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Men’s Rights Redditors to Rebecca Watson: How dare you say we hate women, you [obscene gender-related slur]

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So the other day, the atheist blogger Rebecca Watson, aka Skepchick, had this little conversation on Twitter:

Watson, you may recall, got herself onto the Men’s Rights radar a few months back, after a brief comment she made in a podcast — suggesting that perhaps it wasn’t such a good idea for a guy to hit on woman he’s never spoken to before while the two of them are alone in an elevator at 4 AM – somehow turned into a Big Fucking Thing on the Internet, because how dare she say such a thing, it’s creep-shaming, she must hate men, bla bla bla.

So, anyhoo, one Men’s Rights Reddit noticed this little Twitter exchange, and posted it to the Men’s Rights subreddit. And there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth. MRAs hating women? How dare she suggest such a thing!

Here are some of the things that assorted Men’s Rights Redditors posted in response, to remind us all that the Men’s Rights movement isn’t all about shitting on women. Let’s start with this lovely rebuttal, boasting nearly 60 net upvotes:

This comment inspired a long and winding discussion of the word “cunt,” and why it’s like totally ok to use it all the time, because in England the UK people call men “cunts” as well.

Some got a little carried away:

This little exchange came with a side order of irony:

Speaking of fantasy, here’s a strange bit of paranoia, which nonetheless drew upvotes from the very same people who are outraged that Watson was a bit creeped out by a dude she didn’t know asking her to come to his hotel room at 4 AM:

And here’s still more evidence that MRAs, despite their many egregious flaws, do at least have vivid imaginations:

Some other comments, all of which got at least a few upvotes from the MR regulars:

Funny how most of feminism is shitting on men and generally being a cunt under the guise of empowerment and “equality.”

She should do something about that uni-brow.

She’s only in the atheist community to give her a broader audience for her hateful attention whoring.

Let’s end with this eloquent plea for people to not give a shit if MRAs hate women:

The folks in the Men’s Rights subreddit are currently debating whether or not to change the subreddit’s slogan, which is currently: “Mens’ Rights: Earning Scorn from Bigoted Feminists and White Knights Since 2008.”

So let me humbly suggest:

Mens’ Rights: Like it’s even relevant if mens rights is anti women in regard to if mens rights is a movement about addressing mens issues.

Or the even punchier:

Men’s Rights: i’m tired of not using the term “cunt”.

MRAs, you’re welcome.

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blitzgal
8 years ago

The thing that pisses me off the most about Elevatorgate is the fact that Rebecca Watson would be “wrong” as far as these folks are concerned no matter what happened on that elevator. She’s wrong for assuming coffee meant sex. But if her podcast had been about how a stranger assaulted her in an elevator (or in his room), then she’d also be wrong because what did she expect was going to happen at 4AM? That is the clearest illustration that she’s exactly correct when she says that the MRM is about “shitting on women.”

magdelyn
8 years ago

/r/mensrights really does scare you, doesn’t it, David?

Second!!!

Lauralot
8 years ago

/r/mensrights really does scare you, doesn’t it, David?

Translation: I can’t possibly defend the horribleness on the subreddit, but I have to be obstinate so I’m going suggest that thinking people treating women like shit is awful makes you a coward.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
8 years ago

Breaking News: Men on Internet Angry at Woman, Call Her a “Cunt”

It’s funny, and sad, how MRAs seem themselves as some bold revolutionaries challenging the system when the reality is their use of sexism and violent rhetoric is nothing new at all. That’s why Reddit is the perfect place for their little cesspool to fester.

Polliwog
Polliwog
8 years ago

I’ve sort of gotten accustomed to how hateful MRAs can be, but I’m still frequently surprised anew by how staggeringly stupid they can be. How is it possible to have more than two working brain cells and think, “The best way to respond to a woman accusing me of hating women is to call her a dumb cunt; that’ll show her”? How do their skulls keep from imploding due to the vast vacuum within?

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
8 years ago

see themselves*

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
8 years ago

“I’m not misogynist, you cunt!”
I’m not a homophobe, you fa**ot!”
“I’m not racist, you n**ger!”

