does take place is fake or bought, rather than free association.
7. Prostitutes are boring.
8. There is no Nobel Prize for services to prostitution for a reason.
9. Gold-diggers are more stupid than average women.
10. Housewives are more fascistic than average women.
11. Economically inactive female model societies are more fascistic than normal societies.
12. Men associating with prostitutes or economically inactive gold-digger housewhores etc are more fascistic than average men.
13. Prostitution was the historic norm, and civilizations have less prostitution as they advance, so less prostitution probably related to advancement.
14. Less prostitutional sex-segregated societies produce better more balanced ratio of women to men (more women), causing men to make more sensible, less rash or flashy spending decisions.
I’m sure there are many more related reasons I could go into, about why prostitution is bad.
I think it should be fully legalized, but that these women should pay the highest rate of tax, and be first draft in any military conscription.
I do have a book, on the way, based on some experimental psychology I’m conducting. As soon as I put this gender studies industry out of its misery, I’ll let you know.
Fems: It’s time to renounce your whoredom!
I’m asking feminists in particular to renounce prostitution in all its forms. …
It is my estimation, that as little as 3% of women have actually made a conscious decision to treat men as equals, never expect any money from men, and actively promote more egalitarian gender roles (rather than begrudgingly suffer them), by celebrating the less worky roles afforded men. …
From a straight male perspective, the potential mate pool is quite full of hypergamous gold-diggers and prostitutes, the stand up egalitarian women few and far between, so yes, not only should women renounce prostitution in all its forms, but they should buy the T shirt or get the tattoo as well or something.
Just like it being polite to inform someone first if you have a social disease, you should inform someone first if you are a gold-digger/whore/housewife wannabe etc.
But then, there are a lot of women who swear blind they’re not whores who are – so some kind of renouncement on their part, where they’re putting a bit of heart into it, might be in order. Maybe an fMRI lie detecting brain scan certificate to show you’ve passed the test.
But if fems just want to go with “I can’t believe you think women are whores. How misogynistic” then its really falling well short of the mark – given women’s woeful track record in this department so far.
So come on then, who is going to be the first to renounce prostitution in all its forms?
At least Rosa Parks got a seat:
Be honest, you’re not sitting on a hard seat right now, so why should you when you’re in a library?
My position was vindicated by the authorities taking it seriously at the time. …
They also put a three piece couch and seats into the library after my successful complaint,
so I am actually very pleased about that, and you suck….
[I]n Saudi Arabia, two men have to vacate a bus seat for one woman. …
So, we all know who Rosa Parks was. The black person who didn’t want to sit at the back of the bus – and quite right too, but at least she got a seat.
But when it is men being forced out of their seats, and by economically inactive Saudi whores – professional whore feminists just laugh it off or make BS excuses.
Scum.
Saudi Arabia: A Whorish Matriarchy
In many ways, Saudi Arabian men are probably the most discriminated against men in the world.
Firstly, it costs more for a Saudi Arabian men to marry than for any for other men in the world on average (in relative to national average earnings).
Secondly, Saudi Arabian women are the laziest whores in the world, with just 22% of them in even a part-time job (and that 22% figure bolstered by the foreign women shipped in to do certain work).
Thirdly, Islamic law says what a man earns, he must share, but what his wife earns, she can keep. …
[O]n balance, given Saudi men are doing all the hard work, not only should Saudi women be giving up their seats to Saudi men if anything, victim-feminists should be ashamed of themselves for portraying Saudi women as the uniquely oppressed class. Far from it.
Saudi Arabia is an advanced country, where the female population is highly educated. Saudi scientists are among the best in the world. Saudi doctors successfully separated conjoined twins at the head – both twins living – but that same scientific community has so far been unable to separate Saudi Arabian women’s enormous asses from their couches. There is a way though. When Saudi men learn to stop giving women money and gifts, the women will have no choice but to rise up, get a job, demand driving licenses, etc.
Saudi women just laugh at patriarchy theory. They know they’re lazy whores pulling all strings. Saudi men on the other hand, have never had their issues addressed, and are very receptive to change.
Islamic states are whoriarchies – which neither men or women would want to be associated with, once they’ve had it properly explained.
Did I explain already that Muslim women are whores?
Muslim women are quids in the whores.
Their civilizations are down the pan, but as long as they’ve got one over on the men, they don’t seem to give a shit.
