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Muck Ryking: Petition to remove Alexander Ryking as a Tumblr politics editor

Evidently Ryking wasn't in debate club in high school.

So Alexander Ryking is a Tumblr blogger and one of Tumblr’s community “editors” for politics. He thinks of himself as a liberal.

He is also a raging misogynist who regularly calls women “cunts” and tells feminists to “kill yourselves you feminazi twats.”

In recent days he’s turned his douchebag-o-meter up to 11. As a result, there’s now a petition up on Change.org to have him removed as a politics editor on Tumblr. It’s already gotten more than 3000 signatures, with several hundred new signatures added in the time it’s taken me to write this post.

Here’s unknowable woman, a frequent target of his cyber-wrath, with more details on his recent meltdown. (Read the post on her Tumblr blog for links to the evidence of his douchebaggery.)

Alexander Ryking, who has a history of attempting to silence women bloggers (he told Jess of STFUConservatives and the other “feminazis” to “go kill themselves” several months ago, and has also been rude to women of color but I haven’t been on Tumblr long enough to have personally witnessed that), defended The Amazing’s Atheist’s violent rape threats on Reddit by tagging his posts with “I support TAA.”

I and many, many other Tumblr users were disgusted by this, so we decided to tag our criticisms of Ryking that night with “Ryking’s banana republic”—a reference to his co-opting of [social justice] concepts, NOT a homophobic dig, and the person who coined it was a queer man anyway. Someone also wrote a few jokingly romantic lines about Ryking’s blind defense of TAA and new atheism, and Ryking interpreted this as homophobic and misandric…it wasn’t, but because I reblogged it, Ryking insists that I am now a homophobe, which is hilarious given my own sexual identity but whatever.

We also responded to some of his posts with pictures of extreme close-ups of our eyes.

Seriously. That is what this guy is calling “abuse.”

We did NOT threaten him, make personal attacks against his sexuality, tell him to go kill himself, send him rude messages, or commit any other acts that could reasonably be interpreted as the “cyberbullying” Ryking claims it is. I did temporarily change my URL to rykingsbananarepublic and I make no apologies for that. Why should I? Why shouldn’t a group of feminists and their allies be allowed to respond creatively to misogyny? The only actual cyberbullying that has taken place was TAA’s initial rape threats on Reddit; I wouldn’t even go so far as to claim Ryking’s tweets to me and other Twitter users are cyberbullying, though I leave it up to the other people who were insulted by him to label their experiences as bullying or not.

Anyway, a few nights later, I tweeted something in defense of Whitney Houston’s legacy, and suddenly there was Ryking going ballistic. He found me on Twitter, called me a cunt right off the bat, and insisted that I claimed Whitney Houston’s death was “more important than the death of 5,000 Syrians” (I didn’t! Here is what I actually said!). I had never exchanged tweets with this man before, and was confused about his sudden interest in my thoughts about Whitney Houston and Syria. Naturally, I responded, told him how wrong he was, and the next day I screencapped some of the things he said and posted them … I never expected that post to get the amount of notes it did, but I think that just goes to show how widespread the dislike for him is.

Ryking, for his part, has responded to the widespread criticism by striking the pose of a victim, and pretending that it is somehow all related to race. Apparently, the evil feminazis are impugning his white manhood, though he’s not white.

So-called feminists have subjected me to white-bashing comments (even though I’m Hispanic) and sexist attacks impugning my manhood (slash-fiction scenes featuring me and heterosexual men; being called faggot; being told to man-up; insults about my body;) by people who don’t realize I’m gay. After nearly two decades online, I learned early on that when you’re attacked, you defend yourself by attacking right back and just as viciously, if not more so. And that’s what exactly what I’ve done. …

What’s really at issue here is not my rude behavior but that you and others like you want to punish any man who refuses to conform to your rancid, misandrist orthodoxy by discounting everything he says and using his gender and race as the excuse for doing so. …

You don’t want me stripped of my editorial privilege based on my behavior but because I reject your sick, bigoted, misandrist (per)version of feminism.

Yep, apparently the dude who loves to call women “cunts” is the final arbiter of what is and what isn’t “true feminism.” Who knew?

I signed the petition. How about you?

 

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darksidecat
9 years ago

He’s a nasty misogynist. Even if someone is homophobic towards you, it does not justify being a hateful misogynist.

someone also wrote a few jokingly romantic lines about Ryking’s blind defense of TAA and new atheism

I can see how something like that could easily slip into homophobia territory, esp. if the person saying it was a hetero.

