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Your penis, your choice — not your responsibility!

Ladies use these to extract money from helpless men.

When men and women have consensual sex, who is responsible? If you said “both, because they both agreed to and participated in it,” you might be some sort of misandrist feminazi. Because, as W.F. Price explains in a recent Spearhead post, it’s really women who are responsible for consensual heterosexual sex.

If you’re wondering how that could be, well, keep reading. Price starts off by considering what he calls “the feminist claims of mass rape throughout society.”

If as many rapes happen as they claim, chances are someone on your street has been raped recently. There must be multiple simultaneous rapes occurring at any given time within your zip code. Can you hear the silence screaming around you? (this is probably what goes through the minds of feminists).

Why yes, Mr. Price, chances are that someone on my street has been raped recently. Indeed, I know numerous women who have been raped. I’m guessing most women don’t share the intensely personal fact that they’ve been raped with you, Mr. Price, because you’re the sort of person who likes to go around talking dismissively about “the feminist claims of mass rape throughout society.”

Let’s continue:

Anyway, the point is that if men are so irrepressibly prone to rape and so sexually voracious, and women so prone to being unwilling, then who really is most responsible when consensual sex does happen?

Well, that’s an interesting approach to logic: snidely dismiss the fact that rape is common, then go ahead and assume it’s true for the sake of the rest of your argument:

One of the most sacred and cherished rights of feminists is the right to say “no” — that is, the right to deny sex. Do men value the ability to deny sex as much as women? Perhaps when it comes to forced sodomy, but that isn’t a common issue. One rarely sees men marching down the street with placards declaring that “NO MEANS NO,” and when they do, they are generally just holding signs for women. So, if women actually like denying sex, and are more likely to exercise that power, who has more choice when it comes to whether or not a given sex act will occur?

I cannot help but marvel at the twisted logic here. Women want the right to say no to sex they do not want to have. But getting this “no” to be taken seriously is such a problem that some women organize actual protests in the streets to declare that “no means no,” and this means that … they are the ones responsible for sex.

And if women are more responsible for sex than the men they have sex with, just who should bear the responsibility for the pregnancies that sometimes follow? I think you see where Price is going here, but let’s let him spell it out:

Let’s break it down:

    Men have a higher sex drive than women

    Men have less control over their sexual impulses

    Women value the ability to deny sex

    Women are far more likely and able to deny sex than men

If the above are true, then barring outright rape, surely women are more to blame for pregnancy than men. So why does the law treat males and females as equal participants in the sex act, and why does policy hold the man to be more responsible? Clearly, the female has more control.

Since women sometimes say no to sex, they should bear all the costs of raising children?

It’s the strangest evo-psych argument I’ve seen so far: Since men are hardwired to be horndog sex-havers, they shouldn’t have to take responsibility for the consequences of this sexual activity, at least when it comes to contributing something to support the children that sometimes show up about nine months later. Ladies: think of the poor men, at the mercy of their boners! How dare you expect that they pay their share of the costs of raising a child?

In Price’s mind, child support is not only unfair to poor horndog men, it’s  a cancer destroying civilization as we know it:

There’s been a lot of hand-wringing over the disintegration of the American family and marriage, but few people dare to point out the obvious reason America is fast becoming a nation of bastards. It’s actually fairly clear: women are not being held to the appropriate level of responsibility where their sexual choices are concerned. In the old days, it was understood that, barring rape, women were more responsible for who they slept with than men, and if they screwed up they had to deal with it. This is why the rate of illegitimacy was so low for so long. However, today, women can get pregnant and receive guaranteed support from not only the government, but whatever random man they permitted to have sex with them.

Raising a child as a single mom is apparently the easiest thing in the world. But making men pay for a portion of the costs for this child is tyranny!

Holding men more responsible than women for sex has been an abysmal failure, yet the policy remains in place despite thousands of years of received wisdom that lets us know it is a bad idea. Holding men and women equally responsible would be inappropriate as well, but we’ve gone past even that. Without some change in policy soon, the majority of all births in the United States will be illegitimate in a decade or so. The current system, which absolves women of responsibility for a choice that is largely in their hands, and for which they have even more options and tools at their disposal to deal with the consequences than ever, is unsustainable.

