How seriously does Paul Elam, head cheese of A Voice for Men, take the issue of rape? So seriously that he has proudly declared that
Should I be called to sit on a jury for a rape trial, I vow publicly to vote not guilty, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that the charges are true.
It’s in bold in the original, too. Evidently, the best way to fight against false accusations is to let the guilty free.
Recently, Elam has started a whole campaign, complete with its own little acronym and everything, to encourage others to follow his lead. In one recent post, he even seems to be suggesting (in a wink-wink-nod-nod sort of way) that his followers should lie about their beliefs in order to get on juries, just so they can Fuck Their Shit Up and, as he put it in a one word comment advertising the post on Reddit, “nullify.”
Now, in his original post on rape, it seemed to be pretty clear that his ire was aroused specifically by the specter of evil women lying about being raped by men. As he put it, justifying his decision to acquit the guilty,
Women lie about being raped, judicial politicians make careers off of putting away sexual offenders, and a brainwashed public cheers it all on. That so many of the men caught up in this are innocent doesn’t stop the grinding wheels of all this injustice for even a moment.
But before we conclude that Elam’s stance on rape is simply misogynist, I point you to a new post that suggests that he takes the rape of men just as (not) seriously as he takes the rape of women – to the point that he thinks it’s hilarious to make jokes about raping men. Announcing a radio show devoted to further discussion of his surreal atheist post from earlier this week, he says this about one famously feminist atheist activist who is also a dude:
Hopefully, before we are done [with the radio show], MRA’s of differing views will find more common ground, and PZ Myers will be limping to the drug store for some KY Jelly.
I guess on AVfM, making a rape joke about about a man is just peachy, so long as the man in question is someone you don’t like.
Stay classy, Paul!
(Thanks to Xanthe for alerting me to Elam’s most recent post.)
Re: the neckbeard thing. Teenagers often have patchy facial hair, as we all know, and often this starts from around the neck up with the moustache, sideburns, and soul patch area filling in last. If this is what happens to you, apparently you are supposed to shave? I would personally, and I don’t think it’s a good look, but honestly, do what you want with whichever hairs you grow.
Anyway, as far as I can tell the whole thing plays into the hegemonic-masculinity idea that REAL MEN have thick, full beards and anything less is shameful or geeky.
So yeah, “neckbeard” is a bit of a bullshit term, but I don’t see it as tooooo much of an issue. I’d be interested to hear, say, Noah Brand on it.
Incidentally, my beard started really high and moustache-centric and still doesn’t extend that far past my jawline, so I suppose I must be naturally professorial or sophisticated or something in that system?
All this talk about Paul Elam…
He has a daughter. I wonder if he would do all he could to keep a man who raped her out of jail. If not he’s a hypocrite.
Is his daughter so narcissistic that she is “semi-human” like most “western women”? Or does she know her place. Did Paul Elam teach her where her place was?
Paul Elam wrote an excruciatingly terrible article about a woman he counseled who was sexually abused by her father. His website advises men not to get involve with single parents as their children might want “local celebrity” and falsley accuse them of abusing them.
This is who Paul Elam is.
PAUL ELAM IS ACTUALLY A COUNCILOR? I’m surprised someone didn’t fire the bastard and permanently revoke all of his licenses and degrees! He is unfit to be in any kind of counseling profession at all!
And that goes to every MRA out there:
RockingMrE
ManWomanMyth
Erin Pizzey
Angry Harry
MRAL
NWO
TheAmazingAsshole
Susan Walsh
Any drifters on this site
Any MRA on the internet and IRL at all
(Yes, MRAs out there I am addressing YOU!)
This Paul Elam is one of your main spokespeople and representatives for the MRM. If any of you still support or endorse him in any way, or in any way support or endorse the MRM, you are unfit to be called a human being.
You MRAs are some of the most stupid, vile, cruel, hypocritical, and mean-spirited people on the planet. People like you are what’s wrong with the world. Your “mens’ rights” movement has been justifiably indicted as a gigantic fraud, and is the most pathetic joke for a human rights movement to ever exist.
@Caraz
I think it goes beyond “not shaving is lazy” into “not having a full beard is UNMANLY”.
It’s similar to “hairy-legged”, but is usually used to imply a lack of social skills rather than being OMG such a bitchy feminist harpy. It’s still implies deviating from gender norms hair-wise is bad, though. I’ve had “ponytail” used in a similar way, generally for more liberal-minded geeks or those accused of “white-knighting”.
@red_locker
That was Elam, I think. Or was it Roissy?
oops let me retry that
They are in no way comparable. Its pretty much socially expected that a woman shaves her legs. With guys its socially acceptable to not the shaving hair on your neck.
Actually, Elam would probably go with “the thought of crushing my mangina enemies, seeing them driven before them, and then not actually rape the women they don’t have because they are manginas unworthy of such a fun toy. And when I say “not actually rape”, I mean “totally rape, but rape is a feminist conspiracy to oppress men”.
Oops. Add “gives me a boner” after “fun toy” and before “. And when I say…”
Or “say that rape is totally wrong, but then vote to let the rapists off without penalty and make the victim suffer just for shits and giggles”
Re neckbeards: Some of the ShitRedditSays-ers have started this lil joke subreddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/neckbeardrights/
Also, at the moment I’m sort of a neckbeard myself, in the literal if not the metaphorical sense.
I wonder if all beards can be classified like that, anyway. Can I be a top-lip-and-thin-strip-of-under-mouth-area-and-little-triangle-underneath-my-chinbeard?
Is describing your beard gonna turn into something like the Feministe describe-your-privileges list before every post? Are we gonna fight over “beardless” versus “beard-free”? 😀
@Bagelsan
“Beard-free” is a typical feminist neologism. By endorsing an unfortunate lack of masculinity as a convenience, feminists reveal their hate of all that is manly. And yes, that is misandric.
I knew you’d admit to wanting to castrate all men eventually.
You’re all just fat ugly bitches who will wind up sleeping with bearded alphas anyway. Enjoy your cats, feminists, and enjoy your lack of pussy, “beardfree” manginas.
Think on it.
It’s true; we fat ugly bitches actually judge the alpha-ness of a man by the quality of his manly beard, like the plumage of a male peacock. But admitting that makes it sound like we maybe don’t want to castrate men (and that’s just silly!) so we pretend to despise beards. Stupid beards! You suck, you fuzzy triangularish bastards!
My preference is no bears for anyone. So when I become Supreme Generalissimo Queen Empress Mother of the World, no bears for anyone!
why no bears???
what did bears to do you???
Speaking of rape, here an MRA says “rape culture” is the result of women screaming at imaginary rapist men.
http://i.imgur.com/ecuSc.png
.The irony.
as someone who actually cares about these things, i cannot stress how wrong the above is. just in case anyone didnt figure that out.
lets reduce a complex legal system to the dumbest and most self-serving soundbite possible. what could be wrong with that.
They never hunted the mammoth for me. Or was that beards?
@jumbofish
Ruined a Kodiak moment perhaps?
Also Jumbofish, I was being silly-who would be a Supreme Generalissimo Queen Empress Mother of the World?
Clearly someone’s never lost their pic-a-nic basket
@PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
A massive misurstrist, apparently.