MRAs, by and large, aren’t big fans of chivalry, and complain bitterly about the terrible injustices forced upon them by this archaic concept, like having to hold doors open for ladies from time to time.
But perhaps they are not considering the many fine benefits of chivalry. In the comments section of Alcuin’s pro-patriarchy blog, our traditionalist friend fschmidt recently set forth the case for chivalry in a way that even the dullest misogynist could appreciate:
In early western culture around the time of the Renaissance, chivalry meant that ladies should be honored and sluts should be raped. This is a totally sound concept and encourages good behavior on the part of women. You cannot expect women to behave if they are not rewarded for good behavior and punished for bad behavior.
Fschmidt’s opinion inspired a lively discussion. Caeser’s Ghost argued that fschmidt had gone a bit too far with the whole rape thing:
Women who dress and behave like whores shouldn’t be raped. They should be prostitutes and treated as such.
Fschmidt replied:
Caesar’s Ghost, I have the greatest respect for prostitutes. Prostitutes provide a valuable service. But sluts provide no value and undermine morality. This is why sluts, identified as provocatively dressed women outside of areas of prostitution, were regularly raped around the time of the Renaissance.
CG argued that prostitutes deserve only the most limited sort of respect:
I respect prostitutes in so far as they fulfill a lowly but necessary function in society. Outside of that function, I have no respect or value for them.
Promiscuous women who are not prostitutes should be treated badly, but I don’t believe that they should be raped. I regard the Renaissance as a great era, but I would have to disagree with their way of handling the problem of sluts.
The mission of Alcuin’s site is, as he states at the top of every page, is to “Promot[e] the Intellectual Renaissance of the Western Tradition.” Apparently you can’t have a real renaissance without sorting out whether or not sexually active women should be raped, or just treated like shit.
For those interested in exploring fschmidt’s opinions further, check out his not-terribly-popular CoAlpha Brotherhood discussion forums. Or this post, in which I examine his CoAlpha brother Drealm’s theory about how women oppress men by dressing like sluts and not covering up their evil sexy hair.
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I have exceptionally unhairy arms (I am hair-impaired all over, I barely even have pubes) and I totally fuck like a man.
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I hate that “fuck like a man” thing. What does a man even fuck like? Are we assuming that Tim Gunn and Hugh Jackman and Michael Cera and Neil Patrick Harris all fuck the same way?
@ozyMRAndias:
So, if I hear you correctly… The main problem with women today is society and bad genes, not the women themselves? 😛
I don’t think the same man even fucks the same way all the time. Guys go through phases, or fuck differently with different partners. If a man was monogamous for five years and then after the breakup he sluts it up, wasn’t he by definition “fucking like a man” the whole time? Or if a guy is sweet and tender on some nights and wild and rough on others, which one of those instances of a man fucking is not “fucking like a man”?
Actually, Tim Gunn doesn’t fuck at all:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/01/tim-gunn-celibacy-sex.html
What I want to know is, “fucks like a man, as compared to what?” Is it the trivial “receives vs. gives?” Or is it comparing to bunnies or something?
@MorgainePen
Shh! Don’t tell MRA’s that! When they learn that chivalry and manly virtues are a feminist conspiracy their heads will asplode!
@ozyMRAmandias
Good going dude! Your simply hilarious!
“Plus, it has no relation to how men and women interact in the real world. I see men and women all the time, being friends, co-workers, lovers, laughing with each other, loving each other, listening to each other, liking each other. ”
It’s important to remember this. I often get so depressed reading things on MRA sites (and on the Internet in general)and start wondering, “Is this what most men think? Are Futrelle and I really outnumbered by hundreds of thousands of men who think most rape victims are liars? I wonder what this guy standing over there thinks. How about that guy I met at the party yesterday?”. I have to tell myself that most people are not MRAs, even if they happen to have unflattering thoughts about feminism.
@kirby
How DARE you compare male fucking to anything! Male fucking is incomparable, it can only be compared to pure manliness without being sullied!
Maybe that’s why you choose kirby as your avatar, kirby! You are a genderless sexless FRIEK!
I’ll have your cunt on stake if it’s the last thing I do! Damn you WOMAN! AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!
These guys know that being a knight (and thus subject to the chivalric code) entails responsibilties, right? It’s not just hey dude, here’s your ceremonial sword, no need to learn how to use it, now it’s rape o’clock so let’s get busy. If you’re not out there risking life and limb to defend the kingdom, no privileges for you. Plus you need to learn how to ride a horse.
