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Breaking News from Imaginary Backwards Land: Atheists "worship at the altar of feminism."

The Scumbag Privilege Denying r/Atheism meme.

Paul Elam has apparently become something of a comedian – though not on purpose. In his latest post on A Voice for Men, he takes on the atheist community for being too in thrall to (wait for it) feminism.

I’ll let him explain:

[T]hey are too religious. Yes, I mean that literally. For when you wipe away all the bombastic bellowing about empiricism and the strident mocking of those who choose a life of faith, what you are left with is a population of people that surrender their reason and cognition as though they were at gunpoint; that hit their knees as fast as any Catholic…to worship at the altar of feminism.

His proof? Several years ago someone at Atheist Nexus posted a link to a Men’s News Daily column of his, and – get this! – some feminists responded!

You can go here to see all the horrible things these evil cultish feminist atheists said. Like, for example:

I guess I’m a feminist, but I really like men and these are some of the things I love about them:

Protectiveness is a positive trait in men that women who want to have babies look for. We also like passion and some recklessness, but you won’t get me to admit that to my daredevil husband…..

Confidence; men usually have more of it and it is mostly a postive trait.

The ability to make decisions quickly.

Physical strength and endurance are helpful in many family situations. Ahem.

Penises. You have them, lots of us like them. I know it’s not technically a “trait”, but I had to put that in.

You can practically taste the man-hate there!

Elam, I should note, ignores that comment. No, what’s got his underpants in a wad is this comment:

The whole web site mensnewsdaily.com is a sad overreaction to the growing equality of women in society.

Evidently he’s been stewing about this remark for more than two years.

In fact, if you go and take a look at it, the discussion on Atheist Nexus wasn’t … really … all that feminist.  Yes, several people criticized Elam and mensnewsdaily as “extreme,” but one of those people also criticized radical feminists as similarly “extreme.” Some of the commenters explicitly identified themselves as feminist; others explicitly criticized feminism. Nonetheless, the discussion somehow managed to be the politest conversation about gender I’ve run across online in a long, long time.

Seriously. Go take a look at it. Then consider how Elam sums it all up:

Apparently they can’t even handle 50 years of loud mouthed arts majors without drinking the Kool-aide and going brain dead. There was scarcely a voice among them that did not wallow in the ersatz enlightenment so common to feminist ideologues.

And then he moves on to whatever this is:

Feminism, as far as ideology goes, has been very effective at using human reproductive realities to co-opt other movements. In fact, from the American Civil Rights Movement to Occupy Wall Street, feminism has progressed without paying its own way, but rather by sending women in to other social arenas and wheedling men into supporting them. The Borg would be proud if they had emotions. Resistance is Futrelle.

Ho ho! Futrelle rhymes with futile! Sort of! Lest Elam and co. become too overwhelmed with pride for this clever wordplay, I should note that some junior high schoolers beat him to the punch back in the late 70s. Or maybe it was grade schoolers. I really don’t remember.

I’m less clear about the rest of his argument about “human reproductive realities.” Apparently it’s a fancy way of saying that dudes only support feminism so they can get laid. Another highly original notion.

Elam’s other piece of evidence that feminism has taken over the atheist community? PZ Myers.

He quotes this evil athio-feminazi ideologue arguing that if male atheists want to get more women involved in the atheist community, they should:

Learn to shut up and listen. Seriously. You want women to find your organization pleasant and interesting and worth contributing to? Then don’t form panels full of men trying to figure out what women want, talking over women who try to get a word in edgewise, belittling women’s suggestions with jokes, and trying to determine how We Well-Meaning Men can give Those Women what we think they want. You are assuming an authority and presuming that it is in your power to give it to the minority, when what you should be doing is deferring to that minority and giving them your attention, letting them speak and shape your organization.

God – or, if you prefer, Imaginary Entity – forbid that male atheists actually listen to women explain why they might feel unwelcome in the mostly male (and not particularly feminist friendly) atheist community.

You really think feminism has taken over the atheist community? Take a look at Reddit’s Atheism subreddit, where, recently, a woman who recently described how she had been raped was attacked as a liar and a slut in a thread filled with rape jokes. Or go back a little further to the Elevatorgate brouhaha, where an atheist blogger who politely mentioned in a podcast that she doesn’t really like being hit on by strange men in elevators at 4 AM drew the ire of countless angry atheist dudes, including Richard Fucking Dawkins himself? (In case you want to revisit that bit of nastiness, I wrote about “Elevatorgate” in several blog posts; here are some reactions from decidedly non-feminist atheists.)

This is a movement that “worship[s] at the altar of feminism[?]” Not really seeing it, dude.

But again, congrats on the whole Futrelle/futile thing. Genius!

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Bostonian
12 years ago

Katz, I am sorry for insulting punks by associating them with MARL.

katz
12 years ago

I think feminists’ problem (and that of just about any woman claiming he’s more oppressed than men) is a combination of two things:

1. Believing that anything that hurts her feelings is oppression.
2. Not believing that anyone else really has feelings.

Okay, this has to be a Poe. No one can lack self-awareness this much.

Bostonian
12 years ago

MARL apparently can indeed lack self awareness to precisely that degree.

Dracula
Dracula
12 years ago

1. Believing that anything that hurts her feelings is oppression.
2. Not believing that anyone else really has feelings.

No, that would your problem MRAL. As evidence I cite nearly everything you’ve ever complained about.

