The Men’s Rights subreddit is a gift that keeps on giving!
In response to a woman pledging her support to the Men’s Rights movement, someone calling himself Nephilim_Hunter offers his thanks:
Because men have been relegated to a what of a what now?
Because males are already relegated to a position of non-participant in society
Because males are already relegated to a position of non-participant in society
Because males are already relegated to a position of non-participant in society
Because males are already relegated to a position of non-participant in society
Just wanted to make sure I understood that you really, actually did just say that.
Oh, by the way,I’m starting a new feature here at Man Boobz. It’s called: Random Pictures of Boards of Directors.
Here’s a picture of the board of directors of Wal-Mart:
Oh, and here’s the board of directors for GE:
And here’s the board of directors of Duke Energy:
Oh, and the board of directors at Dynasty Financial Partners:
And these fellas are the board of directors at The Rea Magnet Wire Company:
And, while we’re at it, here’s the board of directors of Man Boobz:
I like how in this thread, Mags acknowledges that white privilege is a thing but that recognizing that and changing the way she views anything is not incumbent upon her because it’s about how other people treat her, but just the other day the fact that I acknowledged male privilege as a thing–but said I changed my outlook and behavior because of that–and Mags declared that it invalidates everything I said for acknowledging its existence. And though she said she doesn’t address my arguments because I’m a male feminist, she addresses David’s arguments even though he is also a male feminist. Apparently the magic words for being excommunicated by Mags are “privilege is a thing and I change because I don’t want it to affect anyone else negatively.” Don’t say it, Futrelle! Mags might no longer grace us with her straw feminists and delightful snark sniping.
@ magdelyn
In regards to #7, a quote from the always excellent Richie over at Crimitism:
http://crimitism.wordpress.com/2010/07/07/two-new-thrilling-episodes-of-stuff-everybody-reading-this-blog-already-knows-anyway/
(it’s two years out of date, but I can’t imagine that the thrust of the comment has drastically changed in the meantime)
“For the record, here are the highest paying jobs in America (non-executive positions), according to salary.com