Despite his own handwringing about the state of The Family, Price doesn’t’ spell out how married men fit into his sex-responsibility equation. Are married men considered as responsible for babies as their wives? Is this responsibility retroactively nullified if they get divorced? It’s all very complicated. Which is, I guess, inevitable, once you arbitrarily decide that two consenting adults who have sex with one another are somehow not equally responsible for this sex.

Naturally, the Spearhead peanut gallery provided many more nuggets of wisdom. WGMOW – apparently a woman herself – gave Price’s bizarre argument a big ditto:

I don’t even see anthing debatable here. It is entirely the females who make the decision when and where to get knocked up, and then get child support from a man with the means to provide her with a bank account and credit cards seemingly for life. It there is no such man available she gets handouts from Big Daddy Government in the form of welfare, Sec 8 housing, free utilities, food stamps, free health care, free college education, and in some states, even a car.

These are the females that feminists say are “strong, powerful, and smart.” Bullshit. They are just as dependant as the females of the Victorian age. Then, they went from the care of their fathers into the care of their husbands. Now, they go from the care of their welfare mothers into the care of the government. All courtesy of our tax dollars.

AfOR put it even more bluntly:

The law fucks men over because they can be made to bleed more than a wimminz, they make better hosts for the parasites of society than wimminz.

Who exactly are the parasites here? The babies?

Hf seemed annoyed that women are allowed any autonomy at all:

Women typically struggle with knowing what exactly it is that they want. The “No Means No” movement is just as much trying to convince themselves and each other as it is trying to convince men. Deception is very much a part of a woman’s autonomy.

Nehalem provided a new slogan for the no-male-responsibility-for-sex-or-babies movement:

To get the point across more easily I suggest we modify a common liberal slogan and say:

Her body, her choice, her responsibility.

This being The Spearhead, it sort of goes without saying that each of these comments got dozens of upvotes.

Apparently, then, the only responsible course of action for unmarried women today is to never ever have sex with men. No sex, no consequences, no responsibilities to share with force upon men! But somehow I suspect that the MRAs of the world wouldn’t be happy with this solution.

 

 

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cloudiah
cloudiah
9 years ago

Also, I should read the link before clicking!

blessened
blessened
9 years ago

“This being The Spearhead, it sort of goes without saying that each of these comments got dozens of upvotes.”

New mensrights slogan: There are dozens of us! DOZENS!

karalora
9 years ago

I can’t even tell what the “logic” is here. Price’s assertion seems to be that men bear no responsibility because they never, ever choose to have sex…but at the same time he seems to be saying that men always choose to have sex when the option presents itself. So which is it?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

I think the theory is that for men sticking your penis in things is an automatic behavior that’s not under your conscious control, like breathing.

Morgan
Morgan
9 years ago

Trying to make sense of Price’s…er…”logic” gives me a headache.

Is he basically saying men’s brains are in their balls? One would think so with all that blather about men being unable to control their sex drive.

From the academy awards to this…I need to go to bed.

Steph
9 years ago

When I was a kid Bozo was the thing that aired before Sailor Moon at about 5 in the morning, so I saw only the end of it, but about a hundred times. They filmed the audience leaving and called it ‘The Grand March’. IT’S TIME FOR THE GRAND MARCH, SO FOLL-OW ME! (blurry kids file past camera)

M Dubz
M Dubz
9 years ago

“The law fucks men over because they can be made to bleed more than a wimminz”
I would just like to make it known that most women spend a quarter of their fertile lives bleeding 😀

Anatomy, how does it work?

belledame222
9 years ago

“wimminz” blog

what is that I don’t even

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

Ya know, I have a strong hunch that the MRAs use the “men are all rapists” argument in an effort to get feminists to agree with them… then when feminists don’t agree, they can go “ho ho ho, so men aren’t rapists, eh? You’ve just invalidated your whole movement!” Or something…

Except… they never really do that last bit. And they aren’t smirking all that much, and there’s far too much casual misandry for it to be intentional.

zhinxy
9 years ago

“I wonder if they take the line that a child is solely the child of the person who birthed them when it comes to child custody cases, or are they just assuming no man ever wants to have, raised, look after, etc. any child?”

