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Leave it to the manosphere to further elevate the national discourse about Sandra Fluke. On Gucci Little Piggy, a blog loosely aligned with the alt-right/racist/PUA wing of the manosphere, blogger Chuck Rudd suggests that Rush Limbaugh might have been wrong to call Fluke a slut. Sounds good,eh? Not when you hear the, er, reasoning behind it:
I think the term “slut” is too arbitrary to have much meaning in a political context, especially when we don’t actually know anything about the so-called slut’s sexual history. It doesn’t fit Sandra Fluke anyway as we don’t know for sure that she’s heterosexual.
Go on.
Fluke is not a “slut”, nor is she a “good citizen” which is what President Obama called her in a press conference held today. Based upon readily observable behavior and on her beliefs about what she and her favorite groups have a right to grab from tax payers and employers, it’s best to call her what she is: a pirate
Uh, what?
Apparently, in Chuck’s world, putative lesbians who suggest that insurance should pay for birth control that they personally don’t need to prevent babies, though they or people they know might need it to treat other medical conditions, are pirates.
Later in the post, Chuck links to a review of a book that suggests many pirates engaged in sodomy. Which is evidently proof in his mind that lesbians are pirates, or at least that it is hilarious to call them pirates.
Anyway, the best part of the piece is how Chuck, using the magic of SCIENCE, proves that Fluke is gay:
[P]eople who have a longer ring finger (4d) than index finger (2d) have more testosterone and, some argue, a higher sex drive.
Pointing to a news photograph that appears to show that Ms. Fluke does indeed have a long ring finger, Chuck concludes:
her ring finger is quite a bit longer than her index. It’s almost as long as her middle finger. In general, a low 2d:4d ratio in women indicates a greater proclivity towards homosexuality or bisexuality and greater tendency towards aggressiveness and assertiveness. So, yeah, pirate fits.
Thanks, Chuck.
Most of the commenters to his article seem to agree with his basic thesis.
Stickman writes:
forget the fingers… shes got strait up MAN HANDS. But look on the bright side, if she survives the up coming second dark ages, I’m sure she will do a fine job of pulling a plow.
Note: The “coming second dark ages” is a familiar trope among manospherians; the idea is that men will get so fed up with the gynofascist matriarchy we evidently all live in today that they will stop working, civilization will crumble, and the ladies will be put in their proper place, behind pulling plows.
SOBL1 adds:
As a fellow Cornellian, my guess is lesbian. Cornell has a decent les population.It also speaks more to a les to demand free birth control as a hand out from the government speaking on behalf of all women when she has no shot of getting pregnant. That’s just the thing lesbians like to do: consider their opinions the worldview of all “womyn”. At a minimum, she was a LUG [Lesbian Until Graduation]. Her face and hair are so masculine, she could pass for a male supporting character in “All the President’s Men”.
Did he mention he went to CORNELL?
One free-thinking fellow actually challenges Chuck’s analysis. Nick digger writes:
This finger length analysis from candid photos is nonsense. There are too many knuckle-bends in all directions, combined with skewed camera position, to get an accurate measurement. There has to be some standard for this, such as hands pressed flat against a flat surface, with all fingers together, or each finger extending in a straight line from its source carpal (or metacarpal, whatever it is).
Having said that, she looks like a fat, ugly cunt — which is what Rush should have called her, as it does not imply sluttiness. He’s entitled, because libs call him a fat ugly cunt all the time.
Such is the nature of the discussion amongst some of the internet’s most steadfast advocates for the rights of men.
Chuck himself adds a few parting thoughts in a comment suggesting that Fluke’s biggest crime was that she didn’t ask for birth control coverage nicely enough:
When you ask for something from someone you don’t demand it and then demonize someone who doesn’t cave in to your demands. You ask and the other person chooses whether to reciprocate. All of this is akin to someone asking a stranger for a hitch across town and then screaming and yelling when rebuffed
It’s true. In the past, activists have always been extremely polite about their demands requests. You may recall the famous anti-war slogan: “Heck no, we would prefer not to go.” The “Excuse us, fellas, but we would also like to be able to walk around at night” marches. And of course, Martin Luther King’s famous, “Guys, would any of you like to hear about this dream I had” speech.
All Chuck and his friends are asking is that fat ugly dyke cunts stop being so darn rude when they call on insurance companies to provide certain kinds of medical coverage. Is that really too much to ask?
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I’d better put that blinking
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IIRC, i told a troll who originally went by the handle “Desi” – and who had sockpuppeted under at least 20 different handles on my blog – to slide down a razor blade bannister into a vat of acid. she was fucking with me (among many other things, put a harmless but annoying video of Ahmed’s “I Kill You” in my comments several times after I asked her not to) so i responded. contrary to how the commenter here is remembering it, i didn’t attack the woman for being a woman or for giving her opinion.
if you were to read my blog you’d see that i don’t just attack women or write in a critical tone about women just being women. i respond to feminists or to leftists with entitlement mentalities.
