Sometimes it’s worth reminding ourselves that despite all the noise they make online, the Men’s Rights movement has basically no presence in the real world. The picture above is an actual photo of a men’s rights symposium at Montana State University. Here’s how the local NBC affiliate described what went down – or, more accurately, what didn’t go down:
The MSU chapter of the National Coalition for Men organized a symposium to raise awareness of problems in men’s lives.
The group geared the event towards fraternity students at the college and invited speakers to talk about things like men’s rights when it comes to sexual misconduct investigations on-campus.
No one showed up to the event but organizers say the lack of attendance is not due to a lack of interest.
You just keep telling yourself that.
If you say anything negative about women you’ll lose your job which most men can’t afford, even mooks have to eat.
Which is why Larry Summers didn’t get a job after his being fired from Harvard. He’s not an advisor to the President, and not being considered for the head of the IMF.
Nope, he criticised women, and so he’s been living in a hovel under the Brooklyn Bridge ever since.
Or, yanno, not.
And billions? More than one billion? One-third of the world’s population killed since Hillary Clinton took over the UN (what happened to Ban Ki Moon)?
Israel, where men can refuse to allow a divorce to happen (in the case of religious marriages).
So the issue of custody is a bit more complicated than you posit.
Marc: The unmarried father in Germany has no responsibilities to the kid, ergo he has no rights to access. If he establishes legal paternity, he gets access, along with the legal responsibilities.
It’s a perfectly reasonable system.
RADAR’s rhetoric may seem overblown, but lately the group and its many partners have been racking up very real accomplishments. In 2008, the organization claimed to have blocked passage of four federal domestic-violence bills, among them an expansion of the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) to international scope and a grant to support lawyers in pro bono domestic-violence work. Members of this coalition have gotten themselves onto drafting committees for VAWA’s 2011 reauthorization. Local groups in West Virginia and California have also had important successes, criminalizing false claims of domestic violence in custody cases, and winning rulings that women-only shelters are discriminatory.
– “Men’s Rights” Groups Have Become Frighteningly Effective
Moving on, it is unfortunate some of you continue to believe the victims of the Duke Lacrosse scandal are rapists. I recommend Until Proven Innocent, a top rated book which is systematic and very thorough. It details some of the malicious lies that have thrown off the feeble-minded, such as the doctored investigations carried out by the lacrosse staff. I know, reading a book can be tedious. Hence, I have provided a concise link for your perusal.
I look forward to your constructive and insightful discussion.
*hospital staff
A three year old post on a blog, referencing a 2011 reauthorization that has already happened (or at least is overshadowed by the 2012 one), a random book about a 5-year old event, and… a wikipedia article?
All on a dead thread… Brilliant.
I love how unironically FF uses “victims” to refer to people accused of crimes. It’s like he’s forgotten that it could have any other meaning.
How’s Pregno Punchit going, FF?
Thank you for your contribution. I know you tried your hardest, and that’s all that counts. It’s okay if your damage makes you lash out at me, unlike some people I can take that kind of abuse. I don’t blame you.
Back to the topic, the problem is that there was never a formal apology issued by the involved parties. So long as there is no admission of wrongdoing, it will remain relevant.
Wait, so who’s damaged now? Damn FF’s lack of an address…
@FF:
5 year old case. On a dead thread. Still irrelevant. 🙂 Though you could do to actually read through that second link of yours… and perhaps by miracle a small section of your brain will see the frustration behind the results of the case, where a great victory for white men everywhere is proof positive that black women are lying whores.
Yeah… And my guess is you’ll say its just feminist propaganda twisting a lost case to suit an agenda. 😐
Same thing with the Strauss-Kahn case as well actually… White man accused by a woman of color, big media attention, case falls through because the accuser’s credibility was impuned…
You don’t notice Feminists hooting and hollering over every successful rape charge as proof that all men are rapists…
Bad at English person here. What on earth is a systematic book?
@Kyrie:
I guess its a supposed to be a book thats detailed-oriented or summat…
summary listed on the amazon page, first paragraph:
“In this American tragedy, Stuart Taylor, Jr., and KC Johnson argue, law enforcement, a campaigning prosecutor, biased journalists, and left-leaning academics repeatedly refused to pursue the truth while scapegoats were made of these young men, recklessly tarnishing their lives.”
