When is a slut not a slut? When he’s a dude. So says the (He)artist(e) formerly known as Roissy, in yet another post of his trying to prove that his brand of Pick-Up Assholery is fully proven by SCIENCE!
His evidence in this case? A recent study of speed dating that showed that (straight) women, in addition to being attracted to attractive men (duh!), also seem to be attracted to men with high “sociosexuality” ratings. “Sociosexuality,” for those not fully immersed in the SCIENCE!! of dating, is basically someone’s propensity for casual sex.
In other words, the study found that guys who do a lot of casual dating tended to do better at casual dating.
Heartiste/Roissy puts it this way:
Men who have high sociosexuality (HSS) are more attractive to women because the suite of characteristics associated with HSS suggest prior experience bedding women and possession of mating skills that attract women.
It’s akin to a form of preselection for men, minus the actual women he’s banging being physically present at his side to aid in the alpha judging process that all women, consciously or not, impose on their suitors.
In a very loose sense, high male sociosexuality is male sluttiness.
If you strip out the PUA nonsense about the “alpha judging process,” all this seems fairly self-evident, if not simply tautological. Guys who’ve been with a lot of women will probably do better with women in the future than guys with no experience who view women as strange alien creatures. (Note: In all this, we’re only talking about straight people; PUAs don’t seem aware that gay people exist, outside of their own fantasies of hot bi girl threesomes.)
It’s at this point that Heartiste/Roissy amps up the assholery:
Male sluttiness is not equivalent to female sluttiness. It is more difficult for a man to be slutty that it is for a woman owing to the discrepancy in worth between sperm and egg, so people justifiably perceive male sluts to have higher quality mate value, and higher quality mating skills, than female sluts for whom the act of sexual conquest is merely synonym for being easy.
In other words, it’s bad to be a female slut, but great to be a male slut:
[T]he study results confirm the validity of game when its conclusions find that male sociosexuality is a relatively powerful predictor of attractiveness to women, even to women looking for long-term relationships.
Not only can this SCIENCE!! of game help to get dudes laid – it can basically save the world from evil fat chicks.
It’s vital to readers to get this scientific information validating game out there, because there are a lot of doubters and haters who are blinded by what they won’t see. Sometimes, men need to know that there is an experimental foundation supporting all these seduction techniques and peculiarities of female behavior. It’s not necessary to know this stuff to start gaming chicks out in the field right now, but for men with a cynical bent or shy disposition, it helps to know that there are rules that govern human interaction. It may be the boost they need.
Turning former nerds into wily lotharios will help to put those uppity female sluts in their place:
[A] moment of candor. This blog is first and foremost a source of self-amusement, but it is also a true and real desire to teach and to see men succeed sexually and emotionally with women. Men who become better at attracting women increase their options in the mating market. Men with increased options cause women to behave better. Women behaving better redounds to the benefit of families, and to society.
And by “behave better”, I mean the whole panoply of awful modern female behavior: cheating, cock carouseling, divorcing on a whim, eat pray loving, straycationing, spinstering, attention whoring, voting and fattening up into repulsive dirigibles.
Yep, he did slyly insert “voting” into all that. Sneaky!
So slut it up, fellas! It’s the only way to put those evil lady sluts in their place. And, thereby, save the world from sex-having, vote-casting slatterns.
Quackers, I noticed Feminist Critics’ criticism amounted to pointing out that it was “an eye for an eye” – which is true, but I think more of a problem is that retaliation seems to be the only effective method of obtaining a result: WordPress or Blogger simply won’t lift a finger to censor libellous blogs short of actual litigation being brought forward in the courts, and if it gets to that point then the Streisand effect will do the rest.
The lady did have some help from another pseudonymous poster, feeding her information; and the chap was unwise enough to be interviewed by a newspaper, which published his full name, age, employer, and the name of his blog (which has since been partially redacted). Hoist by own petard indeed.
Retaliation isn’t a good strategy, but as I said, it’s almost impossible to get libel blogs taken down. People might recall a Melbourne writer, Marieke Hardy, naming and shaming her libeller on her blog when the #mencallmethings hashtag went viral on Twitter. The libel blog is still hosted on Blogger (entitled, “Marieke Hardy is scum”, no direct linky desirable since the blog occasional changes its URL). Blogger won’t take it down; last November I filed an on-line complaint, which refers you to a page saying “this blog is an example of free speech, so we’re only going to do something if you’re the direct victim of libel and you file a law suit to make us do something”.
Problem was, Marieke may have identified the wrong person (certain friends of the wrong person did their best to do some on-line harassment of their own, to try and hush up the wrong person’s name) and reportedly has had to pay out $13,000 out of court to avoid a defamation suit.
The charming world of the Internetz for women.
