Well, my fellow feminists, we might as well pack it in. For the forces arrayed against us have a devastating, nay brutal, new slogan.
The Counter-Feminist Agent of Change (CFAC) who calls himself Fidelbogen explained in a recent post how this “wicked new slogan” came to him. Also, what the slogan is:
This occurred to me in a flash of inspiration today. I grabbed the first scrap of paper I could find and jotted it down:
Feminism spreads lies like a fly spreads germs.
You like it? I thought you would.
So . . . spread it around, and make it part of the “buzz”!
Get it? Buzz. Like, “buzz” means “what people are excitedly talking about.” But it is also the sound that a fly makes.
See, Fidelbogen is working with TWO DIFFERENT MEANINGS at once. It’s like juggling two things at once, only with your brain. No wonder some MRAs regard his as the finest mind in the Men’s Rights movement today.
Several days after The Bogen (that’s what I like to call him) came up with this masterful slogan, one artistically minded MRA took it to a whole nother level – by using the slogan in the graphic above.
As The Bogen explained in his second post about his new slogan:
Memes can take many forms, and what you see here is among the most elemental and effective of those forms.
I am posting this graphic image for anybody on the planet who wants to fly away with it and spread it around.
First with the “buzz” thing, and now “fly away with it.” LIKE FLIES DO! The man is a genius.
Hell man, you could even print it on T-shirts and coffee mugs. Certainly you can post it on your website. Best of all, you can print it on little squares of paper and leave these in all manner of places where all manner of people will happen upon them.
Oh shit. T-shirts? Mugs? Motherfucking SQUARES OF PAPER?! He’s going CROSS-PLATFORM!
This is the sort of thing that will land in people’s brains, and buzz around there, and never leave!
I explained the buzz thing already, didn’t I?
It will find its way into the general buzz of conversation, too!
Just in case you’ve forgotten. Buzz = what people are talking about. ALSO THE SOUND FLIES MAKE.
I still cannot get over how much of a genius move that whole “buzz” thing is. I don’t know how he does it.
I kindly thank St. Estephe, the blog keeper who created this. I am honored to see my words so skillfully combined with pictures, and made ten times more effective by that method.
It’s true. It takes a tremendous amount of skill to find a picture of a fly, and then to put words next to it.
How can we possibly compete with this?
I tried to come up with some slogans of my own. But the best I could do was this:
I hope you guys have some better ideas.
Try QuickMeme if you want to make a little graphic. I’ll post any especially good ones here!
EDITED TO ADD: Some more graphics that are Fidelbogenesque in their brilliance. One from Scar, one from me.
Wait…
http://stonerwithaboner.wordpress.com/2012/01/30/more-manboobz-misandry/
Isn’t Stoner with a Boner, a MRAL sock? o_O He has a blog now?
Or is he a legit guy?
stoner isn’t an MRAL sockpuppet. Unless he’s way sneakier than I’m giving him credit for.
It’s interesting that in Toysoldier’s post he doesn’t actually quote anybody dismissing Zarat’s experiences. He just says it happens and people just take him at his words. >_> That’s why whenever MRAs make some sort of claim here (like Brandon claiming that people regularly say XYZ virgin shaming things at him) I ask them to show me specific examples, rather than take them at their word and go to “not all feminists are like that” or “I’m sure you have it out of context” or “they had a good reason” because given how often MRAs misread things or just outright lie, I want to see that it actually happened before I worry about explaining it (or condemning it) xD
My favourite thing about TS’ blog post btw was AlekNovy xD
The difference here is hipocrisy. MRAs are not trying to push through legislation that all males are believed all the time and never questioned.
In fact, the laws that feminists passed have gender-neutral wording, so they technically apply to male accusers too.
MRAs only ask that rape accusers are not given any special privilege over any other type of accuser, so there’s no hipocrisy there.
MRAs do not on one instance throw a hissy fit demanding that a male accuser be believed 100% and not questioned, to then turn around and question females.
Make sense? The issue here is double standards and hipocrisy, which the MRA does not have. The MRA asks that men be treated equally, not that they get special privilege.
“Hey, we never claimed to believe rape survivors ok? Therefore we’re the better people because the bar is much lower for us, so we have a higher success rate of jumping over it!”
A lot of MRA logic seems to work like that “HEY, we’re not the ones who have morals! you’re the ones who do, so therefore you’re held to it!” which is TRUE in that we should stick to what we claim, but at the same time it’s hard to believe their moral outrage when they basically say it’s not a moral issue with themselves. So basically… feminists try to be good people as often as possible but sometimes screw up. MRAs never do, so they always meet their standards of behaviour! xD
@David oh ok, I thought I saw ppl referring to him as MRAL. xD
I’m not sure if that’s good to know or just means he’s cloning himself..
