MRAs, by and large, aren’t big fans of chivalry, and complain bitterly about the terrible injustices forced upon them by this archaic concept, like having to hold doors open for ladies from time to time.
But perhaps they are not considering the many fine benefits of chivalry. In the comments section of Alcuin’s pro-patriarchy blog, our traditionalist friend fschmidt recently set forth the case for chivalry in a way that even the dullest misogynist could appreciate:
In early western culture around the time of the Renaissance, chivalry meant that ladies should be honored and sluts should be raped. This is a totally sound concept and encourages good behavior on the part of women. You cannot expect women to behave if they are not rewarded for good behavior and punished for bad behavior.
Fschmidt’s opinion inspired a lively discussion. Caeser’s Ghost argued that fschmidt had gone a bit too far with the whole rape thing:
Women who dress and behave like whores shouldn’t be raped. They should be prostitutes and treated as such.
Fschmidt replied:
Caesar’s Ghost, I have the greatest respect for prostitutes. Prostitutes provide a valuable service. But sluts provide no value and undermine morality. This is why sluts, identified as provocatively dressed women outside of areas of prostitution, were regularly raped around the time of the Renaissance.
CG argued that prostitutes deserve only the most limited sort of respect:
I respect prostitutes in so far as they fulfill a lowly but necessary function in society. Outside of that function, I have no respect or value for them.
Promiscuous women who are not prostitutes should be treated badly, but I don’t believe that they should be raped. I regard the Renaissance as a great era, but I would have to disagree with their way of handling the problem of sluts.
The mission of Alcuin’s site is, as he states at the top of every page, is to “Promot[e] the Intellectual Renaissance of the Western Tradition.” Apparently you can’t have a real renaissance without sorting out whether or not sexually active women should be raped, or just treated like shit.
For those interested in exploring fschmidt’s opinions further, check out his not-terribly-popular CoAlpha Brotherhood discussion forums. Or this post, in which I examine his CoAlpha brother Drealm’s theory about how women oppress men by dressing like sluts and not covering up their evil sexy hair.
This post merits the famous blinking
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…I need a shower.
… rapey…
I think its one of those things where it’s too close to reality to be humorous.
“Yeah… heh heh. There are people who actually think that… … *drinks away faith in humanity*”
Yeah. And they use stuff like women’s rape fantasies to show that women really do enjoy rape.
…which makes about as much sense as assuming my fantasies about surviving in a post-apocalyptic world meaning I want civilization to be destroyed,
*mean
@ ozyMRAndias, aka, useBrainSoapAfterReading,
Um, you know there is such a thing as consensual BDSM, if you’re really into that. It’s not that women who like to be “held down while they faux-struggle” don’t have a way to give into that desire with someone else who sees it as a legitimate sexual desire. Kind of invalidates your “men need to rape women because otherwise they wouldn’t get the rapey sex they want!” argument, doesn’t it?
Ozymandias, you are a mangina idiot. Why would someone fantasize about something unless they actually want to do it? Of course you fantasize about overthrowing Western civilization; feminism is overthrowing Western civilization. By refusing to reward the backbone of civilization, beta males, with pussy– the only true motivating factor in life– they’re incentivizing men to become unemployed DJs and PUA cads in fuzzy hats. And contraception means the White race will die off to be replaced with hordes of Islamists who know, at least, how to keep their women in line.
In feminism there is the seed of its own destruction. Out of the ashes of equality the phoenix of patriarchy will arise.
Ozy – I have fantasies about pegging boys, but I never see “we’re just giving women what they secretly want” douchebags lining up to fulfill those.
BDSM is for fat beta losers and aging sluts trying to “spice up” their sex lives. It has nothing to do with the raging manliness of the alpha male, which these damn courts seek to punish with their “restraining orders” and their “rape convictions.” FEMINIST MISANDRY! I ONLY WAS ONLY GIVING HER WHAT SHE WANTED! I BET SHE SOBS HERSELF TO SLEEP AT NIGHT THINKING OF MY COCK!
So anyway. Beta losers. Raging manliness.
Women don’t want to peg men; they’re naturally submissive and only crave anal sex as the recipients. Pegging is an offense against the natural order of male and female and only enjoyed by masculinized lawyercunts with manjaws and their snivelling beta brides. Besides, any men who wants to be pegged is secretly gay. I expect future scientific research will show that gay men, similar to hyperfeminine women, have an excess of nerves in the anal region, which makes them more likely to enjoy anal sex.