I think it’s more a matter that if the father WANTS the child, it’s THEIRS, and thus in the wise old days when you could kick the mother out and keep the children (To be raised by servants), it was good. And if the father DOESN’T want the child, it is entirely the choice of the mother to have it or not, so in the wise old days when bastards were abandoned, it was good. Yes, not even all fathers in “The Past (TM)” Were such assholes, but the ones that were not were manginas.

zhinxy
9 years ago

Anyway, this further brings home that MRA’s do not really have a critique of the State, even a douchey right-libertarian or Conservative one. It is just a term for “Women, and how they get free stuff, and make us do stuff, and take our children, or make us pay for children, and plus there is minorities getting stuff too, and I have to pay taxes and I am the only one that does and someday it will fall down and I will be the natural lord of all I survey. Or at least take away women’s votes, because if women couldn’t vote we’d all be free, or something, rargle flargle margle.”

Mesogog
Mesogog
9 years ago

A few years ago I ejaculated my baby batter into an incubator, and for whatever reason, it took. Now, if I had been a beta or an omega, I would have been fucked, let me tell you- eighteen years of slavery, by which point your sexual market value will have been flushed down the toilet. Good luck Gaming as a fifty-year old beta grandpa.

Of course, since I was an alpha, that was not a problem. I remember she told me over dinner in her apartment, voice barely a whisper, tears running down her face and dropping in the microwaved spaghetti. She was sorry, she said, sorry for everything. Sorry for letting this happen. Snot ran from her nose as, crying uncontrollably, she beseeched me to stay, to love her, to give the baby a chance at a good life.

Manipulative bitch.

I got up and walked out, my dick rock hard as I pictured her web of lies falling apart all around her. She apparently called the police, but when the cop cars approached, flashing lights bathing the sidewalk in blue and white, they saw my swaggering cock leading out eight inches in front of me, swaying with each step, a testament to my status. Then they understood, and they panicked, slamming their foot on the reverse pedal and, tires squealing, the cops fled.

I spent the night in my fuck-buddy’s mansion. And in the guest bedroom, as she gagged on my prodigious member, I stared up at the ceiling, deep in thought. Why are women such bitches?

zhinxy
9 years ago

Mesogog, you enthrall me. How may I join your harem? Even to sweep the floors of the harem, just to be near you.

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

I think the underlying logic here is like when my friend asked me if I wanted to go see a movie. I could say yes or no, but since she’d asked me, she could only say yes. Therefore, I did all the deciding about whether a movie would happen!

…Therefore, it’s only right that I pay for both tickets.

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

Oh, wait, factoring how MRAs feel about custody:

…Therefore, it’s only right that I pay for both tickets, then give them both to my friend.

Nephrite Yeqon
Nephrite Yeqon
9 years ago

but when the cop cars approached, flashing lights bathing the sidewalk in blue and white, they saw my swaggering cock leading out eight inches in front of me, swaying with each step, a testament to my status. Then they understood, and they panicked, slamming their foot on the reverse pedal and, tires squealing, the cops fled.

So that was YOU. I still have nightmares about that night. I had to quit the fucking force because your alpha cock kept haunting my dreams.

Night after night I’d wake up screaming “PUT IT AWAY PUT IT AWAY SHE’S YOURS SHE’S YOURS!”

I’m lucky I’m only a beta, my partner was an omega and his testicles shriveled right up and they’ve never recovered and he’s now a shell of his former self because fucking feminist health insurance doesn’t cover “testicle damage due to extreme alphaness”.

Fucking alphas.

(please don’t hurt me)

Kyrie
Kyrie
9 years ago

I misread Mesogog sentence as “baby butter”. Which lead me to wonder if such a thing existed.
Yes, it does.

Joanna
9 years ago

The “wimminz” blog is hysterical. Apparently the contraceptive pill is worse than heroine! Yeah this guy did his homework alright.

