Irony alert! The level of irony in this post is so extreme it might actually harm your computer.
So a couple of days ago, MGTOWer extraordinaire MarkyMark, continuing on with his post-retirement posting binge, shared with us an email he got from a fella who had skipped the country in order to avoid paying child support for his three kids.
I’m a deadbeat dad!!! (light your torches – gasoline in 89, 91, and 95 octane is available in your choice of containers). Yep, I’ve got three kids and I’m behind on my child kidnapping payments by probably 10 grand at present and considerably more behind on alimony and her lawyer fees. I skipped the country rather than be jailed for all of the above compounding my crimes. A runaway slave is the worst kind of slave – one that absolutely refuses to serve his massa.
Yep, that’s right. He compared the legal requirement that he provide financial assistance to his own children to … slavery.
In the rest of his letter, he encouraged other “slaves” to follow in his path.
My favorite bit is the quote I used as the headline:
Women from around the world look better than anything back in the states, cost less unless you’re totally stupid, and are much more easily disposed of.
Ooh. That last bit is rather unfortunately worded – unless he really is suggesting that outside the US it is easier to get rid of the bodies of murdered girlfriends and wives.
So anyway, MarkyMark’s post got linked to on the Men’s Rights subreddit. And this little discussion ensued. You may wish to activate your irony shields now.
Take note of the upvotes and downvotes for these three comments.
Dudes can’t fuck until they’re beta wimps? MISANDRY.
And uh, thanks Blitzgal. Didn’t know how to respond to that, so I hadn’t said anything.
To be fair to the idiot, I don’t think he was making fun of Schopenhauer. He was told Schopenhauer was a pretty famous misogynist, and was like “WELL I NEVER HEARD OF HIM, DOES THE FEMINAZI CONSPIRACY TEACH ABOUT HIM IN SCHOOL!?”
Is this like Crystal Pepsi?
Heck, even my friend’s ex who tried to kill her pays child support faithfully and visits the kids as often as he can. Which makes the guy in the OP even worse than an attempted murderer. (Why the homicidal ex is not in prison is a long story, which the male DA believed to be an example of MRA-type jury nullification.)
@Viscaria,
Well yes, but see assholes. There are plenty of men-as-breadwinner types who pay their child support. That’s where the second half of my comment comes in. If the wife is no longer taking perfect care of them, why should they give a red cent to maintain her and her ungrateful brats /LOADSOFSARCASM
Let’s see, the US has, as a rule, set 16 as the age fo consent (one must be 18 to take part in porn, and the Mann Act makes some, otherwise legal sex a federal offense).
But it pretty much takes a complaint for anything to be done. So the “draconian” laws say that one has to wait until someone is 16 to have sex with them, legally. And most people get away with it, if they do break that law.
If they do get convicted, Since 2004, there have been 50 cases in L.A. County that mirror the procedural contours of Polanski’s. In 72% of those cases, the defendant got a sentence of a year or more.
Although comparable statistics are not available for the 1970s, figures cited at the time by Polanski’s attorney indicate that no one convicted of unlawful sex with a minor then went to prison and more than a quarter of defendants didn’t see any time behind bars at all.
And of course Polanski, who took raped a 13 year old girl, had lots of people saying, “that was so long ago, and it wasn’t a big deal”, so the idea that men, as class, are being hounded and pursued for this, and being kept from doing something otherwise harmless, is farcial.
Fun thing about age of consent laws from glancing through the wiki page on laws in Europe. source
Ages of consent has mainly been concerned with men having sex with girls, and with homosexual acts. In England, for instance, the age of consent was increased to prevent young girls from being sold in brothels. In some places though, the age of consent for boys was younger than for girls.
For places which had legalized homosexuality, the age of consent for those acts were generally higher than heterosexual acts. In recent times, though, the trend is to reduce the age of consent to match heterosexual acts.
Strange stuff… Though since MRAs are obsessed with older men and younger girls, it’s probable that they would see the above and proclaim “The age of consent for women was higher than for men! The feminists gynocracy wants to force men to have sex with old hags!” Rather than, you know, letting younger men have sex because they are viewed as adults while women are viewed as… not.
@Rutee, exactly like. Also, Crystal Pepsi would be an awesome name for a troll. If there are any lurking jerks in the audience, waiting for your moment to say something headache-inducingly stupid, do we ever have the handle for you.
@M Dubz
This is why I say the MRM makes me appreciate my family. My biological dad may have been committed to a ridiculous view of how a family should work, but at least he held up his end. And even though we were people his wife (later ex-wife) was raising, we were still people, not props.
I wrote a song. It goes: MRAAAAAAs are terrrrrrible people…
California used to be the opposite. For women it was 18, for men it was 21.
This had to do with when they came into their full majority. Women did it at 18, but men had to be 21 to sign contracts, vote etc.
Women, of course, couldn’t vote, and getting married took away a lot of the rights they had when single.