Of course, he’s wrong about chivalry.
Chivalry was created by Eleanor of Aquitaine, to try to “civilise” the men of the Middle/Dark Ages so that they could come into castles and act with some common decency and humanity instead like of rabid nonhuman animals (the way they were pretty much expected to act during war and battle).
Aquitaine, who was Queen to TWO kings (and the kings of the most important European kingdoms at the time), had a great humanising influence on a society that was, at that time, falling to the absolute depths of brutal, power-as-the-ONLY-vaue based patriarchy.
She “challeng[ed] traditional definitions of love, justice, and power to establish the Western traditions of romance, chivalry, and courtly love. She does so by a clever centering within a warriors’s code of honor, a personal love for women. At the same time she cleverly balance[d] the cult of the new woman within the church’s emerging cult of Mary.”
http://web.me.com/markbrand/EOA/Eleanor.html
Hey ozyMRAndias, don’t MRAs expect EVERY woman to be hyperfeminine? Interesting that you think there is a genetic component to it…
Oh hey, I think I finally get it! Alpha males are a small percentage of the overall male population, right? Probably the same as the percentage of, say, psychopaths in the male population.
*wistful sigh*
Our fake trolls are always so much better than the real ones…
@MorgainePen:
Soo… You’re saying that MRAs could learn a thing or two about chivalry? At least until they progress to the point of the rest of the male population, at which point they can be weaned off. 😛
Also, I love how “fat” or “old” automatically invalidates the worth of the individual being discussed. Guess we should just kill all the fat and old people and rape everyone else–but only if you’re one of the remaining handful of Alpha men.
…so is the MRM just a giant Apocalyptic murder fantasy? You’ve been playing way too many videogames. brawz.
(btw, I’m a little sad that Hilarious Troll is Fake Troll. But I should have sniffed it out.)
I have such a ladyjaw it actually makes me a little sad. I think I could dress as a boy better if I didn’t have a bad case of the “tiny pointy little chin”s.
Yeah, where are your evopsych biotruths now?
I have decided that it’s really really silly to get depressed about the kind of people who write this sort of stuff. I think most of it is written for show. In that, a.) I don’t think they’d bother writing it if they didn’t know that people like Dave were sniffing it out and b.) I don’t think they believe a good 90% of the stuff they write. I think it’s just for show. It’s meant to shock, it’s meant to appall. It’s meant to shame, it’s meant to bully.
Plus, it has no relation to how men and women interact in the real world. I see men and women all the time, being friends, co-workers, lovers, laughing with each other, loving each other, listening to each other, liking each other.
This stuff…it’s the ranting of (very sad, very angry) little boys who want attention.
OMG. There are a whole lot of models, actresses, porn actresses who are falling down on the job!
@vacuum slayer:
That was what struck me as so funny about yesterday’s troll-du-jeur. Feminism’s opponents are legion. More like a centuria…
Side Note: Just found out that “legion” also means “demon.” So MRAs are demons now? Makes sense I guess…
You know, when feminists discuss rape as a weapon of social control and war, this is the shit they are talking about. It’s pretty clear that this type of rape is a form of hate crime against women in addition to being an act of interpersonal violence.
I am not a fake troll! You just don’t want to believe in the tremendous tingles my raging masculinity sends you into!
kirby: Occasionally, when an alpha male fucks a woman, instead of producing a properly masculine son his sperm produces a masculinized woman, continually insecure and jealous of her beautiful (if declining) mother’s feminine success. Combined with modern society’s desperate attempts to bleat that men and women are the same, these pseudomen will often find themselves single at forty with their rationalization hamsters falling off the wheel. “Look at all my degrees and wealth! I want it in a man, why doesn’t a man want it in me? They must be jealous of my success.” A chest-stroking cougar is nigh!
Holly: I bet you have hairy arms and fuck like a man, you slut.
@dsc:
I actually think there’s something similar going on with racists and the n-word. When racists complain that the n-word is off limits for them to say, the proper response is “there are millions of other words you can say, you won’t miss the one.”
MRAs, take heed. Find something else to “punish” women with in your little fantasy. There are millions of cruel things you can do without resorting to rape every time.
Jess: My troll self is as faithful as rendition as I can make of What Roissy Actually Believes. 🙂
dsc: Yep. It’s straight from Brownmiller’s Against Our Will*. “Let men own your sexuality and don’t be a slut, because you know what happens to sluts…”
*which is a seriously awesome book if you grit your teeth and ignore the erasure of male survivors