The Burny Mike Show

“The Gene Wilder version is the ONLY version.”

A-fucking-men.

Wow, that is the most obtuse thing I’ve seen you say yet, Ullere. “This person didn’t OUTRIGHT SAY women are incompetent merely heavily implied it, so you can’t say that they said women are incompetent.

. The employment and increased failure of incompetent women and minorities has been recorded academically as the glass cliff effect.

http://psy.ex.ac.uk/seorg/glasscliff/

Did you read your research at all?

Thus women were more likely than men to be placed in positions already associated with poor company performance . In this way, female directors were more likely than male directors to find themselves on a glass cliff, such that their positions of leadership were more risky and precarious than those in which men found themselves.

While as you say any firefighter is capable of being incompetent and should be sacked if found to be so, affirmative employment policies result in women and other social groups being employed despite their incompetence.

Do you have any evidence for this proposition at all?

The glass cliff effect isn’t when incompetent women are promoted into positions that a man could do well, it’s when competent women are promoted into a risky position, such as after a company takes a downturn and any leadership position is doomed to fail.

Women who break through the glass ceiling in organisations are far more likely to be given difficult jobs than their male colleagues, psychologists have discovered.

Oh why, OH WHY won’t this stupid, PC World understand that the white male is the only competent group alive! All this stupid affirmative action bullshit is doing is depriving a post of some wonderful, white malehood

Ullere, I’m pretty sure you don’t believe yourself.

The op has not said that a female firefighter can’t do anything because she is a woman, you are fighting imaginary sexism. […] affirmative employment policies result in women and other social groups being employed despite their incompetence.

Nope, there’s no sexism at all in saying women (“and other social groups”) are employed despite their incompetence!

Or maybe you believe that affirmative action (which fire departments don’t have anyway, but we’ll continue) means that women are hired at random, whereas only the most qualified men are hired? That’s the most generous interpretation I have, and it only has the slight flaw of not making any sense.

Imagine: You’re a fire chief, and the Imaginary Feminist Overlords have decreed you must hire five women this year. Are you going to hire the five best women you find, or any five women at random? You’re going to hire the five best. And if you think that the five best women will still be incompetent fools… then, yes, you are being sexist.

incompetent women and minorities […] women and other social groups being employed despite their incompetence.

I feel like this counts as having literally every prejudice at once.

Yes but watch the video, Holly. That one woman couldn’t do it, therefore no woman can do it. Logic!

>Most failures on the job are by men
>Woman fails at job.
>Obviously women suck and aren’t capable of doing this job.

MRAs are such profound thinkers…

Ya know, I watched that video of the female firefighter on the game show… I’m pretty sure you don’t learn to throw yourself at a door to get it to open. The video insinuated that, as she was failing, there could have been a family (YOURS!!!1!) burning to death on the other side…

Yes. On the other side of a door where you use your body weight to get it past a the tipping point of a hinge joint…

Or, you just do the sensible thing and use a tool. Forcible Entry Techniques for One Fire Fighter

Anyway, this is just another example of the xkcd comic someone brought up earlier, with the added benefit of “woman fails at task she doesn’t perform in her line of duty.”

Ullere: You are splitting the hair pretty fine. Your argument (which is congruent to the OP) is that women who are hired are so incompetent that it requires gov’t action to get them so hired.

Unless what you are arguing is the Gov’t is taking random women (because they are women) and telling them they have to firefighters/cops/etc., because wel… WOMEN! The reasonable person has to assume that the women who are selected (even if there is pressure from above) are going to be the most qualified women who apply.

And… according to you, even those are woefully inadequate candidates.

Which is, in short, saying that women, as a class, can’t hack it.

“affirmative employment policies result in women and other social groups being employed despite their incompetence.”

Glad to know manwomanmyth (who is very intellectually incompetent) is more than just sexist. I’m glad when bigots who pretend to preach equality reveal their true colors.

Ya know, I watched that video of the female firefighter on the game show… I’m pretty sure you don’t learn to throw yourself at a door to get it to open. The video insinuated that, as she was failing, there could have been a family (YOURS!!!1!) burning to death on the other side…

Yes. On the other side of a door where you use your body weight to get it past a the tipping point of a hinge joint…

manwomanmyth is either hysterical or manipulative, perhaps both. What a man he is!

Ullere: “The op’s claims is that this particular fire fighter was employed as a result of her gender ‘she was employed for reasons of political correctness’ rather than her ability or through merit”

…Except that MRAs seem to think that about every woman.

RE The whole idea of women being naturally incompetent that Ullere et al are floating.

So, my Dad’s background is in engineering, and now that he’s in management he hires lots of engineers. He has said on several occasions that he likes hiring women because, if they’ve managed to get to the point in their careers where their resumes are on his desk, they’ve probably had to be twice as good as their male peers in order to get there. He also says that so far this assumption has always proven to be correct, and that the other reason he likes hiring female engineers is that they tend to feel like they have something to prove, so they work harder and make fewer mistakes.

The project he’s currently working on has no gender quotas. He’s still hired women, and they seem to be working out just fine.

(PS – Like Ullere, my Dad is a Scottish man. He’s also in his 60s. Once again I feel compelled to protect the good name of my people and point out that they’re not all sexist dumbasses.)