Ami, anything specific I say is probably patronizing and from a place of privilege, but I just think you’re pretty neat.
Like, you’re cool. And you’re trans. It’s like an aspect, but hardly everything.
Totally understand Scar’s point to keeps separate profiles. Some people feel better that way, regardless of the specific thing they’re keeping.
Ok, done chiming in as an outsider.
QFT.
The whole MRAL situation has kind of soured me on the idea of trying to help out troubled angry young men before they go MRA, honestly. In real life I might still try to help if I knew the person, but in an online sense I’m not sure how effective it is.
Then, to be frank, you’ve removed any chance you had of being of being stealth, so you don’t really have a choice in the matter :-/
That’s my point :3
I never was planning to be stealth. I just never planned for so many people to know… (nor did I plan on having a job where any agency I work with necessarily has to know I’m trans)… I also didn’t plan on talking so much about my pre-transition life (which I have to a lot of ppl on the chatbox in the past, I kinda regret that, just cuz usually that’s the part I don’t mention, b/c I worry it changes the way ppl see me, and that they see me as who I was in the past, which was a lot of me pretending, and really just killing off any real personality or wants I had and piloting a mech) >_> There’s a woman who works where I work, and she’s really really awesome and like … I’d never be that awesome xD But she was like talking about the one downside to her job and huge profile is that she’s seen as trans ALL the time, and not as [her name] first, and that that part is something that’s harder for her to deal with than she expected, and it pinged to me b/c it’s sorta what I’m dealing with too lately and explains some of the ways I’ve been feeling lately and etc >_>
That’s not a complaint about these things. I mention I’m trans b/c sometimes I feel I need to for activism online, and I love what I do and trying to make things better, change policies, make agencies safer and accessible for trans people, etc :3 I just worry it matters more to the way people see me than I think it should matter to how ppl see me e_e
Actually Lady Zombie, I’m extremely interested in reading an evo-psych rant from you. Evo-psych is something I became aware of through PUA, so my opinion of it is very low. But if there is any genuine legitimacy to it, I’d love to hear it.
My argument against it is that anything that is truly natural to humans are things that biology renders us incapable of going without. In other words, if it’s so unnatural for women to be promiscuous, we would be biologically incapable of it.
Thoughts?
Sigh… I know I can’t do anything for oline guys. Its just that it sucks when people hurt so much and I don’t know what to do….or even worse, I try to help and end up doing more damage. I can think of a couple guys I’ve known, who had a lot going for them, but I wasn’t interested in dating them and so it seemed to them I was just confirming what they already knew. I want to help, not disparage them with a pity fuck.
Occasionally, I helped a bit by acting as a dating advisor in small details or taking them out and helping them see the women who were interested, but those were really close relationships, highschool friends.
This has always been what I find so funny about rants about how women are naturally meant to be submissive. (Hi, Meller!) If that was true, it would have been completely unnecessary for so many societies to expend so much effort to force women into submission. If women need to be “trained” or “encouraged” in submissiveness, they’re not actually submissive by nature at all.
@Quackers:
There are two types of MRAs, guys in the MGTOW and that believe that feminism will be destroyed if guys go their own way (become celibate or find a submissive wife in Asia) and guys that admire Roissy and believes that feminism will be destroyed if guys become PUAs. Even if they have the same ideas about women, the two groups don’t like each other very much. Since guys in the MGTOW cannot get laid, when Roissy appeared in 2007 , a lot of them joined him. He basically mixed the MRA mythology with PUAs technique. But most of admirers still cannot get laid and they are all living a fantasy life vicariously through his blog. When Roissy was outed two years ago, he stopped blogging during a few weeks, and his admirers were really desperate. Basically the guy is a sociopath who is a failure with women (he probably never had a real girlfriend) and want everybody to sink with him and his admirers encourage him because he’s telling them what they want to hear. They really see him as a god.
A lot of the times it seems like that consciously or subconsciously they’re holding themselves hostage with this stuff too… like “if women don’t date me that I want to date me, then I’m going to succumb into total darkness and hatred” and I think sometimes when they are in that dark place, they justify it like that in their heads too “this is all their fault, if they dated me, I wouldn’t be like this!” And I think it also works on us cuz we are caring people, and even if we know that “not being able to f- who I want” is like the least important thing in the history of men’s issues (for example, volunteering at a men’s shelter would be more helpful than trying to help Nice Guys get a date) but we also dont’ want them to fall into depression, self-hate, misogyny, anger, subscribing to toxic PUA stuff, etc etc…and we want to prevent that, but I don’t think there’s nething we CAN do… b/c they don’t want anything reasonable, they want every woman who they want to f- to be there ready to f- them.
In mellers view, women are naturally submissive. Its feminists and other women strong enough to think for themselves who are unnatural, some of them try to explain it with mixed up horomones or chromosome abnormalities. Then we started forcing all those natural women to live according to our perverted ways.