@kathleen, children with disabilities are abused and put into state custody at high rates in general. It’s not the case that all mothers who have children with disabilities do not partially or wholly abdicate caretaking or treat the child poorly, or that all fathers do. There is more social pressure on women than on men to be caretakers, but responses to these things are complex. I was an adult diagnosis, but I had a lot of very noticable symptoms. My father more or less neglectful and abusive equally, my mother displayed a clear preference for my siblings and targeted me for abuse. Issues around disability and “deadbeat” parents are complicated.
Moving on, the social attitudes towards non-caretaking mothers are extremely negative. The term “deadbeat” is not thrown at all non-custodial fathers, but rather ones who do not support their children. Mothers who are not primary caretakers are generally villainized. “Deadbeat mom” isn’t as common because there is a cultural assumption that all noncustodial mothers are bad mothers, so people do not feel the need to distinguish.
My (FEMALE)friend A*** thinks that american men are either too fat and ugly, or too effete and passive-aggressive(urban hipsters). So hey, it’s not just american Women that are looked down upon by the rest of the world….And many americans themselves. 😉
Oh yes, how could I forget one of the MRM’s most important concerns: underage pussy!
Oh gosh, MsN, your FEMALE friend?? This changes everything!
Seriously though, what exactly does that have to do with skipping the country in order to avoid helping to support your own dependent offspring?
@ Viscaria, I am quite interested in hearing this song of yours 🙂
M Dubz: best Hyperbole and a Half icon ever, btw.
You condensed it much better than me, how people can forget the kids are, you know, people. And that misogyny of that depth in someone’s character goes all the way through.
With my kids, I worried for a long time that the blatant abandonment of their father would hurt them; when we were married, at least I could shield it a bit more. The kids seemed so zen, I finally asked them if it bothered them.
“Mom, we decided a long time ago we were the product of parthenogenesis. No, it isn’t a problem. Like we didn’t know who he was our whole lives?” they laughed. I was floored. We’ve had people, when they finally eek out our situation say, “Aw, do you miss your dad?” The kids riff on variations of “Nah, we’re Mom’s clones! Why do you think you only get your Mom’s mitochondria?”
Like I said, zen; heartbreaking, but zen. Funny, brilliant, grounded people.
@ Amphrite: awwww shucks *blushes*
Your kids sounds like the absolute best human beings, so kudos. I’m always amazed at people who spend time around children and don’t realize that they are totally human beings with their own personalities and dreams and inner lives and shit. Like, kids are fantastic and witty and insightful and total jerks sometimes, just like the population in general. And yeah, I get that many of them (especially the very little ones) are untrained needy little ego monsters, but still, they are human beings.
Darksidecat: All good points – I don’t have anything like hard data, just what my family and I have observed.
Since this has been stuck in my head since the mention of Schopenhauer, I must share:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1MgCV6uGuc
By the way, yes I know Schopenhauer isn’t mentioned in that song but he’s a philosopher so that’s where my mind went.
@Noadi- I keep thinking of that scene in Monty Python’s Meaning of Life.
Sorry, I made it weird.
So, I actually clicked on a few of those links that Nephi left (I KNOW), and I have to say that the Reddit link was, shall we say, masterful. My favorite part was where “tomek77” rebuts the argument that “women weren’t allowed to study” with:
…yep. It is just a reality of life that women must be in charge of housework, regardless of any other factors. The housework must come first, and the housework absolutely cannot be done by a man. (I simply do not understand how a group that understands how “woman as the default caregiving parent” is so flawed can simultaneously hold this belief.)
He then goes on to claim that “Mad Men”-era women were “provided for,” but that women don’t need to wear makeup if they don’t want to. (Hint: women who don’t play the conventional-beauty game very rarely get “provided for.”)
Also, women are gold-diggers. At least we’re old-diggers with washing machines, these days?
Noadi: Schopenhauer is in the song.
“David Hume could outconsume, Schopenhauer and Hegel.”
I was just thinking that MRAs complain about a bias against men being good fathers, and that this bias is why men often don’t get custody. Yet here we have a man who clearly doesn’t give a shit about providing for his family at all and in fact seems to view women as “disposable”…and the MRAs are giving him a pat on the back.
@Crumbelievable,
Because MRA’s don’t think of children as small, vulnerable human beings who need to be protected and provided for, but as pawns in the endless game of “Defeat The Woman”. They don’t want custody of the kids themselves; they just want custody because it will upset the children’s mother, and thus it is worthwhile.
It’s kind of like those anti-choicers who are dedicated 24/7 to protecting the BAYBEEZ as long at the baybeez are zygotes/fetuses inside women, but once the baybeez are born, the AC loses all interest in them.
Viscaria – The laws are there to prevent men from having sex with willing women. Females mature at a younger age than males so they want to have sex with older men. There is absolutely no reason that men should be criminals for having sex with anyone 14 or older.