The irony is astounding.

zhinxy
8 years ago

That mras find any kind of mention of their existence such a staggering proof of their success in making feminists shake and scream and cry is always a fascinating glimpse into the fantasy role playing gsmeworld they inhabit….

anarchic teapot
8 years ago

Men’s Rights: i’m tired of not using the term “cunt”.

Hmm, that one’s not bad, but since they apparently lean on UK usage to justify themselves, they should perhaps note that in most of the UK, the word is applied to *men*

Therefore I would offer this correction: i’m tired of not being a “cunt”.

Magnesium
Magnesium
8 years ago

That last MRA’s username is really “COCKPUNCHER”? I’m not even sure what to think about that.

I love the spermjacking fantasy, though. It’s definitely mensrights.txt. It reminded me of the Birch Barlow character from the Simpsons:

Birch Barlow: Mayor Quimby, you are well known for your lenient stance on crime, but suppose for a second that your house was ransacked by thugs, your family was tied up in the basement with socks in their mouths, you try to open the door but there’s too much blood on the knob….

Mayor Quimby: What is your question?

Birch Barlow: My question is about the budget, sir.

Karen James
8 years ago

I’m the other person in the Twitter exchange that sparked the gnashing of teeth. This is my first time being called a cunt on the Internet. Lovely! I just want to say I stand by my tweets and I stand by Rebecca. As you can see I didn’t even know what MRA was until a few days ago. Great first impression, guys.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Men’s Rights: Doing nothing and liking it since 2008.

Myoo
Myoo
8 years ago

@Magnesium

That last MRA’s username is really “COCKPUNCHER”? I’m not even sure what to think about that.

Must be a Steven Seagal fan:

Kendra, the bionic mommy
Kendra, the bionic mommy
8 years ago

Wow, she really didn’t like us calling her out on her having a rape fantasy on an elevator did she?

MRA’s do not understand rape fantasies at all.

They also accused Watson of using a Photoshopped picture. That definitely discredits everything she says, because a woman’s looks determine the truthfulness of her statements. For example, if I looked like Greedo from Star Wars and said that lava is hot, that would actually make it false. If I were Megan Fox and said that lava is cold, that would make it true. Logic!

Karalora
8 years ago

No matter how callous and vitriolic MRAs are toward women, they maintain they are not misogynists. So I have to ask: what would qualify as misogyny in their eyes? How nasty does a person have to be toward women before these dudes will agree that said person hates women just for being female?

Timid Atheist
Timid Atheist
8 years ago

Mags didn’t get first, I am disappoint.

I find it amazing that these MRA regulars claim that Rebecca is the worst skeptic ever, then go about perpetuating things like the “consumer spending gap” as a thing. If anything men are more willing and able to spend money when single. And if married, the woman does most of the spending because half the time men like them don’t want to go shopping and thus aren’t the ones buying groceries.

Do they honestly think every marriage out there has the wife set up as the queen bee and the husband as the lowly male doing chores and earning money?

Also the argument that because men are frequently called cunts means it’s not a gendered insult boggles me.

Cloudiah
Cloudiah
8 years ago

Wow, Rebecca Watson really does scare /r/mensrights, doesn’t she, Magdelyn?
/sarcasm

boomboom
boomboom
8 years ago

Oh lordy

(another insightful comment from me).

darksidecat
8 years ago

It’s too bad I can’t really get into Watson’s writing style in general, she does get such ringing endorsements from sexists.

Anathema
Anathema
8 years ago

I find it amazing that these MRA regulars claim that Rebecca is the worst skeptic ever, then go about perpetuating things like the “consumer spending gap” as a thing. If anything men are more willing and able to spend money when single. And if married, the woman does most of the spending because half the time men like them don’t want to go shopping and thus aren’t the ones buying groceries.

I find it amazing that they go after Rebecca Watson for being a bad skeptic while being so incredibly unskeptical of the way our society views gender too.

I’ve found that trying to think critically about how our society views gender has made me more of a feminist. For me, skepticism and feminism go hand in hand. That these wanna-be -skeptic MRAs to whine about how Rebecca Watson is somehow anti-skeptic because she’s a feminist is simply mind-boggling. So when these MRAs decry feminism as unskeptical, they might as well be saying, “How dare you think critically about the way gender is viewed in our society! How dare you actually examine the evidence that shows that people are treated unfairly because of their gender! How dare you point out that the facts don’t actually support our preconceived notions! Critical thinking, examining the evidence, and questioning our unsupported preconceived notions makes you a bad skeptic!”