I think he might be legit. He is buds with AlekNovy it seems, if you check his blog he comments on a lot of his stuff.
AlekNovy seems to comment on everybody’s stuff xD
http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/mens-issues/the-zeta-contract/
Oh, and talking about MRAs not caring about male rape victims. Nephrite’s heroes at AVfM yet again make the comparison of female rape, not to MALE rape, but to false accusations of rape e_e
I recently saw a question posted to an online forum, asking “If a woman chooses to be alone with one or more men – is she agreeing to be raped?” Pretty obviously this was a stupid question, and it was likely posted in an attempt to troll readers into responding out of emotion. The question, however, when considered in an inversion of context, bears some consideration.
Does a man, allowing a woman, or women, into his presence – tacitly agree to be falsely accused of sexual violence? This is not a question of legal precedent, or of rights; it’s a practical question for practical men to consider. False accusations are rampant and go largely unpunished.
When considered against the ever mounting catalog of men’s lives destroyed by false rape accusation, the answer is obviously yes. A man freely associating with women is agreeing in advance to be personally destroyed by false accusation.
Also they somehow manage to victim blame the guy too for being faslely accused xD
And I love the “ARE RAMPANT AND GO UNPUNISHED” despite their evidence (like Pierce Harlan) being all articles in newspapers about people who get convicted. -_o So it’s not like a) the media ignores it and b) people aren’t being caught. I know in their minds “unpunished” means not getting enough jail time, or being on probation, or having a criminal record, etc… but it’s not as if nobody catches it when it does happen, or the media doesn’t notice (the Daily Mail, esp, is obsessed with false accusations). -_- As for “are rampant”. That goes back to what i keep saying… a lot of MRA ideas of things being rampant aren’t by stats (b/c every scientist, and their mothers, are lying) but by “wow this seems so easy to do in my worldview!”
which a) usually it’s not, and your worldview is flawed/misinformed/incorrect and b) just because it seems easy to do doesn’t mean it’s rampant.
You need to prove it’s “rampant” not just create a hypothetical situation where it seems like it’s really easy, therefore people must be doing it all the time.
On false rape, their logic is this “most rape happens between two people with no witnesses” “most rape is indistinguishable in physical evidence from consent, after all even with force, she could have wanted force to be used” therefore “most rape should be impossible to prove beyond “a reasonable doubt” ” therefore “the fact that there are ANY convictions is proof that the burden of proof must be on the accused, not the crown/state.”
You can point out all the stats about rape accusations not getting to trial, or not getting convictions, but the fact it happens, means there MUST be a problem, because in their minds, any rape trial that leads to conviction CAN’T be reasonable doubt because it’s impossible without a video tape. In their minds, it’s all “he said/she said” so therefore if the male (b/c to the MRAs scared of false accusations it’s always male rapist, female victim) gets convicted, the female was believed. (and all credibility of witnesses is always equal) Therefore, it’s guilty until proven innocent.
So now that that’s established and women’s words are just taken at face value. It must be really really easy to make an accusation right? After all, you just need a period of time where a man and woman were alone, and nobody can prove what DIDN’T happen right? Therefore, at any time, a woman could accuse a man of rape. They could have consensual sex, and how are you going to prove she did consent if she just lies?
So, any woman CAN accuse at any time, and it’d go to trial and the man would go to jail unless he had video tape.
Therefore, we’ve already established that rape accusations destroy lives since from accusation to conviction, you don’t need a whole lot of evidence to get there. (because it’s he said/she said, and the fact that there are convictions means that juries believe the woman, when in a vacuum, it should be 50/50 what happened)
So now it’s just about WHY would women accuse men of rape? This is where the idea of “if it’s really easy, why WOULDN’T you do it” and their own projection of their personalities come in. After all, THEY’D do it if they could, so why wouldn’t women? Women screw men ALL the time. They lie all the time. Why, if a woman was late handing in an assignment, shamed about having sex, or just felt like it, would she NOT accuse, because she’ll be believed?
Therefore, they MUST be doing it all the time.
And now that we’ve established it is happening all the time, we can extrapolate that because women have no problem sending men to jail for no reason, that women don’t actually care about men.
And that’s where the MRA idea of rape accusations being rampant comes from xD (and the estabilshing that women don’t care about men, is also then used to justify why women would do it, and how could so many women be doing it)
Magic!
As usual, it wasn’t that they didn’t believe it until they saw persuasive evidence and statistics that convinced them there’s a problem. It’s that they came up with an idea (or were told it by another MRA) about how this must be SO EASY, therefore it must be happening all the time, therefore it IS happening all the time. e_e
– Excerpt from Ami’s Understanding MRAs 2nd Edition
Cuntbucket doesn’t even make sense as an insult.
