Life is tough for the beta male. During his twenties, as Manosphere dudes never tire of reminding us, women reject him, choosing instead to throw themselves wantonly at caddish alpha males.
Only after these cruel, callous women have squandered their youth and beauty – by the age of 30 if not earlier – do they turn at last to the betas, who’ve been patiently waiting in the “friend zone” the whole time. Those poor betas, nice guys and good providers all, are then lured into marriage with these now-ugly shrews, who are no longer interested in sex, and want only their money, often used to provide for kids sired by alpha males. (See here for Holly Pervocracy’s more detailed analysis of the “Greek system.”)
But life can be tough for the alpha male as well, driven to exhaustion by nearly constant sex with an incredible array of horny twentysomething women. The movie trailer below will give you some idea of just what the typical alpha male has to deal with on a daily basis.
Holly: I didn’t go to his birthday party after that. And I stopped taking his chocolate. And it occurs to me that he can legitimately say “I approached 500 women and didn’t get laid once,” but dude, women’s cruelty and fickleness is not the main problem here.
Nope, and part of his problem is that word gets around. I’ve never met the fellow you are talking about, but I’ve heard of him. The details were complete enough that, were he to show up at an event in my circles in the Bay area, and start that routine, he’d be spotted.
And probably told to leave.
Yeah, if it were true there’d be other confounds than ‘omega’-ness, but that’s besides the point. There’s no evidence that it is the case, so there’s no need to explain what other factors could there be.
Pecunium – Yeah, I have a feeling that if his stories about his approach methods are true, Eurosabra is a lot more of a known “local character” than he realizes.
That poor beta went to all the trouble of buying a box of chocolate and you couldn’t be bothered to reciprocate by letting him stick his penis in you? What an alpha fuck bitch you are.
Heartiste is an utterly utterly vile person. Starving babies because how dare a woman want to care for her offspring that he would foist onto her? I feel sorry for his mother to know she raised such a loathsome individual.
Also, my best friend in his younger “I AM DESPERATE FOR ANY WOMAN’S ATTENTION” days once was stood up 26 times in a row. Yet was never bitter about it-he even believes in love still while I tend to view love with the same distaste I have for Heartiste.
I would feel sorry for Eurosabra, since he’s obviously been taken in by the scam that is Game, but I find it hard to feel a lot of sympathy for someone who declares that they gaslight women (but, you know, only lightly) as if it’s no big thing.
“I used to take his chocolate, but then he sent me an email inviting me to his birthday party. I said okay. And then he sent a second email saying that he expected everyone who came to his birthday party to have sexual contact with him (“I’d prefer intercourse but at least digital stimulation to orgasm”) so I should prepare myself for that and let him know if I had any diseases.”
Sweet fancy Jesus, what a creep.
I am hoping your group can effectively kick him out somehow. He sounds horrifying.
Yeah this is just creepy and also stupid as hell. How can someone lack such basic social skills? I’d pity him a bit, but it would depend on whether or not he blames his failures on women or not.
Bostonian – As far as I know he’s not welcome at any parties, but unfortunately kicking someone out of munches is goddamn impossible. We had a whole drama trying to evict someone who actually groped people at munches and he’s back now because “he’s been good, I think he’s really changed.”
There’s a lot of talk now about how to make the local scene safer, but progress has… not been swift.
What is a “munch”?
A munch is a public meeting of BDSM folk. (It’s a “munch” because they often happen in restaurants, although the ones I go to are in coffeeshops or mall food courts.) There’s not supposed to be any play or anything dirty at a munch; it’s just a social meetup. It’s a low-pressure way for new people to get to know the scene and it’s a way for established people to catch up with their kinky friends.
Ideally. Unfortunately, to some people a munch is a meat market and hunting ground. We’re working on that.
This is why I can’t stand these self proclaimed NiceGuys™…they can never fathom that it’s their own shitty personalities/lack of social skills/entitled attitude that is driving women away. No it’s never possible that there is something wrong with them, it’s always women who are the evil, snotty, bitches. What self-respecting woman wants anything to do with a dude that demands sex from guests attending his birthday party? what self-respecting woman wants anything to do with men who don’t even think they are human beings worthy of respect or even rights?
MRAs/PUAs and all these other manosphere pricks love to claim that women have no personal responsibility and blame everything on patriarchy…maybe they should take a look at themselves and how they blame all their problems on “modern western women” and feminism.
Holly, that sucks that you cannot even have the serial groper disinvited. It really sucks that people are so willing to give horrible boundary invaders so much leeway.
Wait, Holly, are you telling me there is more than one MRAL-like person in the world? This news is not pleasant…
Maybe it was MRAL. He does live in the Boston area.
Yeah, Eurosabra is a different person (he’s got his own entry on the troll list and I remember him from way back), and he sounds different; MRAL doesn’t talk about game or give bizarrely specific statistics. But it’s amusing that they’re both obsessed with height.
MRAL has expressed a dislike of kink, as well as some really absurd misapprehensions of how it actually works. I doubt it was him.
On a related note, I hope MRAL manages to stay away long enough that we all stop seeing shades of him everywhere. It would be great if, when a new troll comes along, we could engage that troll’s inane arguments without worrying that we’re feeding an abusive asshole the negative attention he wants.
Chocolate guy is tall-ish and too old to be MRAL. Groper guy is short, but also too old.
Sadly, there is far more than one creep in Boston.
I’m pretty sure the sentence with “misapprehensions” in it is totally ungrammatical, but I hope you guys can gather what I meant since I can’t think of a better way to express it XD.
Brain, you are so useless today…
If a beta needs to approach 500 women to have sex with one and a beta has 3-6 partners over his lifetime (both his own numbers), that’s still only about 100 approaches per year over 20 years of dating. Even an omega (1000 approaches) would only need about 200 approaches.
So what’s Eurosabra doing wrong, that he needs five times that many?
I’ve “approached” probably 1000 people, in the sense of “Hi, I’m Holly!”, but I don’t bitterly chalk them all up as failed fucks. I was just trying to meet people.
“So what’s Eurosabra doing wrong, that he needs five times that many?”
A PUA has their methods and stats wrong? THAT CANNOT BE!
Yeah, I know that the human mind is (generally) bad at dealing with numbers and shit, but that is just…wow.
There’s a troll list? Is it in the forum?
@Pecunium: How do men NOT treat women like people? And if men aren’t treating women like people…then what are those men treating women as? Kites? Baboons? Tables? Inquiring minds want to know. Last I checked, women seem to have their own thoughts, bodies and opinions.