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So the other day, the atheist blogger Rebecca Watson, aka Skepchick, had this little conversation on Twitter:
Watson, you may recall, got herself onto the Men’s Rights radar a few months back, after a brief comment she made in a podcast — suggesting that perhaps it wasn’t such a good idea for a guy to hit on woman he’s never spoken to before while the two of them are alone in an elevator at 4 AM – somehow turned into a Big Fucking Thing on the Internet, because how dare she say such a thing, it’s creep-shaming, she must hate men, bla bla bla.
So, anyhoo, one Men’s Rights Reddit noticed this little Twitter exchange, and posted it to the Men’s Rights subreddit. And there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth. MRAs hating women? How dare she suggest such a thing!
Here are some of the things that assorted Men’s Rights Redditors posted in response, to remind us all that the Men’s Rights movement isn’t all about shitting on women. Let’s start with this lovely rebuttal, boasting nearly 60 net upvotes:
This comment inspired a long and winding discussion of the word “cunt,” and why it’s like totally ok to use it all the time, because in England the UK people call men “cunts” as well.
Some got a little carried away:
This little exchange came with a side order of irony:
Speaking of fantasy, here’s a strange bit of paranoia, which nonetheless drew upvotes from the very same people who are outraged that Watson was a bit creeped out by a dude she didn’t know asking her to come to his hotel room at 4 AM:
And here’s still more evidence that MRAs, despite their many egregious flaws, do at least have vivid imaginations:
Some other comments, all of which got at least a few upvotes from the MR regulars:
Let’s end with this eloquent plea for people to not give a shit if MRAs hate women:
The folks in the Men’s Rights subreddit are currently debating whether or not to change the subreddit’s slogan, which is currently: “Mens’ Rights: Earning Scorn from Bigoted Feminists and White Knights Since 2008.”
So let me humbly suggest:
Mens’ Rights: Like it’s even relevant if mens rights is anti women in regard to if mens rights is a movement about addressing mens issues.
Or the even punchier:
Men’s Rights: i’m tired of not using the term “cunt”.
MRAs, you’re welcome.
Whoops ninjaed.
And not a moment too soon.
YES PLEASE LET’S DO THIS
Or we could acknowledge that the dictionaries we use are the lexicons in our heads? And that they are a heck of a lot more complex than the definitions in a written dictionary?
Based on the dictionary, I have learned that forty is as many as four tens, and that’s terrible.
Cupcake,
Get. Your. Facts. Straight.
Asshole is not a gendered insult, because all genders possess one.
You were not insulted by being called a “prick”, “dick”, “bitch” – which are all gendered. You were called an asshole. (And that’s one of the nicer things we could say about you.)
Ha! Ninja’ed as well! Thanks David, I could hardly keep my eyes open…
-_- zzz
PS. Bwahahaha! While checking to see if any of the Horde had used a gendered insult in reply to Steerscupcake before he received his ban, I found this delicious comment:
Steersman: I see… you failed at one dictionary attack, and are trying another.
1: The insults I used are, as your quotation from Baldwin makes plain, based on the social attitudes which underlie the group referred to in the insult, and the use of transference of those negative traits to the attacked individual.
So I am not making an analogy. I am making a direct parallel, between the one groups insult power, and the lack of that same pattern on the part of the other group of words insult power.
Because there is no socially understood set of traits which are, ipso facto seen as innately connoting bemeaning, denigrating and insulting charactersitics, in the ways that n*****, k***, d***, f*****, and (since it’s where we started) c*** have.
No, obviously not as many if not most here have already made up their minds –
No. You are confusing your lack of ability to repeat the same argument in differently obfuscational paragraphs with actually making new arguments.
It would be nice if you were presenting facts, to add to the confusing power of your persiflaginous verbiage, but sadly all you seem able to do is engage in repetitio ad infinitum using the same tired trope you opened with. This is as enervating to us, as it was stultifying to the Pharyngulites and is, based on Dave’s comment last night, unlikely to lead to any better result for you here, than you were able to eventuate there.
Those of us who desire to maintain our waking state, would be better served, given the post-penumbral nature of the hour, in reviewing other threads, where we will be less threatened with the attentions of Somnus, and the subsequent embrace of Morpheus.
Those of us who are low on Ambien, however, are; perhaps, behooved to give your meditation more perusal it they deserves, that we might gain some, personal, advantage from the failure of execution you have managed to extract from your absolute lack of comprehension.
Damn… just missed the mark.
I’d like to point that it’s a terrible analogy. I have a few friends and family members who are homosexuals and I’m pretty sure none of them are sexual practices but are actually people.
It’s even wronger when you realize that even homosexuality isn’t a sexual practice.
It’s even wronger when you realize that even homosexuality isn’t a sexual practice.
Exactly – some of us perfected it years ago.