However, again, that’s no fucking excuse for bigotry and gendered slurs against women. Also, way to hit the total self unawareness by complaining people are dismissing you based on gender when your entire “argument” against your opponents was calling them gendered slurs and threatening gendered violence.

Rutee Katreya
9 years ago

He’s also talking about misandry as if that’s a thing, which is a surefire sign you are dealing with a fucking ignoramus and a social justice parody.

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Hey, another dude who practices the NWO Theory of Conflict Resolution, AKA Escalation.

They should be nicer, they need all the allies they can get at this point.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

With his charming temperament, is anyone surprised that he loves TAA?

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Not a bit, Cassandra.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

I second dsc’s comment. The whole thing looks messy, with a few bits of problematic things happening on one side and a whole shit-load of extremely problematic stuff on the other. No feminist should be using gendered insults as a common “debate” tactic, let alone an editor of a public space.

R.E. misandry… The tweet in question was “Wow, denying misandry. That’s up there with right-wingers denying climate change. It exists whether you admit it or not.”

Sure, misandry exists as a concept, but in all honesty I haven’t seen any of it (as a male) coming from real people. Plenty of dudes online insist that misandry is everywhere and so forth, but I honestly haven’t seen any prevalent misandry in my own life or online*. It’s always something the opposition insists exists everywhere, never something I’ve personally faced or seen. The most misandry I’ve seen is from the rhetoric that men are natural-born rapists/pedophiles (usually concluding that women should take extra precautions rather than that men should stop raping). And that isn’t coming from feminists.

I welcome any of our trolls to try to explain exactly where and when they see misandry out in the world, because I’m quickly approaching the conclusion that it’s a figment of the MRM’s imagination, invented out of whole-cloth and reinforced by the echo chamber and reinterpretations of real events under a fictitious model.

* I say prevalent because of course there are extremists out there. It’s not exactly something inundating our culture if its confined to a couple blogs on the internet.

Tak the Hideous New Girl
Tak the Hideous New Girl
9 years ago

The second anyone uses the term “feminazi” seriously I immediately know that anything they say is worthless.

Rutee Katreya
9 years ago

I welcome any of our trolls to try to explain exactly where and when they see misandry out in the world, because I’m quickly approaching the conclusion that it’s a figment of the MRM’s imagination, invented out of whole-cloth and reinforced by the echo chamber and reinterpretations of real events under a fictitious model.

This is the correct answer. The closest they come to approaching it is the draft, which isn’t a threat to any westerner. Outside the west, it’s really only a men’s problem in some dictatorships. African Warlords, for instance, will coerce *anyone* useful into their military, not just men…

Dracula
Dracula
9 years ago

After nearly two decades online, I learned early on that when you’re attacked, you defend yourself by attacking right back and just as viciously, if not more so.

That’s kind of a terrible life lesson. “An eye for an eye.” is not usually an effective way to communicate.

Raven (@unknowablewoman)

Last night someone threatened another feminist blogger w/ rape, and Ryking defended the person, saying it was justified because of our misandrist assault on him.

Oh, and let’s not forget his efforts to get me “fired” from my job as a clinic escort!

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

The closest I ever came to witnessing misandry personally was probably in my junior high history class. The teacher was a woman in her 50s or 60s that constantly made jokes about how much better the girls were than the guys, and inserted a lot of her politics into the history lesson.

Did it affect me outside of the class? No.
Did it affect me inside of the class? Honestly, no. It was all a bit of a joke.

At that age, I didn’t have any reference for gender politics, so my response was more “jeeze, she’s a weird lady” rather than “dammit, why can’t I get through one class without being belittled?” (insert appropriate discussion of privilege here) So when I see posts on various blogs bemoaning all the rampant misandry in the world, I can’t help but wonder where it all is?

Because the examples they give mainly look like rich people complaining that they pay such a higher tax rate than poor people. Complaining they don’t get some advantage that was given to a disadvantaged group to help close a gap between the groups.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

Honestly it’s the gender roles associated with men and women that are the true source of any misandry out there. Men are expected to be big, strong, emotionless bastards who protect the fragile, doll-like women. Wanna know why drafts exist for men? Because women are considered too weak for military service. Wanna complain about the draft? Don’t do it while complaining that women are being hired for jobs over men that they aren’t able to handle (like, oh say… firefighter?)

Some people rail against feminism because it “feminizes men.” Well, that’s what you get when you set up gender roles to be opposites; breaking them down means taking on roles that were previously only for the other gender. It “masculinizes women” in the same way, which is the other objection.

THE SYSTEM YOU ARE DEFENDING CREATES THE PROBLEMS YOU ARE FIGHTING!