Hoo boy… I see what Samhita was so frustrated with.
Also interesting, the three lacrosse players issued the following demands of the courts in Durham, mainly involving the appointment of a monitor through which all department activities would be approved. This includes the power to:
– Hire and fire all members, including Chief of Police, of the Police Department
– Veto any public communications related to an investigation
– “establish, review and enforce all policies applicable to the management of the Durham Police Department”
So, a single person would essentially run the entire department, having the final say in everything it does… It says the person should be independent, but really… who are the types of people that would be elected to such a position? Fucking awful idea, even if it would only last for 10 years…
You know what? Fuck the Duke Lacrosse Case. It happened five years ago, it was complicated enough then to have everyone spouting nonsense with no real idea of what was going on, and it’s just depressing to read up on it… -_-
I’m still inclined to side with Crystal, despite knowing very little about the details of the case, simply because rape is not something you just lie about. I’ve heard enough stories of rape victims to gather that. But it doesn’t really matter, because my opinion doesn’t affect anything that has already happened, and I don’t need to defend anybody who may share my opinion.
The whole thing is just depressing to read about, how the entire country took sides without letting the thing play out, how Nifong handled things so terribly, and how the fact that the case fell through is some sort of victory in favor of all possible rapists now.
Also the fact that people are still gloating over Crystal’s character assassination even now as she’s accused of murder, smugly asking “Where are Crystal Mangum’s liberal supporters now?”, as if you have to either defend someone for everything they do or completely denounce them. Reminds me of how MRAs ask feminists to defend everything that Dworkin and Marcotte and others say and do because we have to, because we must surely worship them rather than appreciate their ideas. -_-
Lotta things to rant about, but probably better to sleep instead.
Okay, most of what you wrote, Kirby, was a political sermon. You didn’t really make any citations, you just wrote about how you feel this and that and you don’t need to look into false rape accusations because nobody lies about rape or something.
I’m still inclined to side with Crystal, despite knowing very little about the details of the case, simply because rape is not something you just lie about.
Yeah. It’s a shame you were too prudish to read the Wikipedia article, it might have taught you something.
@FactFinder:
Just for clarification, I not only read the wiki article, but read opinion blogs, news articles, wikis on other aspects of the case, and excerpts from a book on Crystal’s point of view. I even linked to one of the opinion pieces I read. I say that I know very little about the case because, despite all that research, the real world is always much more complicated and messy than the simple summaries will give you.
“You didn’t really make any citations, you just wrote about how you feel this and that”
Well.. yeah. I was giving my opinion on the matter. So… I did what I planned to do. Woo. It is fun that you thought I was responding to you or something… 😉
Well.. yeah. I was giving my opinion on the matter. So… I did what I planned to do. Woo. It is fun that you thought I was responding to you or something…
Oh, it was fun. Your tantrum was very revealing. Thank you, and I hope you expose yourself again in the future.
… tantrum?
Ok, yeah… I’m confused now. FF, what exactly do you think I said? Paraphrase is good, direct quoting is cheating. 😛
Kirby: FF (the proud creator of Preggo Punchtit) is trying to score points with tangential insults. I have to give him credit for spotting the form (if being a bit unclear on the substance) of the sort of thing which might make a serious person actually feel a tad offended. So two points for style, but a whiff for execution.
After all, he’s claiming the the topic on a post tallking about the failure of MRAs to getr jocks to come learn how to get away with rape was really about how no one apologised to those poor jocks from Duke, who might have gotten away with rape.
And it’s not as if FF hasn’t revealed some serious problems with women. His idea of what makes for a good role for women in a video game being exhibit number one.
Ideologue Review, good for you for linking to an article by Kathryn Joyce. I’m one of her fans, too. I hoped you also read these quotes from her article.
and
It’s no wonder the MRM is known as the Abuser’s Lobby.
As far as the Duke Lacrosse case, why do you care if some people think the players were guilty? People are allowed to hold whatever opinions they want about a court case. I still think OJ Simpson was guilty even though he was acquitted in court. Just because the jurors believed he was innocent, doesn’t make it a law that I have to agree with their verdict.
Heck, I think Lizzie Borden did it (and I think that OJ didn’t, or that if he did there was an accomplice).