1. Financial Associate (Corporate) III
2. Group/Region Manager III (Commercial Loans)
3. Surgeon
4. Financial Associate (Public) III
5. Consumer Loan Area Manager
6. Managing Attorney
7. Divisional Merchandise Manager
8. Underwriting Manager
9. Commercial Real Estate Manager
10. Tax Attorney IV
11. Aviation Manager
12. Group/Region Manager II (Commercial Loans)
13. Group Branch Manager IV
14. Psychiatrist
15. Mergers and Acquisitions Manager
16. Lending Officer III
17. Employment Law Attorney IV
18. Research Fellow
19. Attorney III
20. Patent Attorney IV
21. Fuels Trader, Sr.
22. Physician
23. Tax Attorney III
24. Commercial Loan Team Leader
25. Regional Administrative Manager
26. SB Financial Services Manager
27. Executive Producer – Web
28. SBA Regional Sales Manager
29. Patent Attorney II – Biotech
30. Business Banking Manager II
31. Operations Research Analysis Manager
32. Biostatistician IV
33. Patent Attorney III
34. IT Account Manager
35. Funding Manager II
36. Applications Engineer V
37. E-Commerce Manager II
38. Treasurer Assistant
39. Regional Retail Sales Manager
40. Risk Modeling Manager
41. E-Commerce Strategy Manager
42. Applications Engineering Manager II
43. Professor – Law – Higher Ed.
44. Electric and Gas Operations Manager
45. Web Product Manager III
46. Cross-Platform Security Manager
47. Group/Region Manager I (Commercial Loans)
48. CRM Application Architect
49. Strategic Planning Manager
50. Web Security Manager
51. Group Branch Manager III
52. Nurse Anesthetist
53. Tax Research Manager
54. Managing Editor – Web
55. Program Manager
56. Sales Manager II
57. Operations Research Analyst V
58. Tax Attorney II
59. Env., Health, and Safety Engineering Manager
60. Business Development Manager, Sr.
61. Six Sigma Master Black Belt
62. Business Systems Manager (Banking)
63. Software Engineering Manager
64. ERP Project Manager
65. Dentist
66. Radiation Physicist
67. Community Development Manager II
68. Business Application Delivery Manager
69. Quality Assurance Engineering Manager II
70. Content Engineer III – Web
71. Expatriate Administration Manager
72. Production Engineering Manager
73. Data Warehouse Information Security Manager
74. Data Architect V
75. Interior Aircraft Assembly Manager
76. Plant Manager
77. Actuary V
78. Orthodontist
79. Change Management Specialist
80. Sales Representative IV
81. CRM Targeted Marketing Campaign Manager
82. Facilities Maintenance Manager II
83. Aircraft Maintenance Manager II
84. Test Engineering Manager II
85. Planner/Scheduler V – Construction
86. Attorney II
87. Cost Engineer V – Construction
88. Head of Ancillary Services
89. Product Marketing Analyst V
90. Expatriate Administrator IV
91. Health and Safety Manager
92. Physicist V
93. Configuration Analysis Manager
94. Operations Research Analyst IV
95. Production Scheduler Manager II
96. Spares Coordination Manager
97. Wafer Process Development Manager
98. Professor – Chem. Engineering – Higher Ed.
99. Strategic Planning Analyst V
100. Engineering Manager
Not all office jobs, but NONE of them are physically demanding or dangerous in the way that construction work is. The closest any of them get to physical labour is… being the person who tells physical labourers what to do.”
If you fail to kill yourself then you were not trying to commit suicide!!
Um you do realize that not every suicide attempt is going to be successful right? Not everyone has access to a gun and can just shoot themselves. Thats like saying “well you attempted to murder someone but you weren’t REALLY trying to kill them since you failed”.
Ack, long comment is long. I fooked the formatting, sorry. Tried to have it wrap, but failed. Sorry >.>
Mags, your family is working class rigt? How many working class women do you see thatr can afford to stay at home with the kids and not work? I live in Canada and we have better support services for families and most middleclass families need to have two incomes just to ensure the basics (the rent food hydro) are paid. Let alone the poorer folk. To be middle class and a stay at home mother is either a major statement of religous beliefs or your family is at the top income bracket for middleclass and prepared to play it lean with the family budget. Either that or you’ve only got one kid. Most women work at least partime if they are wealthy enough, the rest work full time and take care of their families along with their husbands.
Clearly failed suicide attempts only count as real attempts if they are done by a man with a gun.
Also, why are there so few women in governemnt? Because they keep losing elections? No.
“Extensive research shows that when women run for office
– at any level – they perform just as well as men. Yet women
remain severely under-represented in our political institutions.
Thus, the question that merits investigation is why so few women
decide to run. Our research represents one of the first comprehensive
attempts to understand the process by which women and men
decide to enter the electoral arena.
Ultimately, we find that women, regardless of their age, partisan
affiliation, income, and profession, are significantly less likely than
men to express interest in seeking public office.”
http://www.cluw.org/PDF/womeninoffice.pdf
Shorter Mags: Sociology doesn’t exist. Society is just a big mess of individuals deciding whether they want to be rich or not.
@lauralot
opps my bad! you are tots right, men going out the “manly” way are the only real suicide attempts that count!!!
/sarcasm
A friend of a friend was just telling me about his time as a volunteer firefighter. He said that one time, a man, fearing that he was about to lose his job, shot himself in the temple with a pistol. But at the last moment he unconsciously turned the gun up, so instead of going through his head, it make a bizarre gouge in a semicircle around his head and stuck on the other side, so he lived. I guess he didn’t really mean to kill himself though.
@jumbofish: It’s the same with murder, too! Only men are charged with attempted murder!
…Actually, that explains a lot about how MRAs view the world.
Jumbofish:
if you fail to kill yourself, you didn’t commit suicide. there are more male suicides. what is an attempt? how does it get classified? do more jump off buildings but for some reason just bounce out of it? no?
BTW, doesn’t anyone find it odd that you rarely see a woman garbage collector? In fact, in my entire life, I have never seen one. Sexism?