M Dubz
M Dubz
9 years ago

@mesogog- wow, that extended erection sounds painful. You should really get that looked at.

Jill the Spinster
Jill the Spinster
9 years ago

The “wimminz” blog is hysterical. Apparently the contraceptive pill is worse than heroine! Yeah this guy did his homework alright.

I have no idea why this sweet, loveable man would have been denied any access to his children, it’s like a guvment conspiracy or somethink. ( or he is really an incestuous pedophile with narcissistic personality disorder)

Joanna
9 years ago

@Mesogog: I thought waving your cock about was an arrestable offence. No matter how big it was.

jumbofish
9 years ago

mra porn nooooooooo

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

Hmm… this porn is suffering from “magic penis syndrome” somewhat…

Naira
Naira
9 years ago

For crap’s sake.

What if I just REJECT the notion that men are unable to control themselves? In 27 years, I have been in the vicinity of hundreds of men that I knew and thousands that I didn’t.

Never been raped. How can that be, if these thousands of men have no control? I should have been raped on every street corner in the Chicago Loop by now if that was the case.

Something tells me that most of them didn’t actually notice me, or give a crap about some random woman. Having been mowed over by a few guys in business suits, I think all I amounted to was an obstacle between them and work. It’s like…men can put their minds to things other than sex…like that big presentation at work, financial worries, THEIR OWN FAMILIES! They’re NOT staring at every female thing, wondering if they can get away with fucking it!

And Moewicus’s comment definitely hit home. Ugh. I’ll end up grinding my teeth to nubs if I have to read or hear about any more phoney evo-psych babble about men wanting and needing sex more. It totally erases them as having suffered, needing help and healing if he’s unlucky enough to have been abused.

filetofswedishfish
9 years ago

“Reverse pedal”? What the hell model of cars were these police driving? My car only has the accelerator, brake, and clutch pedals. I’m pretty sure all cop cars are auto these days.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
9 years ago

That ‘wimminz’ blog is something…looks like NWO has a friend.

Buttman
Buttman
9 years ago

The only reason there are so many single mothers is because of the welfare state. “Child support” is an invention of the welfare state. Things were better when men weren’t forced to pay for women’s decisions. It’s a woman’s choice but it’s a man’s enslavement. He has no choice but to become a walking wallet for the woman he had sex with. He has no right to equal parenting under our misandrist gynocratic system. If you take away all the financial incentives that men are forced to pay then the amount of single mothers would be cut in half.

pillowinhell
9 years ago

The main problem evo psych followers have is that its THE ONLY explanation for everything in life. Also, they belive that there are absolutely no nuances to it.

I’ll go as far to say that evo psych has a small amount of influence on any given person. However, the culture you’re raised in, the way you were raised and what works best for you as a person has a much bigger impact. Evo psych was meant as a study of the whole of humanity, individual variances are therefore likely to be huge. Evo psych followers also tend to overlook what opportunities are available. Why the hell would a woman who is quite capable of looking after herself and lives in a fairly peaceful society would hook up with an abusive jerk is beyond me. And they clearly don’t understand what an alpha male in primates like Bonobos or gorillas look like either. Alphas in those primates generally seek to settle conflicts in a way that de escalates the tensions, rather than beating on all and sundry. Geesh!

pillowinhell
9 years ago

Did anyone here read the wimmenz post where he talks about his ‘dirty little secret’? Yeah, I bet that guy was just such a great family man.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
9 years ago

Who started this whole alpha/beta bullshit anyway?

Joanna
9 years ago

“Who started this whole alpha/beta bullshit anyway?”

Wolves. The manliest quadrapeds of the animal kingdom.

Bostonian
9 years ago

The idiots who started the whole alpha thing were studying captive wolves. They did not understand what they were observing, and make things up as they went along.

Kyrie
Kyrie
9 years ago

Who started this whole alpha/beta bullshit anyway?
Jesus did. Well the alpha/omega part anyway. I don’t know about the beta.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
9 years ago

All good answers but I was wondering more about how that idea found its way into the Manopshere.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
9 years ago

Actually, scratch that. I’m guessing it has something to do with MRAs and their love of evo-psych bullshit.