If women were as submissive as Meller believes, the human species would have died out. Too many men would have been required to tell women to keep breathing for anything important like food gathering to get done.
I also don’t understand how they think genetics work…
if you have aggressive men breeding with submissive women it doesn’t mean you’re going to get submissive daughters and aggressive sons… (even if personality was a straight line to a single gene, let’s pretend) we’re not separate species, like so many MRAs seem to believe… like if you have short women breeding with tall men, you won’t get tall sons and short daughters… the genes are still there for both genders to select… >_>
I look a lot like my mom, on hormones I look like a (much taller) clone of her when she was young… by MRA ideas of genetics that should be impossible >_>
That or they think there’s some sort of “beauty” gene that just knows that if it’s expressing for a woman, she should look like Megan Fox, and if it’s expressing for a man they know he should look like Justin Hartley xD
@CassandraSays:
MRAL was already too much involved in the manosphere to helped. But I know a woman that knew fucked-up guys and prevented them to join the manosphere.
Hmm.. Amy I think you’re largely right. I guess it comes down it being easier to blame someone else than fix the situation.
I remember when I was desperately poor and working way too much, but not making enough to pay the rent and have food or anything else…I had one channel on my tiny TV and it seemed that the only thing ever on was world vision….looking at the lives of people around the world who were barely clinging to life taught me to count my blessings. Where I lived was considered a dump but by comparison it was a kings palace.
I’ll never forget the woman who was asked what dreams she had for her children. Her reply was “what right have I to dream. We’re too poor to dream”. That thought haunts me…being human in part is the ability to dream of better things…
@Amy Angelwing
You really are that blonde aren’t you? Do you really have no clue how genetics work? Why are men and women so different if genes aren’t being passed down by sex? So now almighty feminist “science” is claiming that men and women are exactly the same? If tall genes are passed down to both how come men are taller than women?
The point being, that instead of getting angry and bitter with everyone able to eat and pay rent, I chose to see it as a temporary thing that I needed to think smarter through. The hard work was already there. ( Four hours a day spent walking to and from my jobs, plus the laundry and ironing service I provided to some bachelors in exchange for a few bucks)
“I look a lot like my mom, on hormones I look like a (much taller) clone of her when she was young… by MRA ideas of genetics that should be impossible >_>”
And I look just like my Dad! Well, a feminine version of my Dad, but really, the resemblance is striking. Body-wise I have features that very clearly came from both sides of the family – Mom’s legs, Dad’s strength and coordination (my mother was awesome, but quite capable of tripping over her own feet in a brightly lit room while wide awake), Mom’s eyes (poor vision included unfortunately, though not as bad as hers), an overall build that’s mostly like Dad’s family, but Mom’s hands, etc. MRA seem to think that children are basically clones of the parent of the same sex, which is sort of baffling. Like, sperm and egg fuse, you know? It’s not like a baby girl is born from the egg and then the sperm mutates into a baby boy.
Men’s Rights Activists (MRAs) aren’t the same as Pick Up Artists (PUAs) Mantards like David Futrelle keep spreading this lie to discredit the Men’s Rights Movement (MRM) and to confuse red pill men that they’re actually fighting against feminism when they’re actually betraying they’re own fellow men.
To make a historical comparison, MRAs are the French Resistance, while the PUAs are the Vichy French! They’re traitors, cowards and collaborators and when feminism finally falls, they’ll be tried for war crimes along with the rest of you cunts.
So what are the genes that pass on personality and intelligence or capability attributes. Phenotypes like eye color or height are easy to trace and affected by human horomones and environment. Some women do end up taller than their brothers.
@CasandraSays
And in feminist genetics, men are born with vaginas 50% of the time too right?
Do you even hear yourselves?
Oh noes!! He said the word cunt! We better all run home and cry now!!
Take your death threats and shove them up your ass.
Body-wise I have features that very clearly came from both sides of the family – Mom’s legs, Dad’s strength and coordination (my mother was awesome, but quite capable of tripping over her own feet in a brightly lit room while wide awake), Mom’s eyes (poor vision included unfortunately, though not as bad as hers), an overall build that’s mostly like Dad’s family, but Mom’s hands, etc.
You must be hideous.
So I take it that MRAs are going with the baby girls come from eggs and baby boys evolve from sperm, then. Awesome – I can’t wait to see the illustrations.
My name is 3 letters long! Why can’t nebody ever spell it!? xD
Because they’re stuck in the imaginary past. If that’s not how it was spelled in TV shows from the 50s, they can’t spell it.
PUAs are just an offshoot of the same tired old misogynist crap as the rest of the MRM. Just because your tinfoil hat has a different design, it does not mean it is not a tinfoil hat.