@Quackers & pillowinhell
Is this it: [TW for vileness]
http://glpiggy.net/2011/09/03/social-proof-hollywood-edition/#comment-23328
Brain bleach, bring it on.
quakers, pillow:
where have i written anything that suggests that i want to or believe that anyone else has a right to control women? pull the quote. an employer not providing no-co pay birth control is not “controlling” women. the government forcing an employer or insurance company to do that is the only incidence of exerted control.
granted, i feel that there should be limitations to when a woman can have an abortion (viability), but i don’t think anyone has a right to force a woman to carry a fetus, but i also don’t think that the fetus is anyone’s responsibility but hers and the man who helped to create it. but as far as controlling what women do, i’d never suggest that anyone can force women to do something at the point of a gun. but i hold the same principle in the opposite direction. nobody can force employers or insurance companies to do that which they just don’t want to do. you guys are only halfway in favor of freedom.
Quackers, imagining MRAs bashing their keyboards is an unexpected perk to being a feminist. Here I thought I’d be sitting around without a date…and yet at least ten times a day I’m doing something that drives misogynists around the bend! Given my twisted, dark and quirky sense of humor, I could totally be an old spinster catlady and consider it a bargain!
Pleasingly, life does not at all work the way MRAs think, as at least two of the head exploding things I do everey day is my partner!
Remember folks, he’s putting this forward in his own defense.
@Piggy
Yeah nice try. A dude who links to Roissy and the Spearhead- websites who’s writers express that women need to be controlled and shouldn’t be allowed to vote or work….I’m sure he only attacks women who he deems are “entitled”
What are our entitlements hmm? the right to vote? the right to work? the right to get a medication included into insurance WE pay for?
Why don’t you run along and jerk off to some 1950s movies and keep dreaming of a time you will never see.
And the icing on the crap cupcake:
http://glpiggy.net/2011/09/03/social-proof-hollywood-edition/#comment-23338
Oh, look, FactFinder’s back…and still a confusing dolt.
Piglet who the fuck said we were talking to you?
I read your blog piglet. I know what you say and your followers. I also know whart kind of entitlement mentality you need to have to say what you do. I alsoi know that you wanted her raped with a serrated knife and lemon juice. But thanks for confirming that your vile enough to say such things. Trust me, I will never be able to get that image out of my mind. Your blog left quite the impression.
Others have answered your question (in particular, ThePosterFormallyKnownAsElizabeth), but since it’s not getting through, I may as well have a shot.
The answer to your question, to my mind, is firstly, that birth control is now considered an essential medical service for women; that women, be they straight or gay, monogamous or playing the field, need to be able to control their own fertility in a modern society. Around 80% of american women have been on the Pill at some stage in their lives, and almost 99% have used some form of birth control (with similar numbers from across the religious spectrum). To deny affordable and easy access to this medical service would disadvantage women, particularly poorer women, and their families and can inhibit their ability to plan their own future and decide how they participate in society.
Secondly, medical care is a private affair, between a person and their health care provider. An employer, regardless of their feelings on the matter, should not be allowed to dictate to others what is in and what is out of their health insurance. You’ve got to remember that women both 1) pay into health insurance funds with their own money; and 2) that health insurance is usually also a part of a compensation package. To the extent that an employer pays for their staff’s health plan, this is usually, at least partly recovered by reduced wages.
So, why should the whims of the boss dictate the inclusion of birth control in a health plan, particularly when they’re not meeting the full cost of the plan? An employer deciding that they don’t want to include birth control in a health plan directly affects the decisions of some women (and their families) to use it… stopping some from using it even if they wanted to.
tl;dr: Contraceptive use is a decision to be taken by a woman, her partner, and her doctor, and her boss shouldn’t get a say, particularly when they’re not paying the full amount.
@cloudiah
Wow…no he doesn’t women at all!
Do you respond to male dissenters in the same way piggy? How would you feel if a feminist blogger responded to a troll by telling him to cut his dick off and pour lemon juice in the wound? we get our fair share of trolls and sockpuppets here and never say such horrible things.
*doesn’t HATE women at all
I get the distinct impression that the concepts of regulatory authority, preventative medicine, and just plain getting what you pay for, are deep mysteries to the troll house cookie brigade.
Dude, you’re here bitching about women having sex getting their health insurance to actually cover the stuff that lets them have sex. You have no such kittens over men getting this help. You can fool yourself, maybe, but not us.
Anyone who actually needed to be forced would still be a shitty person, they’d just have been coerced into decent behavior. And yes, a number of employers were (and are) unethical in their choice of health care coverage. Many more continue to go out of their way to keep employees part time so they don’t have to pay for health insurance. Not every company does this shit, but it is indeed a common thing to do.
