It’s Defend Pedophilia Day on Reddit, as it is every last Wednesday of the month day. Here’s an SRS thread covering some of the creepiest creepery in the latest round of Reddit Pedopologia. For example, these comments, from a fella calling himself Sirhotalot:
Child pornography is a multi-billion dollar international industry for a reason, people enjoy it. Humans are the most sexual creatures on the planet, the second is our closest relative the bonobo ape. Kids and adults have been having sex since before the dawn of man. If you want the rape and the kidnappings to stop you legalize it and take it out of the hands of the black market. Prohibition doesn’t work.
Yep, that’s right, he’s arguing that the best way to stop the abuse of children inherent in the production of child porn is to legalize it. And he got more upvotes than downvotes for his cheerful child porn apologetics.
After thinking the issue over a little more, Sirhotalot returned with an reassessment of sorts:
Edit: I was wrong about the child porn industry.
Yes, yes you were.
Apparently it’s actually quite small.
Yeah, that’s really not the main problem with your child porn apologia. The main problem is that IT IS A CHILD PORN APOLOGIA.
So, yeah, this is why I’m not on Reddit. The stink of these asshats is sure to rub off on me.
Also, since Rutee mentioned the use of the “Really 700 years old” excuse in art, I recently finished Super Robot Taisen: OG Saga, and that is the exact excuse they used for a character. Also, sadly (hilariously?) I saw it a LOT in some of the art communities I used hang around in.
*hugs* for Amphitrite. That is a shitty thing to go through.
@Amphitrite:
That was one of the most measured rage posts I’ve ever seen. My hat; I tip it to you.
Not to be a broken record, but sorry. I’m afraid with my grab bag of experiences, I end up raging at psychopaths, spouse abuse, and any mistreatment of kids with predictable “kaboom-ness.” I’m especially fun at parties.
Bleh.
/whispers to the stage manager to pull out the hook, so the dancing trolls can continue.
/wave
/whoosh!
/re-lurkifying to practice blowing stuff up with my mind
@ Buttman “I’ve seen some pictures on facebook that would embarrass me if I was the girls parent but it doesn’t make it illegal just because an adult finds it arousing. The deletion of the jailbait subreddit was a violation of reddit’s and American’s principles.”
Grown men stealing pictures of little girls from their Facebook pages and trading them as jerk-off material online: one of the founding principles of this great land. OTOH, I’m willing to consider the proposition that being a creepy pedo is a fundamental part of being a redditor.
@ Buttman- “I don’t agree with legalizing any video or pictures of children made by adults but partially clothed pictures of teenage girls that they posted on their own are NOT paedophilia.”
I actually agree with an aspect of this; teenage girls who are ill-advisedly posting pictures of themselves in their underwear do not deserve to be tried for child pornography. They are just being young and stupid. The grown-ass adults who circulate that shit though? Lock ’em up. Just as you have no right to grope a teenager in public, no matter how scantily she is dressed, you have no right to distribute pictures that she took herself.
@Amphitrite I am so sorry that you and so many other kids went through that awful experience. And I want to 2nd what kirbywarp said — if only I could be half as eloquent when I am perfectly calm as you are when you are in a justifiable rage!
Amphitrite, thank you for telling your story.
@ M Dubz – “Just as you have no right to grope a teenager in public, no matter how scantily she is dressed, you have no right to distribute pictures that she took herself.”
One of the things that I think came out of the hullabaloo surrounding the banning of sexualized images of children on Reddit (aside from pedant pedos desperately clinging to the word “ephibophile”) is the fact that this distinction is utterly lost on a large swath of redditors. Their attitude is literally: you are either pro sex or a prude. If you object to the sexualization of children, you must be a prude. It’s impossible for them to grasp the idea that an adolescent might have a sexuality but still be off-limits for sweaty gross Internet perves.
A big thing that the SomthingAwful thread on Reddit (featuring numerous SRS posters) has been tracking recently is child porn defenders comparing their opponents to homophobes. There’s a lesbian poster whose wife is receiving messages from a pro-childporn redditor saying “your spouse is a homophobe” because she spoke out against child sexual exploitation.
You know, the “It’s Nature!!!!!11eleventyone!!! And Therefore True and Right and Just FOREVER” arguement really grinds my gears. Almost as much as the “It’s TRADITION!” one.
Most people’s ideas of what is “natural” and what is not come from tradition.
