Someone posted this image in the comments at A Voice for Men. As far as I can figure it, it depicts brave MRAs pulling down the allegedly evil Violence Against Women Act, which for some reason is represented by the Venus of Willendorf. Because women are fat? Or is just feminists who are fat? Or battered women?
Is every supposed MRA cause really just an excuse to talk shit about women?
OH, this video, I tried to embed, it’s called “Jessica Valenti STILL wants women to be killed” (because he had a video up previously arguing seriously that JV wants women to be killed.
And now he’s claiming that she’s using and invoking Sodini as a scare tactic. Again, turning reality on its head. Trigger warning on this guy perpetually stands as his game is psychological abuse, like Paul Elam. He’s not above out and out lying and fabricating as well.
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8i7FNwgyK8&w=560&h=315%5D
@Elizabeth:
Ok, wow… The situation is much simpler than it seemed to be. Thanks for having already done the work for me. 🙂 Plus you’ve already made the bonus point of “women suffer disproportionally, so VAWA-funded programs will provide services likewise.”
God damn finding information is hard, on the internet, when you’re mainly going through opinion pieces, news articles, blogs and posts…
@boomboom:
This guy’s video is really irritating in a silly way. His tactic is to take an informal interview and pick apart every other word, reading Valenti’s words far more deeply than they were attempted…
I mean, the thing he claims to show: Valenti can’t tell the difference between Feminist and Woman, Valenti claims a false dichotomy between “against feminism” and “For men…”
On that last one, Valenti says that the MRM is more against feminism than for men. The guy claims that she’s making a false dichotomy between the two… No. What she’s saying is a statement of fact: the MRM is more against feminism than for men, not that if you are against feminism, then you are against men as well.
Kinda explains a lot of the terrible reasoning in the rest of the video…
Question, Futrelle: if MRA ideas really are as incoherent, inept, and devoid of real ideas as you claim, why do you spend so much time attacking them?
I have nothing to add except these:
http://www.treelobsters.com/2012/02/351-zra.html
http://www.treelobsters.com/2012/03/352-shuffle-up-artist.html
@Kirbywarp: inding information is hard, on the internet, when you’re mainly going through opinion pieces, news articles, blogs and posts…
Kirby, you can filter out general (.com) sites in a Google advanced search, or you can use the general search and add a site designation.
For example, for a lot of my Raving Researcher searches, I use X search terms and then add the site designation:
site:edu
That gives me only sites ending in .edu which are US universities (which ignores universities in other parts of the world, I know).
Or use
site:gov
Which will give you government sites.
You know who else isn’t gender neutral? Gynocologists. I went into my local gynocologist’s office the other day and demanded to have my Willy fixed. They told me to go somewhere else! Yet insurance companies pay for gynocological services for WOMEN all the time. Blantant misandry.
@Kirby:
The funny thing is that he’s the one creating a false dichotomy–between MRAs and people who care about men’s issues.
Also remember this is the guy who tried to justify murder of some Swedish radfems as self-defense. Reasoning is not his strong suit.
Oh wow MRAs are for beating women? That is a total shock.
Thanks mags, once again, defending the indefensible! What would abusers do without the MRM to protect their precious beating up people rights?
like elizabeth said, vawa has always been gender neutral. it’s called vawa because one of the substantive problems it was intended to address was local law enforcement systematically ignoring violence by men against their female partners
also, i’m glad to see that mags has abandoned her nonsense argument that vawa violates the equal protection clause
This show is bound to be an MRA favorite. It’s about an “alpha male” who has to contend with his feminist co-worker. Oh and the alpha male is played by Dane Cook.
http://www.avclub.com/articles/dane-cook-is-a-smarmy-misogynist-douchebag-on-nbc,70164/
You’re lucky you were just turned away! A true gynocracy would have chopped it off right then and there!! Truth.
Seriously, it’s like that.
VAWA: Violence against “women” act.
An unconstitutional legal statute which places the privileged class in a position of legal heirarchy above all men.
Some of the thing that are included as DV when directed at women only of course include; calling her a bad name, (her discretion of course), raising your voice, causing “annoyance” or “emotional distress,” not doing what your partner wants, withholding funds for whatever she wants to spend it on.
There are around 60 or 70 “sections” of VAWA which specifically exclude men. An action or words spoken by a man towards a woman is considered DV where as the reverse is not considered DV. Under VAWA a woman has carte blanche to literally kill a man. Under VAWA, woman always = victim. Man always = oppressor.
Unlike many of you hate filled proponents I’ve read VAWA as well as the VAWA predominant aggressor police training Duluth wheel model.
Modern western society is trained to hate boys/men from birth. Manboobz is just the continuation and expansion of that hatred. Propaganda from birth works quite well as modern society is a cesspool of hatred for boys/men.
Whats truely amazing is the level of hatred. When a man merely raises his voice towards a woman it’s considered DV, yet a woman can beat a man senseless and claim she felt fear and it’s DV against her, the hatred of man is thoroughly ingrained into society. The same people that want to expand “hate crime” laws endorse laws that are hate crimes against men/boys.
Manboobz isn’t the first to endorse wholesale hatred of men, just one of the many cogs that bask in the glow of that hatred and violence the State doles out to all men in favor of women.
I’ve said it before and it bears repeating. Men have died and suffered by the billions for women and children. Oceans of mens blood have been spilled for women. When will one single woman stand up and be willing to shed a little blood, or bloody the nose of another woman for men?
@nwoslave
Actually all the language on threats and emotional abuse is gender-neutral. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c103:1:./temp/~c103Oq8NL4:e435986:
I agree that the text for DV victims’ shelters should be gender neutral. Ideally an amendment should be written to fix that. However, that isn’t what Republicans, or MRAs, want. They want to do away with the legal protections of the bill, the vast majority of which also protect men. There is no bill on the table from any Republican, nor any suggested bill from any MRA, that would give more legal protections to men. All you want, all that you are asking for, is form women to not have protections. And you want women to fix this. But women can’t give you something you don’t want. The day you write to your representative asking that VAWA be made more gender neutral is the day that many feminist support you. However, if all you keep asking for is fewer protections for both men and women, why would they?
I think NWO is the first person I’ve ever met who talks about how much of a tragedy it is that so much blood has been spilt, a tragedy I say! And then goes on to say that it can only be made up for with more blood spillage.
I got nosebleeds in the winter, does that count? 😀 /TMI
Aww, NWO’s back! It hasn’t been the same without him.
Welcome back, NWO!
I hope you were doing okay in your absence from here 😀
“There are around 60 or 70 “sections” of VAWA which specifically exclude men. An action or words spoken by a man towards a woman is considered DV where as the reverse is not considered DV. Under VAWA a woman has carte blanche to literally kill a man.”
This needs to go into the Book of Larnin’, right now.
When will one single woman stand up and be willing to shed a little blood, or bloody the nose of another woman for men?
Running short on wank material, NWO?
(Sorry for account-switching, forgot to change it on my phone)
Hey NWO, whose nose would you like us to bloody, anyway?
“I think NWO is the first person I’ve ever met who talks about how much of a tragedy it is that so much blood has been spilt, a tragedy I say! And then goes on to say that it can only be made up for with more blood spillage.”
THE UNIVERSE IS MADE OF BLEEDING!!!!1
Argh on the html.
I blame the NWO version of the VAWA.