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
8 years ago

No matter how callous and vitriolic MRAs are toward women, they maintain they are not misogynists. So I have to ask: what would qualify as misogyny in their eyes?

Bigots never like to admit that their ideas are bigoted. Even the goons over at Stormfront of all places will insist they aren’t racists. It’s either because are so ignorant that they see their opinions as simply truthful observations (See: the ol’ “I’m not racist but…” line) or because they see the term “racist” as implying a negative judgment of their views., regarldess of how extremely racist their views might be.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
8 years ago

Just when I thought I got the blockquotes down…

BoggiDWurms
BoggiDWurms
8 years ago

So when these MRAs decry feminism as unskeptical, they might as well be saying, “How dare you think critically about the way gender is viewed in our society! How dare you actually examine the evidence that shows that people are treated unfairly because of their gender! How dare you point out that the facts don’t actually support our preconceived notions! Critical thinking, examining the evidence, and questioning our unsupported preconceived notions makes you a bad skeptic!”

And that makes them no better than bogus authorities who insist on your compliance and obedience.

Question (or just talk to) an MRA, and an acid hailstorm rains on your head. What better way to promote critical thinking! MRAs are such rebels, fighting for truth and justice everywhere!

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
8 years ago

Also the argument that because men are frequently called cunts means it’s not a gendered insult boggles me.

There was a great (by which I mean ‘terrible’) comment posts on SRS last week, wherein an MRA explained that there was nothing sexist at all about calling a man a “bitch”.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
8 years ago

Oops, that first part was meant to be a blockquote from Timid Atheist.

BoggiDWurms
BoggiDWurms
8 years ago

@Crumbelievable

Here is how I do it.

Like this.

[blockquote]
Like this.
[/blockquote]

I replaced the “” symbols with the “[ ]” symbols for the sake of instruction. To get the blockquotes, replace “[ ]” with “”.

And also note how the blockquotes sandwich the text.

Like this:

[blockquote]
Like this.
[/blockquote]

Not like this:

[blockquote]Like this.[/blockquote]

If you don’t sandwich it, then whatever you write afterwards becomes part of the blockquote.

Hope that helps.

Holly Pervocracy
8 years ago

Crumbelievable – It’s almost weird after a while. They know “misogynist” is a bad thing that their enemies call them, but they also seem to think it’s a meaningless bad thing, like it’s just a synonym for “poopy doodoohead” and not a specific description of their treatment of women.

So then you end up with constructions like “how dare that c*nt say we hate women! that’s just the sort of thing a stupid spoiled paranoid woman would say!”, because they’ve forgotten that “hate women” isn’t just an insult but is actually quite descriptive.

BoggiDWurms
BoggiDWurms
8 years ago

*I mean the symbols. (The carrot symbols.) They always dissappear. lol

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
8 years ago

@Boggi:

I was already shown how to do it, but thanks. I think I might have written “blockquotes” instead of “blockquote” which would have messed it up.

Holly Pervocracy
8 years ago

Also the argument that because men are frequently called cunts means it’s not a gendered insult boggles me.

Also the “dicks” thing.

1) No, it’s not equivalent. “C*nt” has the weight of umpty-zillion years of institutionalized sexism and disgust for female anatomy behind it. “Dick” is kind of a gross rude thing to call someone, but it doesn’t hearken back to “you know, that body part that’s gotten you treated like a second-class citizen since birth?”

2) So these guys think it’s bad to call someone a “dick,” right? They think genitalia-based insults are wrong, right? Shouldn’t that make them less likely to say “c*nt”? Otherwise you’ve established that it’s okay to use these insults in “revenge,” by which logic we’re allowed to call them dicks.

They’re not real big on this whole “be the change you want to see in the world” business, are they.

Timid Atheist
Timid Atheist
8 years ago

Crum, I’m glad to see I’m not the only one that fails at getting quotes right on these sites. Every place is different, drives me crazy as a programmer!