@Amphitrite
I’m sorry you and your siblings had to endure such horrors. I can’t believe you were able to be so articulate in your post despite such experiences.
*hugs*
Amphitrite, I’m sorry for what you and your relatives suffered through. No one should have to experience that.
“I assumed that this article was a part of a feminist campaign to lay the groundwork for legal prohibition of VR relationships”
“Paranoia [ˌpar.rəˈnoɪ.ə] (adjective: paranoid [ˈpar.rə.noɪd]) is a thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself. Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia. For example, an incident most people would view as an accident, a paranoid person might make an accusation that it was intentional.”
Get help, Antz. When you’re running around fighting imaginary political campaigns, that’s not a good sign.
Am I missing something here? What does this have to do with evil feminists? I’m pretty sure there are many people who don’t identify as feminist who find child abuse/pornography pretty despicable.
In order to prohibit VR relationships wouldn’t they have to…exist?
Or if not, wouldn’t the first step be to call for the banning of dating sim games? Dating sims of course are incredibly common and no-one in particular seems bothered.
It is the evol Feminazis who argue that the rape torture and abuse of women and children does not qualify as free speech for men. MRAs argue that it is.
Further, the MRAs argue that if it were perfectly legal for any man to stick his dick in anyone anywhere any time (except perhaps other men) and record it for posterity and profit all would be right with the world. This is also why MRAs hate the VAWA.
This one goes out to you, Zarat.
@Amphitrite
I’m so sorry 🙁 Please do not feel bad about sharing your experience *offers all the hugs, if you want them*
And yay, even AntZ could agree that CP is actually pretty awful!
I can’t find the original video, but that will work anyway.
“Don’t date robots” (Futurama)
You see! They’re already trying to convince us that VR are bad! It’s a gigantic plot!!
Antz said:
“Do you bigots realize that a victimless crime is not a crime?
http://www.japanator.com/elephant/post.phtml?pk=8753
So what is your problem? Some guy wants to buy videos, so what? If you don’t like it, don’t do it.
You feminists remind me of intolerant religious conservatives. What gives you the right to tell everyone else what they can, and can’t, do with their own bodies. You should join the “moral majority” and fade into irrelevance.”
Well that’s a misleading link, isn’t it? If no children are being raped then the material is made it may be distasteful to non pedophiles but in many places it isn’t illegal. Besides, it’s still to be established that the consumers of Loli/shouta are child-molesters. And frankly, if watching Loli/shouta prevents pedophiles from molesting real kids, I’m all for it.
Amphitrite, thank you for sharing your story, and sorry that anyone had to undergo that.
SaraGoku said:
“You feminists remind me of intolerant religious conservatives.”
Oh yeah that’s a good point. Feminists and Religious conservatives are pretty much the same exact thing. Can you tell feminist arguments from religious ones? It’s so tough! I always just wind up flipping a coin to guess.
Actually Saru Goku was just quoting AntZ’s earlier post, the one where he thought this was the first attack against our VR future
Ahh crap. Sorry Saragoku.
“You feminists remind me of intolerant religious conservatives. What gives you the right to tell everyone else what they can, and can’t, do with their own bodies. You should join the “moral majority” and fade into irrelevance.”
This is about what people do with the bodies of children. Something Antz can’t really complain about laws restricting, since his conversion to the MRM stems from his wanting to control not what people do to children, but what they say say to children .
Omigosh, Sci-Fi Zarat is back! With the VR girlfriends and segregating the sexes on opposite sides of the continent and everything! He’s my favorite Zarat! So much better than Random Spearhead Linkdump Zarat or You’re the Real Bigot for Being Bigoted Against My Bigotry Zarat!
It’s been too long.
Admission: I kind of thought you guys were making it up/exaggerating about AntZ and VR, etc., since I haven’t been around here and was too lazy to go back and find the posts where he talked about it. That’ll teach me to doubt you! 🙂
Out of respect for David I’m refraining from writing something that would make Boondock Saints look like Sesame Street.
That said, I read a article recently wherein a federal prosecutor coined a term I now prefer in regard to child pornography. Ze referred to child pornography as “child sexual abuse imagery” which is a much more accurate description. Ze referred to it that way throughout the trial.
debbaasseerr:
That’s OK, it’s easy to get confused around here because there are several ways in which we quote one another.
Amphitrite:
That was a very fine post! Thankyou so much for being so brave and telling us.
Ugh, you know, this is kind of why I don’t stop by here very much. On the one hand I enjoy David’s humour and these things need mocking and there are people here I’d like to stick around and get to know better.