Mesogog
Mesogog
9 years ago

Um, I would say that the Man Himself started it, when He decreed that His hot bitch, Mother Nature, should enforce rigid sociosexual roles in all gendered species. Why did He wish 80% of all populations to toil as an inferior underclass? To this I can merely say, the Lord works in mysterious ways.

But personally, I like to think that alphas, betas, and omegas earned their respective rank through actions in past lives. As a high-ranking alpha, we can assume that I was exceptional. I could have been, say, Babe Ruth. August Strindberg. Benito Mussolini. Betas were passable but unexceptional, while the omegas were the bottoms. Ed Gein, for example, was probably reborn as an omega, along with all the other losers who lived in their moms’ basements as adults.

Joanna
9 years ago

Oh Mesogog, you studly alpha you, take me under yon cyber anonymity and let us make passionate lulz together!

ozyMRAndias
9 years ago

Mesogog, it is so nice to find a fellow alpha in this hive of betaboys and manginas spouting nonsensical feminist dogma (or should I say CATma?) in the hopes of copping a pityfuck from a short-haired hippie chick with hairy armpits and a pussy gaping from all the alpha cocks who had pounded it for hours.

Alpha wisdom: it is necessary to spend time among your fellow men. Every second around a whiny beta’s seething estrogen leeches some of your precious testosterone.

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

…Eventually this place will have more fake trolls than real ones.

…I’m okay with that.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
9 years ago

Ozy, why do you list Toysoldier on your NSWATM links page? He’s proven himself to be an MRA troll.

Molly Ren
9 years ago

But personally, I like to think that alphas, betas, and omegas earned their respective rank through actions in past lives. As a high-ranking alpha, we can assume that I was exceptional. I could have been, say, Babe Ruth. August Strindberg. Benito Mussolini.

August Strindberg, you say?

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

pillowinhell: yeah, just read that one. This guy is a Grade A asshole.

“Secret” family courts, pshh. He and NWO should get together.

Pecunium
9 years ago

Myoo: A car? Even ignoring all the other bullshit, a car? I have never heard of any social service anywhere in the world giving anyone a car. A bus or subway pass, maybe, but a car? Who believes that?

I saw that. Blame it on Ronald Reagan, and his dog whistle, that, “welfare mothers are driving Caddillacs” while hard working people (whom he then screwed) are in beat up Chevy’s.

This is just the same idea, metastasized.

ozymandias
9 years ago

Crumbelievable: Because he was nominated as a sensible MRA ages and ages ago (before we figured out that, yes, the MRAs are ALL terrible) and I’m way too lazy to change things unless they are pointed out to me.

Jawnita
Jawnita
9 years ago

Pillowinhell-
the “dirty little secret” post is even more horrifying when you notice that the most recent post talks about how much ten-year-old girls are always trying to seduce their fathers.

Shadow
Shadow
9 years ago

Oh Mesogog, please take me under your wing! Alpha me up real good!

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
9 years ago

@Ozy:

I get the sense you’re, being sarcastic to mock me, but from the posts he’s made here , he doesn’t seem the least bit sensible. He’s the one who called us misandrist for doubting Antz’s story, ignoring the fact that Antz lies to us all the time. TS might occasionally write something halfway decent but othertimes he trolls just as much as every other MRA. And also he promotes the False Rape Society on his blog.

pillowinhell
9 years ago

Jawnita, I read that post too. All I can hope is that his ex knows about his blog and is saving his posts, in case he changes his mind and wants the kids back. I can’t think of any man who believes children and teens willfully try to seduce their parents unless they are pedophiles. Also, the whole rape apology thing where a father was confronted by his daughter and he says that she took her clothes off willingly…sorry at that point I had to log off. Just sick.

ozymandias42
9 years ago

Crumbelievable: No sarcasm here! MRAs are actually all terrible, and I am actually way too lazy to bother to change things. 🙂

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
9 years ago

@Ozy:

Ok sorry for being hostile then. It’s always hard to read people’s true expressions over the Internets.