/rant, and back to smiling Kirby. (V^_^)

Pecunium
9 years ago

After nearly two decades online, I learned early on that when you’re attacked, you defend yourself by attacking right back and just as viciously, if not more so.

Ah… the NWO school of life. I find that being reasonable, with a dose of snark, and the quoting back of the opponent’s words is best.

I also try to match the flavor of my argument to the things they have said. One can be effective, and even “vicious” without being nasty. The needling comment that gets under their skin, so they reveal the actual nature of themselves is far better at keeping people from deciding one is the asshole, as well as winning allies, then resorting to the sorts of bullyragging used by third-rate high school coaches.

Rutee Katreya
9 years ago

Kirby: There is nearly no walk of life where men are not systematically advantaged as a class; that’s why Misandry is basically a myth. The only time I’ve *ever* seen the term used by a scientist trying to examine things, it was because they were examining how a different axis of kyriarchy affected men specifically; it didn’t make sense to lump the oppressions together, with how different they were.

The most common examples aren’t really problems for them, and they’re the only people they care about. Less glibly, there’s prison sentences (MRAs hate black and brown people, but even if we pretended for two seconds they give a shit about anyone else, this is more likely due to priors, mitigating circumstances, less violent crimes…), the Draft (Nobody’s drafting just dudes until nukes are *gone*; spoiler alert, most places that maintain an actual draft where draftees are in danger also draft women), predominating dangerous jobs (which pay substantially better than similar-status and education jobs), and losing out on their kids in family court (Which studies show isn’t the case; dudes win more than they lose in custody cases, when you factor out all the people who don’t want custody)… the list goes on. Dudes are basically in the same place white people are. A few people actually dislike them, a lot more grumble about their privilege (Although not usually with those words), but they have no systematic disadvantages.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

@Rutee:

On the draft, like I said before; the same people complaining about the draft are also complaining about how women shouldn’t be allowed on the battlefield because they are inherently weaker and not as capable as men. Same thing with dangerous jobs, most likely.

Problem is, the MRM is a reactionary movement to feminism, ultimately because the women have something the men don’t. It’s like white pride in response to black pride… Problem is they didn’t form the movement to combat any specific issue, so to a large degree they have to make up issues. -_- The issues that aren’t flat-out myths are a result of society’s gender roles; the very ones that they wish to enforce (because they don’t have a progressive mindset driving the movement).

magdelyns
9 years ago

All these misandry deniers…so blind to their own privilege.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

Care to enlighten a misandry denier, magdelyns?

jumbofish
9 years ago

Aye, care to enlighten me as well?

magdelyns
9 years ago

It wouldn’t help you poor souls. You’re just to privileged to see you’re own oppression. No more of your womansplaining. No more of your backlash against men’s rights. It’s really time you guys started listening, instead of trying to deny your oppressive ways.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

Are we 100% sure magdelyns isn’t an old school ED-style troll? Because that last comment was just too funny to be genuine.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

@magdelyns:

“No more of your womansplaining.”

Sorry, man here. I’m mansplaining, thank you very much.

” It’s really time you guys started listening, instead of trying to deny your oppressive ways.”

I said ‘Care to enlighten a misandry denier, magdelyns?’ How read that I don’t want to listen and am denying… oppressive… wait, what oppressive ways?

Still waiting for some enlightenment, instead of hand-wavey “you wouldn’t believe me anyway” nonsense.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

*how do you read that

@CassandraSays:

Oh, she be trolling alright. Can’t hurt to ask though… maybe she does have some all-powerful insight into misandry that I and most people I know and respect have missed all our lives.

Sharculese
9 years ago

shit madgelyn. i forgot how totally cool and above it all you were. i guess we should just take your smug cliches as fact since your clearly far too important to articulate anything.

magdelyns
9 years ago

It’s not my job to educate you about not being a misandrist or equality.

jumbofish
9 years ago

It wouldn’t help you poor souls. You’re just to privileged to see you’re own oppression. No more of your womansplaining. No more of your backlash against men’s rights. It’s really time you guys started listening, instead of trying to deny your oppressive ways.

But… but… I’m a guy! Aren’t I not privileged according to you?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

@ Kirby

Trolling in a really boring way, too. This is reminding me of MRAL on a particularly off day, like maybe with a hangover.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

Alrighty then, have a nice night mags.

*sits patiently for evidences of misandry*

jumbofish
9 years ago

It’s not my job to educate you about not being a misandrist or equality.

I C what you are doing thar

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

@CassandraSays:

The “You are wrong, but I won’t tell you why” argument is a very easy one to dismiss. 🙂 I’m nearly certain she’s going through the shtick because she thinks that feminists routinely dismiss any objections at all to feminism by accusing the person of privilege, and therefore she thinks she’s being clever.