You got your cunt in my cumbucket!
You got your cumbucket in my cunt!
I love it when trolls are so excited by the thrilling prospect of using a naughty word on the Internet that they can’t even type it out correctly.
I know I’ve said this before, but when I got all those vegetarians angry at me b/c they misinterpreted my satire (I was making fun of a misogynist and using vegetables as women and making the same arguments as an anti-vegetarian) one of them called me a cuntscab XD
I still keep imagining a vagina crossing picket lines as the other cunts protest…
Man, I go away for a weekend, and we get another visitor from that planet on the other side of the sun where everything is the opposite. Do I have to start a Book of Facts Not Lies?
Feminism kills millions of men every day. Facts, not lies.
Men are much better drivers than women. The only reason they get in more accidents is because they’re constantly swerving to avoid those clumsy women. Facts, not lies.
Women never played any sport before there was a women’s Olympic event for it. Or if they did, it was just to flirt with male referees. Facts, not lies.
Women can’t ice skate. Facts, not lies.
XD
do it!
@Bostonian
It WAS another awesome, but low scoring, showdown. If it makes you feel any better, as a ‘Boys fan I would have rooted against the giants had it been any other team. For some reason the Pats bring out a visceral, somewhat irrational, hatred out of me loll
I didn’t actually watch any of the game except the last 5 min or so, but I did enjoy the commercials! And also getting into discussions about male vs. female objectification re: the really really hot ad with David Beckham vs. the hundreds of ads with scantily clad ladies that seem to serve as wallpaper. My opinion, both are objectifying but I am more put out by ads where scantily clad people are wallpaper than where their physiques are the focus of the ads. I did think it was interesting that they were using Beckham’s body to hawk products in the same way that many models/actresses are usually used as spokespeople by focusing on their looks. Thoughts kids?
I didn’t watch the super bowl or any of the commercials. BUT there was the historic double touch down that happened during the puppy bowl.
Serious stuff right there.
http://animal.discovery.com/videos/puppy-bowl-viii-historic-double-touchdown.html
I quit my job at the bakery and took up illegal computer programming.
Hacks.
Not pies.
I prefer to date weightlifters, but I’m not particularly impressed by distance runners.
Pecs.
Not thighs.
When it comes to dessert, I prefer chocolate to fruit.
Cake.
Not pies.
I quit my job making different strengths of soap, and started answering common questions.
FAQs.
Not lyes.
I used to try to seriously engage MRAs and actually debate their ridiculous ideas, but then I realized that just making fun of them is so much more entertaining.
Mockery.
Not sighs.
I used to be stick in the 1890’s, but now I’m stuck in the 1980’s.
Fax.
Not lies.
aaargh
stuck*
lice*
can i just go back the homelessness statement from The Nephabout how ill served men are.
Homelessness is shitty, no matter what gender you are. There are not enough shelters no matter what gender you are. No one group is privileged over another, it’s all crap. Both men and women face the same issues in homelessness. Both men and women have unique issues in homelessness. The solution is more services, both in terms of accommodation and support staff to enable people to make constructive and realistic choices.
i have worked for almost 20yrs in the homelessness sector both in the UK and Australia. I started out in Women’s Aid and have since worked in exclusively male projects as well. In my observations over the last 20yrs of my professional life, i however believe that there are more provisions for males within the homelessness sectors as ‘general needs’ hostels by default (in my observations) tend to end up predominantly male as most women are too scared to go there. for women to be successfully and safely housed whilst homeless it has been necessary to set up women only spaces, the same simply cannot be said for homeless men.
I’m sorry I was so careless up there. It was if I wasn’t even trying.
Lowquacks – not tries.
@BigMomma as somebody who also works in social services (but not for 20 years, I’m a newbie) this is also my experience. The way the MRAs frame it (like they frame everything), homeless shelters are for both genders, unless they’re only for women. But that’s not true. There are many shelters that are men only, and as you said, even ones that aren’t would have issues with women being afraid for their safety. There’s also a big issue of men’s shelters refusing trans men, de-gendering them and telling them that they won’t be safe (and they don’t get a choice to make that decision themselves) and therefore women’s shelters have to accept them (or if they don’t, they have no place to go) : (Trans access to employment, housing and social services is one of the major components of my job)
And as you said, this isn’t a competition. -_- It’s just like the lifeboat issue. The solution isn’t a big mass fight to the death and men vs women. The solution is more services, more support and to address the societal issues that cause homelessness.
No no no! I said I needed a large animal to help me get up this mountain! Those are way too small!
Yaks.
Not mice.