Feminist’s brains are slowly rotting from menopause
Feminist’s brains are slowly rotting from menopause
Feminist’s brains are slowly rotting from menopause
Feminist’s brains are slowly rotting from menopause
Feminist’s brains are slowly rotting from menopause
Feminist’s brains are slowly rotting from menopause
Feminist’s brains are slowly rotting from menopause
Feminist’s brains are slowly rotting from menopause
Feminist’s brains are slowly rotting from menopause
Feminist’s brains are slowly rotting from menopause
Feminist’s brains are slowly rotting from menopause
Feminist’s brains are slowly rotting from menopause
Feminist’s brains are slowly rotting from menopause
Feminist’s brains are slowly rotting from menopause
Feminist’s brains are slowly rotting from menopause
Feminist’s brains are slowly rotting from menopause
Really? Even those of us who aren’t post-menopausal? How does that even work?
All work and no play makes Jack a dull troll.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull troll.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull troll.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull troll.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull troll.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull troll.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull troll.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull troll.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull troll.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull troll.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull troll.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull troll.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull troll.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull troll.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull troll.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull troll.
@Dracula
lol!
Dude, wait, wait, wait, slow down. Why everybody, icluding MRA, think it was a hit on? From her video the guy said: “Don’t take this the wrong way. But I find you very interesting, and I would like to talk more. Would you like to come to my hotel room for coffee.”. You have to strech it a lot to make this look like a hit on. If he really wanted to pick her up, he would just say “I would like to know about you more.”. It is more likely he really wanted only to chat, and better know the feminist movement, I can even go as far, that because of this, they have lost a would be male feminist.
This is a common misconception, everybody makes the assumption that it was 100% a hit on. You can’t build arguments on vague assumptions. Now that is what I call prejudice.
Uh, dude? Maybe in the alternate reality you apparently inhabit that would not have been an attempt to hit on someone but in this reality asking someone if they’d like to have coffee in your private hotel room at 4am is 100% hitting on them. Or “a hit on” if you prefer.
And of course, had she gone to his room and he did seek sex with her everyone would castigate her for being a twit and not seeing the obvious come on.
Dude, trust a woman to know when she is being hit on. Its not a rare occurrance for most women after about the age of twelve.
Dude… because she was being hit on. It may have been the most low-key… “maybe we’ll talk and she’ll say she likes me and thinks I’m cute and will make a pass at me” sort of passive hitting on, but if someone asks you to their room at 0430, it’s being hit on.
I was a bit clueless in my youth, and the pass often had to be make more explicit, but I’ve never had someone ask me such a question, and not had them want to have sex with me.
I see Elevatorgate isn’t dead yet (are we still calling it that?)
“Maybe in the alternate reality you apparently inhabit that would not have been an attempt to hit on someone but in this reality asking someone if they’d like to have coffee in your private hotel room at 4am is 100% hitting on them.”
And rather obliviously hitting on them too.
Then the reason why I still don’t find this as a hit on, because I live in a fundamentally different European country. (we dona’t speak indo-european languages here) If somebody would say something like this to a woman at 4 am, here it would be a simple invitation for chat. Of course people would find it starnge to do this at 4 am, not because of sexual, but personal issues: if I am obviously go to my room for sleep, it would be inappropriate to make this offer, and illogical too, since I am tired, and a tired person is no good conversationalist. Americans are a bit strange.
“Dude, trust a woman to know when she is being hit on. Its not a rare occurrance for most women after about the age of twelve.”
Women can misinterpret the nonexistent “sign” very often. In a foreign country where I was sight-seeing , and making photos of a historic building, a woman passe before my camera. And immediately accused me of making photos of her, being a pervert, paparazzi and harassing her. When I explained to her that it was no way my intention to take pictures of her (sometimes I have to use sentences like: not for every wealth of the Earth, or not if you were the last one on Earth, I am bit ashamed of it, but somebody just don’t get it first when I am not into them), and I am standing there for a while and taking shots of the building, she said I must be gay, for not finding her attractive.
I mean how can somebody be so self-centered, to think that she is the ideal of every male on the planet? I have more important things to do on vacation than watch woman, if I would really want to, I could do it at home too, it’s irrational.
i dunno man, how can you be so self-centered as to lecture us on a set of customs you admit to knowing nothing about, or to make up bullshit about a woman you’ve never met?
Are you illiterate?
Men only hit on women who’re their personal ideal? Well, that flies in the face of everything else that dudes like this believe about men, women, and sex.
JU you’re seriously going to sit there and tell me I don’t understand the culture I live in, when you know nothing about it yourself?
That one woman once made one mistake does not mean that women in general cannot decipher social cues, especially where they involve sexual requests by men. Women here don’t often get the luxury of staying niave because we take the blame foir being sexually assaulted.
So I suggest that you take your personal problem of thinking women are self centered idiots and keep it carefully tucked away where no one can see it.
Fucking LOL