Irony alert! The level of irony in this post is so extreme it might actually harm your computer.
So a couple of days ago, MGTOWer extraordinaire MarkyMark, continuing on with his post-retirement posting binge, shared with us an email he got from a fella who had skipped the country in order to avoid paying child support for his three kids.
I’m a deadbeat dad!!! (light your torches – gasoline in 89, 91, and 95 octane is available in your choice of containers). Yep, I’ve got three kids and I’m behind on my child kidnapping payments by probably 10 grand at present and considerably more behind on alimony and her lawyer fees. I skipped the country rather than be jailed for all of the above compounding my crimes. A runaway slave is the worst kind of slave – one that absolutely refuses to serve his massa.
Yep, that’s right. He compared the legal requirement that he provide financial assistance to his own children to … slavery.
In the rest of his letter, he encouraged other “slaves” to follow in his path.
My favorite bit is the quote I used as the headline:
Women from around the world look better than anything back in the states, cost less unless you’re totally stupid, and are much more easily disposed of.
Ooh. That last bit is rather unfortunately worded – unless he really is suggesting that outside the US it is easier to get rid of the bodies of murdered girlfriends and wives.
So anyway, MarkyMark’s post got linked to on the Men’s Rights subreddit. And this little discussion ensued. You may wish to activate your irony shields now.
Take note of the upvotes and downvotes for these three comments.
@Rutee,
She spits on him while simultaneously eating bon-bons and fucking an alpha. Because women are apparently both evil and rather talented.
Bostonian, re contempt:
Why would I wish to carry around even so much as a shadow of the same malaise this guy has? I don’t excuse their behavior, I don’t think they should live consequence free, and it makes me really angry to see the damage they do. And I refuse to open the doorway to the kind of treatment contempt breeds (the kind you see on MRA and other hate group boards). The other thing is that you don’t get this kind of twisted humanity from thin air very easily. Some of it is choice and some of that twisting is from environmental factors beyond their control. Which is why abuse can persist in families over generations.
People here disagree with me on this. All I can say is that not carrying contempt gives me peace to move on. If you wish to mock me, go right ahead. We can carry this conversation here, or at my blog so as to not disturb those who are simply looking to laugh at some really idiotic thinking.
“Simply disappear into the night?” What is he, Batman?
And in my books, a drop or two of pity is a good remedy
Pillowinhell, why do you think that those of us who regard MRAs with contempt are carrying some sort of terrible burden? I’m totally OK with feeling contempt towards loathsome people. Sneering at them does me no harm at all, and I’m pretty sure it’s not a burden to most other people who feel the same way either. Contempt doesn’t automatically lead to awful behavior either, if you’re a decent person.
Here we go.
@ katz
Needs more references to the submissive women who I can find elsewhere, so I’ll find another wife, you just see if I don’t!
Contempt is not a big burden for me, I think it is different for each person. Also, when people reacted with compassion to MARL, for example, he was quick to piss on it and throw it back in people’s faces.
I do not think these people care about compassion at all the way you are offering it.
Not that offering it is bad in and of itself, I just do not think they will take you up on it the way you hope they will.
I googled “LBFM” as my fiancé and I didn’t know what it meant.
I wish I hadn’t
Those MRAs are all class.
Katz that was awesome!!! More please!
Cassandra, if you’re fine with it then okay. For me its different.
Ugh…how to explain this…
Okay let’s try for short and sweet (neither of which is a strong point for me =) ). It comes down to not wanting to carry anger or hatred. I was an abused child. Badly abused. Until about seven when the beatings stopped, at least. End result was a lot of misdirected rage. Two, came from a horrific family background. And contempt fueled by anger was one of the major drives behind it.
I’m sure that decent people can keep a rein on their behavior where contempt is involved. For me its an open door, and I don’t want to see where it goes.
Yeah, a dash of racism to go with the misogyny.
Bostonian I think you are right. When you try to help, people like MRAL will throw it back in your face, they aren’t ready to change. The thing is, that if you show contempt to people it drives them to the other toxic people who will only feed their sickness. And it prevents them from reaching out to those who could help. Would you ask for help in any way from someone who views you with the same distaste as shit?
From what I gather, a lot of people here had high hopes for MRAL. Unfortunately, untangling distorted thinking patterns and uncovering underlying crap is a) difficult and b) something done of a length of time which means that its probably more comfortable to return to crappy behavior. I can’t say that MRAL was particularly sincere. Hopefully he’ll come around before things get worse. I personally would practice detachment from the outcome, rather than hope too much.
I was just over at the thinking housewife…is there anything feminism isn’t blamed for?
Mens fashions? Really???
Its bad enough when feminists get lumped in with behavior non feminists do.
The thing is, the things that are quoted here, on this website, are from the evil, the stupid, and the criminally insane elements of the MRM (these are not mutually exclusive by the way). I suppose there may be parts of the MRM that are not evil, stupid or criminally insane. I have read the sites, and they all pretty much fall into those categories. People that identify as MRAs are already too far gone to help in any real way.
The only people we can really help are those in our day to day lives.
The thing is, the things that are quoted here, on this website, are from the evil, the stupid, and the criminally insane elements of the MRM (these are not mutually exclusive by the way).
So who is who? C’mon, if you’re going to make accusations, you better back it up. Who is criminally insane? Who’s evil?
http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/on-becoming-a-good-man/
So which one is he?
Criminally insane? Evil? Or stupid?
From the post:
People ask me why I am an MRA, why I avoid anything with a feminist label. The answer is simple: I have seen and been part of a damaging past that has happened through bad people using feminism as an excuse to hate and to do bad things. I have been diminished and despised because I’m a man. I don’t hate women because of this. I know there are more good women than bad, in the same way that there are more good men than bad. But the MRA is one place where I haven’t been judged. I haven’t been made to feel shame for what has happened to me. I haven’t been called a liar or been made to feel like one.
Still ready to call us evil, stupid or criminally insane?
Or maybe you should look in the mirror.
I don’t think these guys could be helped by anyone who wasn’t either a professional psychologist.
In real life, I don’t think I’d want to touch their issues with a barge pole. Someone like MRAL, well having them around decent folks who can provide encouragement and example would be good, as long as they were getting pro help and making a concerted effort.
Nephrite I’ve seen and been on the receiving end of the masculinity and ideology of femininity the MRAs promote. From childhood until nearly an adult. So yes, the thinking is very problematic.
“Sexist people don’t tell me off for being sexist!”
Probably not criminally insane. The MRM is less “people with mental disabilities” (as capable of being nice people as anyone else), and more “bigoted assholes”. Yes to evil and stupid though! Don’t be too disappointed.
Seriously though, I’m mostly here to see how Asshat misrepresents my name.
Even with therapy, in order for it to work the subject has to want it to work. These guys don’t seem to have any interest in changing, so they’re not going to.
Cassandra.
Agreed. You cannot force another person to change who they are.
Wow, I get all busy with work and getting ready to move that I completely missed that we have a new troll. Not quite as entertaining as NWO though, but it’s hard to be that crazy.
People who refuse to use blockquoting or quotation marks, for a start.