You have a right to health care, because that access is so critical to protecting everyone; it means that an illness has that much more trouble ruining a family. Part of that, both as a fraction of health care, and as part of your right to be protected from preventable disasters, is the stuff that makes sex safer for all involved.
Do you think every single woman on the campus knew beforehand?
Yeah; the former is more likely the result of deliberate attempts at obfuscation than the latter, which is likely a mistake.
Right, only women are ever misled by insurance salespeople or fine print. They’re the only ones who’ve ever been unhappy with insurance companies screwing them. Only one sex. All men forever have inscrutable due diligence, and are never tricked or otherwise mistaken by health insurance.
Oh look! Here it is! Right in the hollywood comment section! Piglet, the appropriate response to an annoying troll is to ban, mock or ignore them. Not this:
“amn Chuck!!! Why are you darn angry? Saying that I should stab myself in the vagina and pour lemon juice in it WTF!! You need to chill out. Mackie looks the most alpha in this picture big freakin deal. Everyone has pretty much the same thing. Get over it Chuck!! Stop being so sensitive.”
Bah, my mental editting machine is imperfect. “You’re here complaining.”
Quakers:
“Yeah nice try. A dude who links to Roissy and the Spearhead- websites who’s writers express that women need to be controlled and shouldn’t be allowed to vote or work….I’m sure he only attacks women who he deems are “entitled”
What are our entitlements hmm? the right to vote? the right to work? the right to get a medication included into insurance WE pay for?”
link to anything i’ve written in which i argue that women should be denied such rights.
Rutee:
You do realize, I hope, that you’re arguing for positive rights whereas I’m arguing for negative rights, right? Do you equate the right to the protection of property as equal to the right to health care?
>>my argument is that there is no principle on which the government can mandate this
Actually there is. All law is simply the arbitrary whim of a state, based on that state’s interests at the time.
@Piggy
Not wasting my time going through your blog dude. You support Roissy, The Spearhead, Vox Day and a bunch of other Manosphere sites…it’s pretty obvious what your beliefs and opinions on women are. Hell this blog has done posts on you before, including this one. Nice try one again though.
An added bonus is also knowing how much I probably piss off the racists..*ahem* sorry..”white nationalists” since I’m never having any children I’ll be depriving the world of a white baby!
Being a cat lady is no insult to me. If anything the manosphere has turned me off to dating even more than it did before I found out about it, I’d rather have a cat or two than deal with that bullshit.
I have a dark and…I guess you could call it quirky sense of humor too 🙂
Quakers:
If you’re not going to waste time going through my blog then don’t make a fucking assertion that you can’t back up. The post that I remember off the top of my head that Futrelle wrote on was the one where I argued that women aren’t as funny as men. That’s not about me trying to control women. To me it’s not much different than saying that women can’t run as fast as men. Me saying that is different than me saying that women axiomatically cannot tell jokes or run or that they should be prevented from doing so. Do you see the difference?
If a feminist actually said that it would go viral in 0.0001 seconds. And then everyone would point and scream “Feminists are man-haters! Fucking bitches!”
What strikes me is how oblivious most people are to the virulent misogyny online. Even the most innocuous videos or blogs about either women or feminism are met with comments like “Who the fuck let this woman out of the kitchen.” and “WOMEN ARE INFERIOR.” or “That’s great, but what’s for dinner.” And women are expected to tolerate this constant bullying. (Yes, that’s right, it’s bullying!) If they don’t, they are humorless feminazis.
But just a few comments the other way around is enough to spark a shitstorm and send butthurt bigots screaming “This is misandry! Feminism is killing is a criminal organization killing men! We live in such an INSANE PC CULTURE!” If those bigots got anywhere near the amount of virulent comments people from disparaged groups receive they would melt into a puddle of tears on the first day.
And this same rule applies to other disparaged groups of people. Not just women.
Those who dish it out really can’t take it.
@Piggy
Really? Have the damn decency to admit what you are. Like the GOP you think you can use clever rationalization and tactics to hide your misogynistic beliefs. You are a misogynist. You link to misogynist blogs. You use misogynistic words. You tell dissenters to rape themselves with knives. You believe in “game” which is misogynistic because its encourages manipulating women into sex and advocates the women don’t know what they want. On top of that you link to two of the most misogynistic game blogs out there, which have even been criticized by other PUAs.
If I had a blog and had a bunch of feminist and leftist blogs in my links, what would you conclude? stop pretending to be daft and at least have the guts to own up to the fact that you think women are inferior/so “different” or at least that you sympathize with those that do have those beliefs.
And women not being funny is not an objective fact.
Well..the white nationalists won’t be happy with me either. I have children, but we aren’t white enough for the nazis. Guess my great great grandmother can rest in peace knowing that she’s paid back the kinds of bastards that brought her so much miserey.