Rutee Katreya
12 years ago

Cluisanna, agnosticism doesn’t mean that “one of the pre-approved religions HAS TO BE RIGHT”. I’m (almost) sure none of them are. It just means that anything could be right. The laws of physics break down completely at the Big Bang, so we know jack shit. We have no observations or “likely explanations.” There could be anything. So that’s what agnosticism is.

The argument atheism puts forth is “There is no convincing evidence put forward that there is a deity of any sort. The parsimonious explanation is that there is no god.” You are currently offering a half-assed god of the gaps argument. Maybe whatever deity exists really does finally exist there. But absent extraordinary evidence, I will not accept such an extraordinary claim. You aren’t even trying here, are you?

Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t MRAL blind in one eye? Wouldn’t that make him part of a minority?

He has heterochromia, IIRC.

Kyrie
Kyrie
12 years ago

2. Not believing that anyone else really has feelings.

You’re very wrong. We know you have feelings, we just don’t think they entitled you to anything but the basic respect due to all human. Not included in that: access to pussy.

Why do you think we keep telling you to get help? Because we know you’re in pain, and because from this pain you decide to be a complete asshole.
Everybody has feeling. That’s pretty much much what turn a “something” into a “someone”. Powell had feelings for that matter. Having feelings doesn’t make you a good or decent person.

zhinxy
12 years ago

1. Believing that anything that hurts her feelings is oppression.
2. Not believing that anyone else really has feelings.

No, that would your problem MRAL. As evidence I cite nearly everything you’ve ever complained about.

This.

katz
12 years ago

1. Believing that things I do contribute to oppression.
2. Not believing that I really have feelings.

FTFY.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Lauralot, not the eye! No, he’s not blind.

MRAL, kindly fuck off. No one cares how oppressed you are as a middle-class, white, able-bodied dudely college student. Cry me a fucking river.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Rutee, I thought one was smaller than the other, not heterochromia but I could be wrong. I should know, after all the whining he did.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
12 years ago

Rutee, I’m not trying to convince you or anything, it’s just my personal belief system, which is right. And the “no god null hypothesis” is a fallacy, because we have no information to make a null hypothesis. As I’ve said, the laws of physics DO NOT EXPLAIN the Big Bang, so… it’s not parsimonious.

Lauralot
12 years ago

If I knew it weren’t a terrible idea, I’d say MRAL ought to spend some time volunteering at a space that deals with minorities/disabilities/etc., such as a food bank/assisted living community/hospital/nursing home/women’s shelter, etc. That would teach some perspective, and fast.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
12 years ago

Ozy, I would love to trade. Unfortunately, that is not an option.

red_locker
12 years ago

Flounce in 3…2…

I’m waiting, MRAL.

Rutee Katreya
12 years ago

Oh he’s probably still whining, his comments are just in moderation. I’ve forgotten what his latest meltdown was that triggered it, but you know, they just all blur together with this idiot.

Holly Pervocracy
12 years ago

Shit-tons has hurt my feelings that wasn’t oppression. I was upset when a patient punched me, but I don’t think that was oppression. I was upset when my last boyfriend broke up with me, but I don’t think that was oppression. I was upset when I had to be hospitalized with an infection, but I don’t think that was oppression.

Oh, and lots of times I’ve been upset when someone wouldn’t sleep with me, but of fucking course I don’t think that was oppression.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Lauralot, you know what else would slow his roll and maybe spur some empathy? If he volunteered at an animal shelter. I don’t think he could give two shits about people, but shit, even DKM likes kitties.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
12 years ago

@hellkell, for your information, jackass, I was crying earlier today re. the Powell thing. That’s what got me so angry about SRS and their myopic, narrow, jackass view of the world. Bet they can’t wait to hate on those two boys, fucking pricks.

Ymata
Ymata
12 years ago

old white men are perhaps the only oppressed group that is not treated as such.

How are old white men oppressed if they’re not treated as such?

Holly Pervocracy
12 years ago

Ooh, another oppressed class MRAL may join in his life: the poor!

While this might just give him more fuel to blame women for his lot, it will at least give him perspective on what it’s really like to be looked down upon for who you are, to be in a situation you can’t magic yourself out of by “having a sense of humor” or “not being so sensitive.”

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
12 years ago

Not treated as such by people that care about oppressed people (or claim to), namely feminists asswipes. They’re still marginalized in general society, but with the added shitstain of having nothing to fall back on.

Viscaria
Viscaria
12 years ago

@hellkell:

I don’t think he could give two shits about people, but shit, even DKM likes kitties.

DKM only likes kitties if they never cause any mischief and interact with you exactly when and how you want them to. He wants cats to be just as vacant and without agency as he wants his women to be.

But I dunno, maybe MRAL could summon some basic dignity for a cuddly mutt.

Viscaria
Viscaria
12 years ago

Decency, not dignity, silly iPhone.

Kyrie
Kyrie
12 years ago

“even DKM likes kitties.”
Yeah, but MRAL isn’t turning into DKM but NWO.

blitzgal
12 years ago

I consider myself agnostic, mainly because even if divinity exists, humans lack the capacity to define it outside of our own selfish point of view. Every organized religion is tainted by its leadership, who uses arbitrary dogma to maintain its own authority. Our perspectives are so focused on our own ends that divinity is literally unknowable. We’re the three blind men touching a different part of the elephant and each proclaiming to know what it is. But I do find myself much more aligned with the attitudes of atheists rather than the overtly religious, and distrust organized religion in general.

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