Not realizing, of course, that’s its only after a long trying period of trying to explain exactly why you as a man don’t get to explain what life is like for women that the concept of privilege is pulled out.

Ah well.

jumbofish
9 years ago

If anything its kinda like she is mocking mras as well. I mean she doesn’t appear take it seriously enough, rather she is just using this time to mock feminists instead of talking about men’s rights. Which isn’t really surprising considering mras are pretty much just anti feminists and could care less about the real issues men face.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

You have to admit though, it is quite amusing when stupid people think they’re clever.

Sharculese
9 years ago

:It’s not my job to educate you about not being a misandrist or equality.

posting in blog comments is very few peoples job, kid.

the question is, do you want to communicate something, or do you just want to post the minimum you have to to get attention?

Nathan
Nathan
9 years ago

The perception that men aren’t to be trusted around children, or are poor parents- that’s just one example of hatred and/or contempt of men. It- and most other institutionalized misandry- is a very specific and contained hatred and/or contempt, and misogyny is in general more prevalent. But it exists, and it’s clear to anyone who is really willing to look. Refusing to recognize it, or writing long posts about how it’s “really” misogyny just makes you look like a hypocrite. Frankly, I do think that gender is more give-and-take than other forms of “common” oppression- racism, homophobia, transphobia- because women are and have been half of every single society in history. Whereas gays, ethnic minorities, religious minorities etc. often had no place whatsoever, there always had to be a place for women. It might not have been as qualitatively “good” or “comprehensive” as men’s, but it was there. And likewise, most misandry (like most misogyny) at a very basic level stems from the perception that men aren’t capable when it comes to things that aren’t in “their sphere”.

You- that is, various feminist bloggers- might ask themselves why exactly they are so hell-bent on willfully ignoring contempt for men in society. Personally, I think it’s because many (most) feminists are middle-class white women with epic privilege, and they basically want to cling to the only major “oppression” they can claim- because if they have to concede the more nuanced reality, well, they’re really no better than white men. Sady Doyle in particular- if I may psychoanalyze for a second- has got this mentality. I never hear this line from gay activists or whatever, because they have more important shit to do than argue incessantly about semantics.

Because the fact is that a lot of feminists pay lip service to “other forms of oppression”- again, racism, homophobia, transphobia- but then spend 95% percent of their time bemoaning “their” oppression. Now understand- that’s fine. It’s their prerogative how they spend their time. But I can’t help but think that this lip service is almost sickeningly theoretical. I get the impression that most white feminist bloggers don’t really know that many black people. That many gay people. That many transgendered people. So this “checking privilege” really is an almost abstract notion notion for them; it’s only occasionally that they need to “check their privilege” (ie, walk on eggshells and constantly defer). But then they self-righteously demand that men treat them likewise; problem is, women are everywhere. Women are half of my acquaintances. I treat people well, and expect others to treat me well. That’s the extent of my “feminism”.

Get over yourselves.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

@jumbofish:

Funny enough, I don’t think she’s mocking MRAs as much as emulating them. I saw a comment on ShitRedditSays that basically said “in the MRM, the syntax of an argument is much more important than the content.” Which is kinda true. Using the same words as feminist (with some playful substitutions) doesn’t make your argument have the same validity… the content and context actually does matter.

Sharculese
9 years ago

@cassandra

You have to admit though, it is quite amusing when stupid people think they’re clever.

i have to disagree. cleverness is overrated, and when the dull try to emulate it, it just turns out tedious.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

I meant that in a rather malicious way. Effective parody takes much more intelligence than mags has, but it is funny watching her think she’s saying something clever and failing if you’re a mean person, which I am.

jumbofish
9 years ago

I didn’t mean that she was mocking it on purpose kirby XD

I guess I should have said she is making it sound more mock worthy.

Quackers
Quackers
9 years ago

On the draft, like I said before; the same people complaining about the draft are also complaining about how women shouldn’t be allowed on the battlefield because they are inherently weaker and not as capable as men. Same thing with dangerous jobs, most likely.

This…x10000

This is how you know they aren’t serious about fixing this shit. Like I mentioned yesterday, AVfM had a recent article that basically said women being in the military will fuck it up. In another article a few monthes ago, the writer was basically laughing at a female firefighter who was (according to her anyway) struggling with the hose and about to cry. That’s a real great attitude to have towards women who are trying to step up and aquire these dangerous jobs. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t with the MRM as usual.