At this point there’s nothing MRAs can say that surprises me. They could declare that all 10 year olds should be ceremonially raped to teach them not to be feminists and I’d be all, oh yeah, figured they’d say that. The illogic of their view of what makes someone a slut still amuses me, though. As NWO has explained, basically if a man looks at you and gets an erection, you’re a slut, because you did that on purpose to entice him. So I guess conventionally beautiful women are super slutty. In which case, since they believe all feminists to be hideous hosebeasts, shouldn’t they thank us for not being slutty and enticing men?
“It’s important to remember this. I often get so depressed reading things on MRA sites (and on the Internet in general)and start wondering, “Is this what most men think? Are Futrelle and I really outnumbered by hundreds of thousands of men who think most rape victims are liars? I wonder what this guy standing over there thinks. How about that guy I met at the party yesterday?”. I have to tell myself that most people are not MRAs, even if they happen to have unflattering thoughts about feminism.”
But, Crumbelievable. Most MEN are MRAs. The time for Revolution has finally come! People are starting to wake up to the bullshit of feminism! And when they do, gynococratic politicians and lawyercunts and treacherous betamanginaskanks will all PAY and PAY DEARLY!
“From a contradiction, everything follows.”
David: Yeah, I know. 🙂 There are men who don’t fuck! Celibacy is fucking like a man!
kirby: Maybe they’re using “man” in the old sense of “human” and simply wish to convey that you are not, for instance, using your cloaca.
I beg to differ. The best response to “How come I can’t say the n-word?” is:
“Why do you want to so badly?”
@karalora:
I think that response works for the rape thing as well.
@Ozy:
I know my cloaca is sorely underutilized in bed. I must be part of the “man” category.
@karalora: My thoughts exactly.
It also works for the issue of partner violence, and angry men being violent towards women in general. Like, dude, why do you want to hit women so much? Let’s forget for the moment about me explaining the reasons why you shouldn’t – how about you explain why you want to and why you think that you should be allowed to.
Cassandra, they’d never make it to knighthood, that’s too much like work.
I’m not surprised by what they say anymore, but I do wonder what kind of twisted little mind thinks that even suggesting rape as a means of control is a GOOD idea. Then I wonder what kind of relationships they have with their moms and sister and if their theories apply to them. After that, I shrug and go hug a kitty, because who the fuck knows with these dudes.
Where is NWO? You think he’d be all over this thread like stink on shit.
Lurker here, just wanted to say that I never expected to see a panel from Berserk on this blog.
@kirbywarp:
Legion doesn’t mean demon, per se, since they come from different words in the same language. The association between legion and demon comes from relatively recent translations of an episode featured in the New Testament, in which Jesus confronted a possessed man and the spirits in the man said “our name is legion, for we are many.” Wiki says the original greek word there was “chora”, meaning “country.” I don’t know what bible first translated it as “legion.”
Kathleen and HOlly P: *bows* Thank you! Thank you!
And those dudes who don’t know the difference between the Medieval and Early Modern Periods should also be schooled…harshly….including the fact that in many parts of Europe, women (of all classes) had more rights and freedoms than was true later on–that is, the “Renaissance” as this big progressive movement saw restrictions on women as well as the witch craze.
@Cassandra:
I’m willing to bet 20 bucks that, for people who think they should have the right to hit a spouse but would never actually do it, is that they view their spouse as property. Property they should have the right to treat however they want, but wouldn’t purposefully mistreat them because they’d be damaging their own stuff.
🙁 I’d like a kitty to hug now… (>-_-)>
With the whole “fucking like a man” thing, I wonder if all gay encounters proceed in absolute mirrored unison? Mine certainly haven’t. But would left-handed gays and right-handed gays need to find each other to be compatible or something? That would make left-handers the alphas of the gay world, I guess. MRA’s might actually like that being there.
@Holly
I too have a bad case of the “tiny pointy little chins”, but I guess I brought that upon my usually squarejawed man-chin by cultivating a tiny little pointy chin-beard. I think that’s a far more pleasant way to revive Renaissance manliness, myself.
Kirby, my kitty girls Mimi and Lilly send hugs.
As do my enormous kitties Lavender and Destiny.
…I didn’t name them.