The Men’s Rights subreddit is a gift that keeps on giving!
In response to a woman pledging her support to the Men’s Rights movement, someone calling himself Nephilim_Hunter offers his thanks:
Because men have been relegated to a what of a what now?
Because males are already relegated to a position of non-participant in society
Because males are already relegated to a position of non-participant in society
Because males are already relegated to a position of non-participant in society
Because males are already relegated to a position of non-participant in society
Just wanted to make sure I understood that you really, actually did just say that.
Oh, by the way,I’m starting a new feature here at Man Boobz. It’s called: Random Pictures of Boards of Directors.
Here’s a picture of the board of directors of Wal-Mart:
Oh, and here’s the board of directors for GE:
And here’s the board of directors of Duke Energy:
Oh, and the board of directors at Dynasty Financial Partners:
And these fellas are the board of directors at The Rea Magnet Wire Company:
And, while we’re at it, here’s the board of directors of Man Boobz:
Yeah, we already dealt with Mags’ misrepresentation of “patriarchy” as “all guyz R bad guyz” in an earlier thread and she did not see it. Here, Mags, kindly read on after the comment saying you went to sleep:
http://manboobz.com/2012/03/08/the-southern-poverty-law-center-takes-on-the-violent-misogyny-so-pervasive-in-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-2/#comment-132711
Of course, even in this thread Mags manages to misrepresent pretty simple arguments in favor of the straw feminism in her head, so I haven’t much hope of it really dispelling her misconceptions.
Darksidecat for the win!
Seriously, Mags, deal with that.
Also, I’m guessing that if I found a bunch of group pictures of shift managers at Burger King, most of them would be male as well. In other words, men more likely to be running things up and down the hierarchy. Pics of boards of directors just happen to be a lot easier to find on Google.
If it doesn’t matter that men are CEOS because not all men are CEOs, well, most men aren’t homeless, or working in mines, or getting falsely accused, so you should probably go and tell the MRAs to stop talking about all that shit too.
Mags, you need to become a Mags Rights Activist, if the only things that matter are your own personal circumstances.
I guess if you found a bunch of shift managers at PR firms, and HR departments, you won’t find them filled with men. Also, if you go to a college graduation these days, men probably won’t predominate. Or course, if you go to the local undertaker, and could the number of male vs. female suicides, i guess men win. Or murdered people, men win again. Or count the number of homeless men, another win. damn patriarchy!! Trying to blame an entire sex for perceived inequities based on ONE…that’s right, one of many factors is intellecturally dishonest.
Someone mentioned that motherhood keeps women back. Yup. That’s not sexism if mothers choos to spend years with their kids instead of in a cubicle. I would love to do that myself.
“…So shut the fuck up, and stop erasing poor women and women of color in your sexist, racist denialism…”
No, I won’t shut the fuck up, or be silenced by anyone. So shove it.
“Trying to blame an entire sex for perceived inequities based on ONE…that’s right, one of many factors is intellecturally dishonest.”
Are you seriously incapable of seeing your way past this strawman?
Mags, so your response to the fact that men generally run things (more so than women) in most professions is to point out that there are two professions in which more women run things? (Still, I wonder if the # of women running things matches the # of women in the profession.There are a lot of women in journalism, but somehow every top editor I’ve worked for has been a dude.)
Oh, and that men get murdered more often.
Well, using your logic earlier, I suppose I could say that, well, I haven’t been murdered, so that little factoid has no relevance to my life.
I love the way MRAs seize on every stat that suggests men have it worse, but whenever someone brings up a stat that suggests women have it worse, it somehow doesn’t count because, oh, I’m not a CEO therefore patriarchy is a lie.
“Or course, if you go to the local undertaker, and could the number of male vs. female suicides, i guess men win. Or murdered people, men win again.”
Men are generally taught that they are to be rewarded for being aggressive and risk takers. This results in men using suicide methods more likely to result in death and engage in violence. You yourself wrote a love letter to this idealized version of men as being willing to risk everything in the thread I just linked to. You are therefore participating in increasing the likelihood of the outcomes you decry as evidence against the concept of patriarchy. Pls stop “advocating” for my rights kthx.
How come more mothers than fathers choose to stay home with their kids, Mags?
Is it just some fundamental THING women do?
Or is it… No. Social pressures and lack of opportunity only affect men! Because of reasons.
Seriously, the whole premise here seems to be “men’s lives are shaped by sociological factors largely outside their individual control; women’s lives are entirely the result of their own choices.”
I’d… I’d like to choose to have more money now. Can I do that? I’m a woman and everything.
