How seriously does Paul Elam, head cheese of A Voice for Men, take the issue of rape? So seriously that he has proudly declared that
Should I be called to sit on a jury for a rape trial, I vow publicly to vote not guilty, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that the charges are true.
It’s in bold in the original, too. Evidently, the best way to fight against false accusations is to let the guilty free.
Recently, Elam has started a whole campaign, complete with its own little acronym and everything, to encourage others to follow his lead. In one recent post, he even seems to be suggesting (in a wink-wink-nod-nod sort of way) that his followers should lie about their beliefs in order to get on juries, just so they can Fuck Their Shit Up and, as he put it in a one word comment advertising the post on Reddit, “nullify.”
Now, in his original post on rape, it seemed to be pretty clear that his ire was aroused specifically by the specter of evil women lying about being raped by men. As he put it, justifying his decision to acquit the guilty,
Women lie about being raped, judicial politicians make careers off of putting away sexual offenders, and a brainwashed public cheers it all on. That so many of the men caught up in this are innocent doesn’t stop the grinding wheels of all this injustice for even a moment.
But before we conclude that Elam’s stance on rape is simply misogynist, I point you to a new post that suggests that he takes the rape of men just as (not) seriously as he takes the rape of women – to the point that he thinks it’s hilarious to make jokes about raping men. Announcing a radio show devoted to further discussion of his surreal atheist post from earlier this week, he says this about one famously feminist atheist activist who is also a dude:
Hopefully, before we are done [with the radio show], MRA’s of differing views will find more common ground, and PZ Myers will be limping to the drug store for some KY Jelly.
I guess on AVfM, making a rape joke about about a man is just peachy, so long as the man in question is someone you don’t like.
Stay classy, Paul!
(Thanks to Xanthe for alerting me to Elam’s most recent post.)
How comforting to know MRAs think male survivors are just as much liars as female survivors.
Rutee: Rape is only really rape if the victim is attacked, violently, and fights back. A “REAL MAN™” would fight back, and either prevent the rape, or be killed.
So any man who gets raped, wasn’t trying to prevent it, not really, ergo it wasn’t REALLY rape.
/cynicism
I really hate being proven right sometimes. There really is no low MRAs will not sink to. There is no one they have real sympathy for, aside from the chosen few, and even they will be turned on in a moment.
MRAs consistently demonstrate themselves to be stupid, evil and cruel people who lie about verifiable things.
Men who are raped are gay, with the implication of course that ONLY a gay man would LET himself get raped. Gee, and we wonder why even fewer men report their sexual assaults than women. Disgustingly vile bastard.
@Holly:
“Besides he was probably a feminist, and then we really really don’t have to worry.”
I totally called it.
That they care more about rapists than women was a given, but even to my jaded mind, that they care more about rapists than men feels like a new development.
…What exactly are these “men’s rights” again?
Hypocrisy is a philosophy of personal exceptionalism. I wouldn’t be surprised if Paul Elam totally lost his shit if HIS daughter was raped, because hers would be the only real rape in the world, and her case would be special. Besides, it’s so much easier to hate the faceless, nameless mass of “skanks” than an actual person one knows by name and has a relationship with.
My own father has the most appalling views on rape. (He often tells a joke — THIS MAY BE TRIGGERING — along the lines of “Three girlfriends were walking down the street. Two got raped, the third one didn’t want it.” Or “Thee girlfriends were walking down the street. Two got raped, the third one was ugly.”) And yet, I have no doubt in my mind if I was raped, he’d kill the perpetrator.
Men’s rights only apply to the few in the MRM, all others can go hang for all they care.
So THAT’S why Xanthe keeps calling him the backwards male. WOW I’m slow :$
Honestly, anyone who uses the term “renegade X” is an obvious faux-X activist AFAIC. See MRAs, nationalists etc
Fun little comment after Elam’s fail at back-pedaling:
“Tom Snark in reply to just some helpful troll
The problem with TAA is his delivery. And that includes the above citation.
He’s so full of ‘fucks’ and ‘shits’ and ‘c*nts’ he comes off sounding like a feminist. Or just immature. When I watched his video response to the Sharon Osborne incident, I thought, I admire this guy’s passion, but he sounds like he’s about to burst into tears. He needs to stop shouting about it and channel that fury into constructive anti-feminist discourse…”
I… what the hell, man. What the hell.
“Paul Elam:
… In the end it doesn’t matter, though. Most everyone has agreed that TJ was in the wrong for saying what he did, AND that anyone who plays their alleged rape as a trump card in a debate is pretty fucked up as well.”
This is not an unexpected reply. “Feminists are terrible people” becomes “well, both sides are wrong, but especially the victim.”
Shadow, don’t feel bad, it took me a while to catch that as well.
Well, it’s okay to joke about rape, in the right context…ala George Carlin and other great comedians. It’s also okay to use your RIGHT to jury nullification. This is the corner stone of the American jurisprudence system, along with natural law theory as a standard.
What isn’t okay is to talk about rape flippantly without even attempting a joke (although I wouldn’t ban it by law or anything), and trying to nullify violent crimes like rape. Nullification is reserved for when the crime is deemed tyrannical, aka the jury diagrees with the law on principle. This is also called “voting your conscience”.
It’s hard to “vote your conscience” when you don’t have one, however.
Shadow, don’t feel bad, it took me a while to catch that as well.
I still hadn’t. Now I did. (I thought i was a joke with “lame”)
“He’s so full of ‘fucks’ and ‘shits’ and ‘c*nts’ he comes off sounding like a feminist. Or just immature.”
What’s Elam’s catchphrase again? Mess….Their…. Stuff Up? Something like that. Eh, it’ll come to me later.
This is sort of off-topic but I’m chuckling at the new type of shaming that’s about to be born: Neckbeard shaming.
Numerous people called TJ a neckbeard along with other names like “repulsive toad.” Anyway, a few people are taking offense to neckbeard and are making an issue out of it. Mostly on Youtube video comments.
Still, it’s a little humorous. But I suppose that’s my estrogen produced, hairless face privilege showing.
What the hell is a “neckbeard” anyway?
“That they care more about rapists than women was a given, but even to my jaded mind, that they care more about rapists than men feels like a new development.
…What exactly are these “men’s rights” again?”
Requoting for justice…and out of disgust.
At this point, there should be no doubt that the current MRM isn’t a Civil Rights group AT ALL.
Dracula: A beard that’s on one’s neck. It became metonymy for a basement-dwelling geek for some reason.
Presumably because it’s the result of not shaving. And not shaving is seen by people to be a sign of..laziness? slobbishness?
*briefly wonders if ‘neckbeard’ is the male equivalent of the ‘hairy legged’ insult thrown at women*
“Presumably because it’s the result of not shaving. And not shaving is seen by people to be a sign of..laziness? slobbishness?”
Strange thing is, I haven’t done anything to my moustache in FOREVER, yet I still got a job where I faced customers of all ages face to face as they took pictures with Santa Claus. Got plenty of smiles.
…I think that is an example of the male priviledge I get in regards to apperance, though.
The “rights” that they covet are the traditional fantasy rights of men to rape pillage and plunder.
The fact that these are the feudal rights of lords (mostly fictional) that when exercised prompted the peasants to drag them down and bludgeon them to death seems to escape their awareness.
Shit, fucking feminists don’t say the fucking c-word. Fuck.
“The “rights” that they covet are the traditional fantasy rights of men to rape pillage and plunder.”
The anime series “Berzerk” is a documentary.
TRUE FAX