As for misandry, I’ll concede that there have been some articles on news sites that have a misandrous tone. It is uncomfortable to read. But you know what else is uncomfortable to read? thousands of internet comments vilifying and degrading women. Calling them stupid, overly-emotional, selfish, bitches, golddiggers, hypergamous sluts, cunts, inferior to men’s superior “logic”, immoral, incapable of love and everything else etc. Most of these comments come from MRAs who then turn around and complain about misandry. How does this make sense? it doesn’t. Misogynist comments and beliefs like those are systematic too…they’ve existed forever and more importantly have been used to justify previous female oppression. Men were never denied anything because of their sex. They were never denied the vote, education, property ownership, a chance at government, STEM fields, etc because of their sex. If men were oppressed it usually had to do with race or class instead. And women faced those oppressions too.

Oh and off topic…but I was browsing Craigslist personals (there’s always someone that seems interesting to talk to on there but I wouldn’t take the chance cuz you know…it’s Craigslist o.O) anyway…there are always posts on there of men offering to be sugar daddies and pay women’s bills/schooling in exchange for sex or companionship. So why don’t MRAs ever go after those enablers? why are women always to blame? and why is it always assumed that all women will take these men up on their offers? what BS. And I’m supposed to care about misandry? maybe if I didn’t have to hear everyday what a worthless piece of shit I am I’d care more about MRA grievances.

Sharculese
9 years ago

question: am i drunk as fuck and about to switch over to posting random songs from youtube

answer: fuuuuuuuuuuccccckkkkkk yusssssss!!!!!!!

Sharculese
9 years ago

jumbofish
9 years ago

go go go!! XD

Nathan
Nathan
9 years ago

And Quackers, again, I totally agree that misogyny is more prevalent than misandry. It sucks, and I do not think that feminism is completely antiquated. But come on- the MRAs are a fringe group. They’re like the “white pride” people, except even more hilarious. You have to choose to seek them out, is what I’m saying. And I get that- they’re funny as hell- but I don’t think you can generalize about society’s views on women from A Voice for Men or r/mensrights.

Quackers
Quackers
9 years ago

Pretty Girls Make Graves sounds like an MRA slogan lol o.O

This also reminds me, I would really like to get some imput from men who do actually work dangerous jobs, not just sitting around being a keyboard warrior all day. That’s how Betty Friedan found out about how miserable and unfulfilled housewives were for The Feminine Mystique.

I’d really be interested in hearing how they felt about the dangers. Do they feel oppressed by it? do they feel fear on the job? how would they suggest improving safety standards? why did they choose that line of work?

Don’t think I could just waltz up to some, say, construction workers and asks them though :/ Once in the summer there were construction workers on our street and I really wanted to give them some beer or something to cool off, but they might have thought I was flirting…

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

@ Quackers

Because the only issue most MRAs have with the sugar daddy concept is that they aren’t rich enough for it to be an option for them.

Moewicus
Moewicus
9 years ago

As a person speaking to men who don’t think it exists, I’d say it IS your job, mags. One of these days I might go through the mental pretzel of not seeing my oppression for my privilege without some mystical MRA guru, but how will I ever learn unless someone shows me?

Yawn.

cloudiah
cloudiah
9 years ago

Oh hell, I don’t know how to embed a video. I suck at internet.

Sharculese
9 years ago

anecdote!

when i was in undergrad, i worked with a masters student who was married to a guy ill call ‘sean’. ‘sean’ and his wife were from houston and sean always knew what was going on in the texas music scene. notably, he saw at the drive-in in their first few performances, when they were apparently a fake mod band in skinny black suits with mop-top haircuts. as he tells it, they got a slot opening for christie front drive and went home and started writing emo songs.

anyway, on the heels of in/casino/out, the were starting to get press and feeling more like rock stars. they had a set opening for i cant remember who, which my friend ‘sean’ was at, because at this point he was real close with the band and showed up to all their shows.

cedric bixler-zavala had forgotten his mics, so he borrowed some from the band they were opening for (or maybe the band was opening for them, i can’t remember; it’s unimportant). the important part was, he got really keyed up and ended up smashing the borrowed mics. when he refused to pay for them, my buddy ‘sean’ stepped up in his face and said if he wasn’t gonna pay for the mics he busted, ‘sean’ didn’t understand why he had to pay for the show. and cedric flipped the fuck out, and from then on, any time he saw ‘sean’, made sure he knew that he wasn’t forgiven.

the moral of the story is, if you weren’t sure whether or not cedric bixler-zavala is a gigantic cock, he is a gigantic cock.

Sharculese
9 years ago

@cloudiah

no embed

just paste in a youtube link and it embeds automatically

cloudiah
cloudiah
9 years ago

Thanks, Sharculese!

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