On the other hand I can really get through my day more easily without knowing about shit like this.
Revolting.
In no other way I can describe this. If this is not an example that these people should be put away so they can’t hurt anyone, I don’t know what is.
I think the bit about “rape and kidnappings” is rather, uh, telling. Legalizing CP isn’t going to stop a rapist from raping and/or a person from kidnapping. There’s many reasons why raping and/or kidnapping occur and many of those reasons have nothing to do with CP being legal or not.
And my mind is boggling at how fucked up this guy is. There are no words…
Generally, in fact, MRAs are hysterical over love affairs and dalliances between adult women and underaged teenage males. Virtually all MRAs vilify women as “rapists” and “pedophiles” for allowing biological men under age 18 to penetrate them in de facto consensual relationships, sex equality dogma taken to lunatic extremes, and are outraged that such women aren’t sentenced to 5 or 10 or 20 years in prison in a country in which the average time-served for murder (including nonngegligent manslaughter) is less than 6 years and the average time-served for all violent crimes is approximately 4 years. And men, who commmit over 90% of violent crimes, are by far the primary beneficiaries of this systematic indulgence. See, for example, the demented Elam’s “registerher.com.”
Ooh, Michael K is back! Michael, wasn’t it you who came here blathering on about how vaginal penetration was the only real “rape” rape, and nothing else is severe enough to merit the term? Much like you were wrong then, you’re wrong now! Children can’t meaningfully consent, be they male or female or anything else.
The only thing close to right in that paragraph is the part about Elam, and even then, he’s not demented, just an extreme asshole.
Ah, what anybody involved in sex worker’s rights and fighting anti-porn legislation hears. What about child pornography! Surely this is a slippery slope! Surely you have no defense against the same arguments used for child pornography! Oh, what you have wrought!
And there’s a very simple answer to that, and it’s that no, it’s not a slippery slope to being okay with child rape. At all. There’s not really a slippery slope that leads to that. Sure, this guy can be using rational legalization arguments about child rape, but he could just as easily be saying it was the will of space Jesus. It’s still not a slippery slope. Sorry, puritans and child -porn advocates.
@hellkell, good point. Actually, he managed to work “hysterical,” “lunatic” AND deranged in there. Were you playing “marginalize the mentally ill” Bingo, Michael? If so, did you win??
He also said “biological men” to mean… cis men? Cis men and trans women? That’s a little sketchy.
By “a little sketchy” I mean “that seems deeply problematic to me, but I can’t really articulate why, so I feel like I should leave it to people actually affected by transphobia to say anything if they wish instead of trying to define it for them.”
I assumed that this article was a part of a feminist campaign to lay the groundwork for legal prohibition of VR relationships.
This is the funniest thing I’ve heard all day.
Unfortunately it’s sandwiched in the middle of a thread of completely horrifying.
Thanks to Antz’s comment, I’m now picturing Judge Dread stomping on an Otaku’s computer, screaming, “I AM THE LAW!!!”
(Or wait…shouldn’t that be Judge Susan?)
zhinxy: You don’t want to mess with Space Jesus.
lol @ Space Jesus
True story: I was in a hospital once, and I talked to a guy who believed that the Hubble Space Telescope is actually a giant laser, made to try to incinerate Jesus if he ever comes back to Earth.
Sorry, NWOSlave, but someone has you beat.
isnt that essentially the plot of the divine invasion?
Wow, I’ve heard some stupid shit before, but giant space laser takes the cake. Wouldn’t be it way less suspicious and way more efficient to just have him quietly murdered? People are gonna notice a huge fucking laser beam from space.
let me tell you about a man named ronald reagan and a dream he had of a war. a star war.
Also… that logic is deeply flawed on so many levels but mainly: access to pornography or opportunity to purchase sexual acts are not making rape or selling people nonexistent. Hell, the statistics paint entirely different picture. Women, men and children are kidnapped, raped and killed, though for the first legal access to prostitutes exist. So… nope, not working.
Second… I have no idea on what these people base their idea that kids exploring their own sexuality is the same as “being able to consent or have the maturity or enter a sexual relationship with another person, especially an older one”… the fact that they are failing to distinguish these two is troubling, to say the least.
(If this has already been said, sorry, just… to creeped out to read the previous comments. I know the blog has the regular creepers and lurkers and I can’t bear to read them and their attempting fails to somehow justify this.).
Obvious joke, but…