Anathema, you’re right, the whole idea that being a feminist is not skeptical boggles me. In fact, I started researching and reading up on Feminism about 2 years ago and found my way to skepticism via Skepchicks and eventually to atheism via skepticism. Now that’s just me, so obviously I can’t prove that’s true for everyone, but it truly bothers me that these groups like the MRA subreddit bring up skepticism and then fail to prove anything they claim. Or they cite studies that are outdated or worse, done poorly or with bias. Or even better, what they cite is simply another MRA quoting yet a third MRA as if what that person said were simply fact and not rhetoric.

It’s enough to make a person exhausted.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
8 years ago

@Holly:

Also, to take a leaf out of yoisthisracist.com’s book…

Is there really a non-misogynistic reason for wanting to use the word “c*nt” to describe a woman? Why do they want to use that word so badly?

Timid Atheist
Timid Atheist
8 years ago

They’re not real big on this whole “be the change you want to see in the world” business, are they.

It doesn’t help that there are some people who do this regardless of what change they are seeking whether it’s feminism, humanism, et cetera. I have to had to continually rethink my views on race, gender, sexuality, etc. in the past few years because I really do want honest change and equality. Yet some of these MRAs seem to simply want what’s best for them and to burn anyone who won’t do as they demand. What’s worse is they burn their own allies by making requirements for what a man should or shouldn’t be and toss any man who doesn’t fit the mold they feel all men should be cast from.

Roscoe P. Coltrane
Roscoe P. Coltrane
8 years ago

@crumbelievable:

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No further explanation is needed (I hope).

pillowinhell
8 years ago

Its more like “Mens rights..ruining womens lives since forever”

Viscaria
Viscaria
8 years ago

Does talking about things disapprovingly mean you’re afraid of them? If so, today I have revealed that I am terrified of pairing pin-striped pants with solid suit jackets, and embedding determiners within noun phrases.

Shadow
Shadow
8 years ago

I’m deathly afraid of skinny jeans for men and repetitive lyrics in rap cause me to become catatonic with fear.

Rutee Katreya
8 years ago

/r/mensrights really does scare you, doesn’t it, David?

Its more like “Mens rights..ruining womens lives since forever”

Nah, they’re powerless. Most of the patriarchy doesn’t have a persecution complex, remember? XD

Does talking about things disapprovingly mean you’re afraid of them? If so, today I have revealed that I am terrified of pairing pin-striped pants with solid suit jackets, and embedding determiners within noun phrases.

Oh is that how it owrks? Then I fear a lot of fictional deities, I just got done explaining all the shitty ones to a friend so he can score better in Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup’s tournament.

Anthony Zarat
8 years ago

Good news! I have been banned from TGMP (again), so I will be spending lots more time here!

Lets get started then!

Apparently, I posted the detailed description of Obamacare’s discrimination against men, boys, and fathers in an old article. But since boobvillle is a one trick pony, it won’t matter! The debunk is just as pertinent here, as it was in the other one!

Women only PRIVILEGES outlined in Obamacare (a few examples):
———————————————————————————-
1) Birth control for women, but not for men
2) Sterilization for women, but not for men
3) Smoking cessation for women, but not for men
4) STD treatment for women, but not form men
5) Cancer vaciine for girls, but not for boys
6) Violence prevention for women, but not for men
7) Breast health for women, but no prostate health for men

Women only POWER outlined in Obamacare (a few examples):
——————————————————————————-
1) Every health plan must be reviewed to “take into account the health care needs of women”, but no provision for health care needs of men.
2) Financing for a huge study on “the relative mental consequenc3s for women of resolving a pregnancy in various ways .. carrying to term .. adoption .. miscarriage .. abortion”, but no money for the consequences for fathers.
3) Establishes an “Office of Women’s Health” within the Office of the Secretary.
4) Mandates that the Secretary of Health “monitor the Department of Health and Human Services’ offices, agencies, and regional activities regarding women’s health ..”
5) “Establishes a Department of Health and Human Services a Coordinating Committee on Women’s Health ..”
6) “Establish a National Women’s Health Information Center ..”
7) Mandates “efforts to promote women’s health programs and policies with the private sector ..”
8) “Establishing within the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Administration and Office of Women’s Health ..”