And, I think the Duke Boys did something (the same way I am sure the Foothill College baseball team had players who engaged in rape, both forcible and statutory; even though no charges were filed).
A bundle of contradictions I am.
Minor point of order:
I don’t think the jurors thought OJ was innocent. They most likely had reasonable doubt after the removal of critical evidence due to police mishandling. Yeah, he did it, but a “Not Guilty” verdict was the only correct response to blatant mishandling of evidence.
We aren’t a jury. The general public when not specifically serving as a criminal juror or court officers are perfectly entitled to form opinions on less than a beyond a reasonable doubt. They are even expected to make judgements on less than a beyond a reasonable doubt standard when serving as civil jurors and officers. The vast majority of people do not expect everything they personally believe to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, quite the contrary in fact. The standard of proof for criminal trials is supposed to be atypically high because of the harshness of the consequences, they don’t apply to life in general.
Also, if you presume everyone has to have a conviction before believing a person is guilty, you also run into a serious catch 22 where no one can ever be prosecuted, because no police officers or prosecutors are ever permitted to believe in their guilt.
Marc,
Oh, shut up. The Tender Years Clause has been cancelled just now.
And you also forgot to mention that the only place Jewish Israeli men and women can get divorced is in a Rabbinical court, presided over only by men, and the most patriarchal and traditional of men, where the man automatically has more power just because he’s a man.
How about, if you’re talking about Israel, you mention the thousands and thousands of “agunot” – women whose husbands won’t give them a divorce (in Jewish law, the man has to give the divorce to the woman willingly), who are strung along for years and decades because their husbands want to torment them, unable to start a new relationship because that would make them adulterers in the eyes of the Rabbinical court and mean they’ll be kicked out with nothing, while the men go on to have wonderful relationships (because men are allowed) and even get married sometimes to a SECOND WIFE by getting a special dispensation from 100 (or 1000, don’t remember the number) rabbis?
As for retirement age – it wasn’t cut-and-dried: men HAD to retire at 64 (I think), while women COULD retire at 60 and HAD to retire at 64 (not sure about the exact ages, but it was something along those lines). Also, Israel actually inherited that from Great Britain (remember, we used to have a British mandate here), and that law has also changed, bringing retirement ages closer together, with an eye towards equalizing them.
Hmmph. Stop bringing irrelevant examples without knowing the context and the latest updates. It makes you look silly.
[NOTE FROM DF: TRIGGER WARNING FOR THIS COMMENT: GRAPHIC VIOLENCE, TRANSPHOBIA]
David,
Let me ask you this, if the mens rights movement is so insignificant, then why do you spend so much time posting about it. I follow many MRA blogs, and you have more posts than all of them combined. It is clear to me that you have no job, otherwise there is no way you could continuously blog like you do and have time to scour all the MRA posts every single day. My guess about you is that either:
a) You are a typical run of the mill mangina, with better than average writing ability, who is getting paid by the feminist left to spread more male shaming tactics.
or
b) You hate men, and you hate yourself for being a man. Whats the matter, did your mommy make you wear a dress growing up because she really wanted a little girl, and you never quite got over it. Well, since you hate yourself and men so much, why don’t you take care of the problem.. Yes, I know the surgery is expensive and you cannot afford it since you dont have a job, but there is an easy solution.. Why dont you just go to your kitchen, get a sharp knife, and cut off your balls and while you are at it, cut a nice big bloddy slit in their place, problem solved.. I am sure that you could even get an appearance on “The Talk”. They will gladly compensate you for any and all ER fees incurred. You would be a national feminist hero.. A man who hated men and himself so much that he cut off his own penis and did not even need a wife to do it for him, I can see the cheering of the feminists now.
So, can’t you just consider that there is just an inkling of truth that the MRA statements might be umm true, considering that many of those speaking out have advanced degrees, hold jobs that pay them more money in one year than you will make in your entire life, and that they are all basically commenting on the same observations over and over again. Hmm, just food for though. Your whole blog just proves to me that the feminists are shaking in their boots as more and more men become awakened to the truth of feminism.
Aww, he thinks you write well! Of course, he’s a hateful transphobic asshole, so I suppose that doesn’t mean much. But hey, he knows what he’s talking about! He has advanced degrees!