I would totally take my anti-Muslim-whore crusade to the streets, but Muslim women are too scary:
[I]f Muslim women want Muslim men to change the laws, then they can simply order their husbands or suitors to do this.
Similarly, they could order their husbands to vote for full female voting rights. …
I would be standing on a street corner in some Muslim land explaining it, but that would be too risky for my personal safety, or any man’s personal safety. It is easier for women to rise up without getting shot than for men, on gender politics issues.
Nevertheless, I will be translating my experiments’ findings and book into Arabic.
All those people who say I’m “whoring” by asking for donations to my legal fighting fund, are missing the point
“Whoriarchy” is not a perfect term, but a more accurate description of the state of affairs on gender relations everywhere than “patriarchy” – and a lot less glamorous. …
Professional feminists are whores. This includes David Futrelle. His job is not to reflect accurately, but mock, so he is a delaying gatekeeper, attempting to exclude men’s equality debates, by making misleading representations about the men’s rights movement’s core values and goals.
We need a word for women who aren’t whores:
[C]urrently, to my knowledge, there is no word in the English language, for a woman who is not a whore. For a woman who has rejected all forms of prostitution.
“Independent” – okay, could mean “has a job”, but not specific enough. I mean Beyonce claims to be an “Independent” woman, but then she also wants men to pay her telephone bills, and put a ring on it – so, no. If Beyonce has a job, it’s as a prostitute.
“Egalitarian” – too general. Sounds like she’s weighing up whoring options equally.
“Feminist” – too much gold-digging of government resources, and sucking cocks for money, so no.
Women who have chosen to have nothing to do with prostitution in any of its forms should not even have to mention the word when describing their awesome credentials, and credo. Most women are prostitutes to some extent, so ‘woman’ doesn’t do it either for the time being.
We need a new word…
Ladies, you have had expensive educations, surpassing men’s in duration. Your parents assisted you more with university fees than they did their sons. The jobs market is set up to positively discriminate in your favour if you’ll only put the effort in. Men are willing to do more childcare if you will only stop complaining about them not doing it right etc, and actually transfer the parental leave to them. Men have put men on the moon. All you need to do, is express some breast milk and get it into the fridge so you can return to your glorious careers and create or invent us all something useful. Please don’t invent us any more cupcakes though. …
The human race needs you to put down the crockery, and make a proper contribution to the advancement of civilization. Feminism’s “glass ceiling” story is the metaphorical glass ball and chain excuse for defeatism and inertia required for you never to have to leave the kitchen. We have microwave meals now – go and make yourselves a tad more useful.
Female penguins are whores
For the record, I would never claim all women are whores. I’d put it at around the 97% mark in my estimation – so back off, haters.
What do we want! To inconvenience whores! When do we want it? Now!
Liberating men involves mildly inconveniencing whores. It’s a win/win.
Ladies! Stop being whores and invent something.
There is a limit to just how un-whorey you need to get. Once you’ve hit zero, then you’re at your target whoring level, of not being a whore. Move on. File a patent. Write a joke. Find a cure for something. Not being a whore isn’t a vocation in and of itself. “And the Nobel Prize for not being a whore goes to… .”
9 out of 10 patents are awarded to men, and yet in factual media, men are portrayed positively only 1 time out of 10. Don’t be one of those media douches pretending men aren’t anything other than freaking awesome.
I have invented something, and am working on prototypes.
I have previously sought a patent application for another invention.
And I’ve built lots of things too.
I’ve also made daisy chains.
My cat made a hairball, but you don’t see her bragging about that.
B please! Or A. A would be fine too.
*facepalm*
Yes, it’s easy to drive between states. It’s not so easy to pack up your entire life and move. You have to: find a new job, find a new job for your partner, put the kids in new schools, find a new home, sell or sublet or end the lease on your old home, leave your friends and family (and possibly partner if they have something they can’t leave) behind… never mind that the actual task of packing and moving all your possessions is hardly trivial either. And at the end of all this you’re going to come out way behind financially.
But yeah, sure, the roads are pretty well paved most places.
this is the best thing to happen to this site since the b_____n challenge
Well, as you’re not willing to entertain conversation about probably the most important political issue of the last 40 – 100 years, i.e. the complete destruction of liberty by increments – I don’t see any point hanging around here longer.
It’s been mostly unedifying.
Except Pillowinhell – she seems reasonable enough.