There are dozens more offices, programs, departments, committees, and privileges for women only in Obamacare.

How about men?

Zero. Nothing. Actually, the word “men” only appears 2 times in Obamacare, both in “women and men” statements that mean nothing.

In contrast, there are 134 occurrences of the word “women” in Obamacare, all but two of which outline special women-only programs or bureaucracies.

In short, Obamacare is the greatest act of state sponsored bigotry since Jim Crow. A massive edifice to feminist discrimination against men, boys, and fathers.

It goes without saying that this happens in the context of a healthcare system where men and boys face significantly worse outcomes than women and girls.

Sorry for knocking down your ideological edifice. Go Rush! Civil rights hero! The only American with the courage to face the feminist beast!

Bigots.

Shadow
Shadow
8 years ago

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHA!!! That is the greatest example of barking with your tail between your legs that I’ve ever seen! AntZ really IS an overgrown maltese!

Anthony Zarat
8 years ago

Time for the cool residents of chickville to put on your thinking caps!

Does anyone have a good justification for why Obamacare welcomes women, but turns its back on men, boys, and fathers?

Hello? Anybody home? Echo-o-o-o-o …

BlackBloc
BlackBloc
8 years ago

>>Anathema, you’re right, the whole idea that being a feminist is not skeptical boggles me.

There are large pans of the skeptics movement who have rewritten the history of the Satanic Ritual Abuse panic of the 70s-80s so that instead of a Religious Right panic with some token credulous/woo woo feminist allies thrown in, it was entirely a creation of the feminist movement and their ‘hysterical’ fear of non-existent rape.

Moewicus
Moewicus
8 years ago

“Sorry for knocking down your ideological edifice. Go Rush! Civil rights hero! The only American with the courage to face the feminist beast!”

Bwahahahahaha, that you think you have any credibility to call anyone else a bigot after that nonsense is delightfuly hilariousl. Between that and “well, I got banned from TGMP again,” that was really good for a laugh. Thanks, Antsy.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Zarat, VR or get the fuck out.

Bostonian
8 years ago

Since providing vascectomies, Viagra, and prostate screenings included with their insurance is just the worst, right AZ?

Cloudiah
Cloudiah
8 years ago

Antz, you need to (a) read the rebuttals to your original post, (b) cite some actual facts from credible sources in support of your assertions, and (c) stop spamming by posting the same thing multiple times. I know you think it’s edgy and all, but it’s just kind of sad.

Dracula
Dracula
8 years ago

You think that if you start the discussion over again in a different thread we’re just gonna forget that lots of people have responded to you already, Zarat? I seriously want to know, who the fuck do you think you’re fooling?

This is well beyond pathetic.

Moewicus
Moewicus
8 years ago

Anybody want to link to rebuttals, for greater justice? I would find it both amusing and informative and would promise myself to whomever did it.

Okay, maybe not the last part but you know.

Shadow
Shadow
8 years ago

I don’t argue with puppies AntZ because. while their yipping can be cute, it’s rarely informative.

Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

Zarat you are a fucking liar. I refuted all your BS in the Rush Limbaugh cartoon thread. Viagra and smoking cessation is covered for men in Medicare and Viagra is covered by insurance companies. So are vasectomies.

Meanwhile, see all MRAs completely misrepresent this article:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/relationships/9126265/Research-finds-women-feel-happy-when-their-husband-or-partner-is-upset.html

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/qkaqp/women_feel_happy_when_their_husband_or_partner_is/

Meanwhile I’ll quote Legolas’ comment from the reddit thread:

Legolas-the-elf 1 point 3 hours ago*
This headline appears to be a complete misrepresentation of the study. If we take a look at an article that goes into more detail we see that the satisfaction is tied to their partners empathising with them.
(Spelling edit: I’m pretty sure it’s got nothing to do with them emphasising!).

once again MRAs lie to make women out to be evil. The very first paragraph is “The detailed study found that wives or girlfriends were pleased when their partner showed emotion because they believed it demonstrated a healthy relationship.”

and somehow this translates to “women loooove it when men are miserable!!!”

also it a good example of how the media twists things to bait people into a tizzy.

Jackasses.

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