Question: Why would someone decide not to be rich? What do you think motivates them? I guess I could understand deciding to live “the simple life,” but why would someone decide to be a secretary or a waitress? Is it just one of those mysteries?
Women. So mysterious.
Garbage collector actually isn’t a bad job. They make quite a lot for unskilled laborers and they get union benefits.
By salary and conditions, it beats the hell out of waiting tables or working in a nursing home.
Doctors: male physicians earn more than women physicians: no doubt because oh individual choice?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/nov/10/pay-gap-salary-doctors-nhs
And I’m actually happier with the term kyriarchy these days instead of patriarchy which does focus solely on systematic gender hierarchies–class, ethnicity, religion, sexuality, age, etc. all intersect.
…And it actually IS sexism that keeps women out of the sanitation industry.
I mean, c’mon, apples to apples here, a woman who was turned down for garbage collection probably isn’t going to be VP of HR or a spoiled housewife. She’s probably going to end up working for less pay and benefits in retail or hospitality or something.
http://www.medscape.com/features/slideshow/compensation/2011/
Side 4: across specialities, male doctors earn 41% more.
And even in areas where women have historically dominated, men are more likely to be in management: read, librarians, nurses, social work.
AND education, especially elementary education where the majority of teachers are women, and the majority of principals, etc. are men.
@Magdelyn:
Oh… I thought you knew. “More women than men report a history of attempted suicide, with a gender ratio of 3:1” source
@Mags
Where are all the male PSWs and nurses? maybe they’d rather collect garbage that clean asses and empty bedpans…among other things. One of my friends is a PSW, she’s been attacked before.
High male suicide rates are a problem, no one is denying that. But what are MRAs doing to help? are they raising money to start up a hotline? Maybe men should be encouraged to seek psychiatric help more often.
Also I find it incredible callous that you so easily dismiss women’s suicide attempts. Why do MRAs always do this? everytime someone mentions anything that amounts to “women suffer/are discriminated in X way” they deny and pretend it doesn’t exist. Meanwhile many feminists DO concede that men face certain issues as well. I just did. Other posters on here do. Jill on Feministe wrote an excellent post on how prison rape is dismissed in US society and how disgustingly high the rates are.
Obviously nothing we say is ever going to be enough so why even come here? Why not just stick with MRAs?
I’m too tired to debate today so respond or don’t, either way is fine by me.
Have a good Sunday night peeps.
What exactly does men succeeding at suicide more prove? That men suffer more or something? I doubt that. Supposing that the “cry for help” premise is true, that doesn’t change the fact that men are discouraged from seeking help for fear of looking “weak” or “unmanly” in front of their peers.
So, who’s fault is it that men don’t seek help when they need it? Is it feminism? Or the restrictive, patriarchal model of masculinity that feminism opposes? A model that you yourself seem pretty enamored of, if recent comments of yours are anything to go on.
You know what? It’s true. More men than women complete suicides. This is in large part because men are socialized (and not by feminists!) to be tough guys who don’t talk out their feelings and solve problems with violence.
However, this doesn’t mean men don’t have numerous other advantages in society, much less that they’re not even participants!
Also, what has the MRM done about male suicide? Harassed feminists online about it, and… uh…
“if you fail to kill yourself, you didn’t commit suicide. there are more male suicides. what is an attempt? how does it get classified? do more jump off buildings but for some reason just bounce out of it? no?”
Lolz, you know, Mags, it makes you look pretty oblivious when I already gave the reason for this, on this very page. Maybe you shouldn’t pretend to be interested in rational argument while simultaneously deciding you can ignore people for their stated positions and persons. It’s almost as though ad hominem is some kinda logical fallacy or something.
@Dracula:
From what I’ve read, it seems as though women suffer more from depression than men do, which correlates with higher number of suicide attempts. Apparently men tend to choose more lethal methods of suicide.
Though there is something strange about the stereotype… Isn’t the common idea that a man shoots himself in the head, whereas a woman takes a bunch of pills? I don’t remember much of the reverse from depictions of suicide in movies and so forth…
@ithiliana
I can’t see the page on medscape, do you have to log in?