David, please explain to me your conception of why elite women in the United States don’t advance as far as elite men. If your answer is sexim, please define your term. Does your analysis include that different age groups have different representations? For instance, do young women face the descrimination and the resultant differential that women in the 1930’s, 40’s and 50’s faced? Also, please touch on whether you believe any of the following factors could be involved; (1) major in college (i.e. sociology vs. MBA); (2) time out for children; (3) number of hours at work; (4) number of years spent working; (5) absenteeism; (6) choosing professions that pay less; (7) dangerous jobs.
Do you believe that women’s life choices effect any of this?
BTW david, let me touch a couple more professions that are, or will be women dominated, doctors and teachers
OK, someone needs to post a picture of DKM’s board of directors now.
Mags, I think I ninjaed you…
@Captain Bathrobe
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DKM’s board of directors…
@Mags:
You really are facing an uphill battle with trying to name professions that are women-dominated… In that for every one you mention, it solidifies the fact that those are the exceptions to the rule. I don’t know how many types of jobs there are out in the world, but there are certainly more than 4, or 10 for that matter…
But out of curiosity, when you say teachers… do you mean higher-education positions like college professors, or things like kindergarten and grade-school?
Also, explain by what evil machinations the patriarchs are accomplishing this, since the majority of the electorate are women (in this country). If sexism is the problem, shouldn’t somebody be utilzing resources into calling out the women that prop up the patriarchy?
That’s not what patriarchy is. How many times do we have to explain it to you. Or do you choose not to listen.
@ magdelyn
Some anecdata:
I graduated from the zoology program at my local university in 2004 – signifcantly more women than men in my graduating class.
I graduated from the geology program at my local university (same university) in 2006 – significantly more men than women (graduating classes approx the same size, too).
I wonder if certain fields are getting coded as “soft” sciences or “women’s interest” programs and others are getting coded as “manly he-man mammoth slayer” fields. (I don’t wonder. I worked in both of these fields and I can tell you which one is a fairly [as these things go] women-friendly field and which is still a big cave-man club-swinging grunting and pissing on things Old Boys Club.)
So how long before Magdelyn starts the ad hominem to end the discussion she started in the first place?
How many people work in PR firms? Also, way to point out that women in management don’t have control positions, but rather have “middle management” with low chances of high promotion positions.
It depends on the field and the level. Men dominate heavily in graduate and professional schools. Also, as a woman on average has to have a bachelors to start having the same income as her male counterparts with a high school diploma, there’s a perfectly obvious reason why women would have more incentive to get more degrees.
This is false. Women attempt suicide more often than men. There’s also a lot of contention and studies suggesting women’s suicides are undercounted more than mens, meaning that women who commit suicide successfully are more likely to have their suicides officially marked down as accidental or just list the cause of death such as “overdose”. see, for example, http://books.google.com/books?id=UFj9GGCMy5cC&pg=PA200&lpg=PA200&dq=study+women%27s+suicides+undercounted&source=bl&ots=hMxhI2QB0K&sig=nyxMWgji397IC_PnHfW9hoeE4rU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=JCZdT5DwG6X50gGY8dXSDw&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=study%20women%27s%20suicides%20undercounted&f=false
Which men are murdered at higher rates and in different proportions than women? Not rich white men, and not poor white men too much either. Black and latino youth killed by acquaintances and strangers in poor neighborhoods make up a large amount of that portion. Women are killed by intimates more often. It’s also men who are murdering other men in high numbers, not women.
I’ve debunked this claim already numerous times, try some new lines.
You are the one who tried to claim it was all about income class. I was directly responding to your claim, and demonstrating it was total and complete bullshit. You are trying to distract by pretending that all men are poor and all women are not.
This is also a totally fucking classist claim. This has never, ever been the fucking normative model for poor women and most women of color in the US. What income class of women is given the ability to stay home to raise their kids? Also, why is raising a child less productive and less deserving of support and renumeration in your eyes? Why should primary caretakers of children face social loss and punishment for caring for children?
Says the sexist, classist, racist invading other people’s spaces trying to derail.
Kirbywarp, the number of women dominated managerial positions will increase as the disproportional number of college and graduate educated women continue to feed into the system.
Mags, how do you explain that women with degrees, MBA’s at that, only earn the same amount as a man two levels below her in training, eperience and education? Hint: its not motherhood. Many women in the top tier fields in terms of income can certainly afford private daycare and nannies if their place of employment doesn’t offer flex time or the ability to work from home.
“…This is false. Women attempt suicide more often than men…”
attempting suicide that is not completed pretty much means a call for help. taking a 12 gauge and painting the walls with your brains is suicide.
Pillowinhell, I respectfully disagree that equally educated women earn less. In a study of urban areas, they earned 8% more: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704415104576250672504707048.html
This is so goddamn clueless it’s almost funny. If someone overdoses on pills/slits their wrists and is dragged to a hospital, unconscious and/or against their will, that doesn’t mean they weren’t actually trying to kill themselves.