Bye now manboobererz. I’d recommend you start growing your own food and preparing for the coming financial collapse, but I know you won’t listen to me. Good luck with that.
bye crybaby
Whoops, didn’t see the pronouncement from On High considering our latest interdicted subject. Sorry!
david can we get an updates to the comments policy to make it official?
also, whoah, i just noticed this blog is no longer an admiralty court
Bye, Joe! It’s been equally unedifying on this end.
Ermmm… Um how did I end up getting called reasonable?
Okay! Now I got bingo! The overwhelming majority of rape cases are false accussations!!
What did I win?
Also, what’s the percentage of false rape accusations amongst men Tom?
Example A right here in my backyard:
Sheriff Joseph Arpaio-http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/spl/documents/mcso_findletter_12-15-11.pdf
Example B, again, right here in my backyard:
Senate Bill 1070, known by its short name of SB1070. http://azgovernor.gov/dms/upload/SB_1070_Signed.pdf
Anti-miscegenation laws are still on the books in 15 US states-without the SCOTUS decision in Loving v Virginia (which is in my opinion the best named case ever), they would still be illegal in those states. As recently as 2009 a judge was refusing to marry an interracial couple in Louisiana.
Racism is a huge problem in this country to this day-without federal enforcement, things will just get worse.
Awww…all my showing off is for nothing?
I haz a disappoint.
Um so Joe knows so much about the US and knows just who should be voted for but totally has no clue as to the racial and class and religious divides there? What is he Martian?
What was the admiralty court thing? I’ve seen a few references to it, and am totally mystified. (This is my natural state, actually, but if someone is willing to explain that would be delightful.)
Cloudiah – NWOslave (or at least the “sovereign citizen” types he appears to get his conspiracy theories from) had some sort of bizarre theory that if there’s fringe on an American flag in a courtroom, then that courtroom obeys admiralty law rather than regular state/federal law. Because clearly you can only have a fringed flag on a boat, or something.
David had a fringed American flag on the sidebar for a while and a declaration that this blog was therefore an Admiralty Court.
@Holly – Oh, the crazy! Thanks for explaining.
Has Paul offered you a room in his underground bunker? Is that why you support him?
Oh that was ableist, sorry about that. Grew up with that language, still learning to NOT use is. 🙁
SPLC has some great stuff on the sovereign citizen movement Cloudiah if you want to have an entertaining time for a bit.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/fall/sovereign-idioticon-a-dictionary-of-the
However if you watch the video they made it kind of kills the mood. 🙁
The highest kind of freedom is freedom from Ron Paul.
I think my favorite bit of sovereign citizen bullshit is the idea that JOHN Q. PUBLIC as it says on your tax return and your driver’s license is a different (fictional) person from John Q. Public. It has something to do with the Federal Reserve having borrowed against everyone’s lifetime earnings since 1912 or something. Anyway, the practical upshot of it is these folks think they’re not subject to e.g. traffic citations and can actually turn it around and demand that the citing officer pay the fine.
It’s like a kind of magic spell. Invoke the proper language and the system bends to your will!
We had a bit of a sovereign citizen kerfuffle practically in my backyard about 18 months ago. Some group tried to indict Obama in a “citizen’s court” and tried to get a Tennessee District Attorney to serve the indictment. When he refused or ignored them, one of their number got all gunned up and tried to arrest the county government.
And then there were the father and son who decided to shoot it out with the police in Memphis over a traffic stop. They both ended up dead. I don’t recall at the moment if any cops were hurt.
Actually two police officers were murdered by the Kanes.
Seriously dude, so really strange shit goes on in your country. Especially when religion or constitution are involved and triple if its both.
What is it with the US?
Ah, crap, it was in West Memphis, Arkansas and two cops were killed.
peter-andrew:nolan(c) is my favorite sovereign citizen. if you read the transcript of his custody hearing that he marked up, a lot of it is him refusing to ‘board’ the judges ship unless the judge promises that he retains his common law sovereignty, with a fine of one thousand ounces of troy gold if the judge breaks that promise.
finally dude is like, ‘if you want to stand awkwardly in the back of the room, fine. there’s only so much i can do to stop you from screwing up your case”
Molly Ivins had a lovely column about the US Pillowinhell, this might help wash the nasty out of your mind.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1755&dat=19950706&id=W4UeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=o3wEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3075,300345
help me out, i’m British and therefore fumbling my way through the complexities/politics of state v federal.
what is a 14th Amendment citizen? why is a Citizen subject to state and federal law but citizens are not? my head, it spins.