When is a slut not a slut? When he’s a dude. So says the (He)artist(e) formerly known as Roissy, in yet another post of his trying to prove that his brand of Pick-Up Assholery is fully proven by SCIENCE!
His evidence in this case? A recent study of speed dating that showed that (straight) women, in addition to being attracted to attractive men (duh!), also seem to be attracted to men with high “sociosexuality” ratings. “Sociosexuality,” for those not fully immersed in the SCIENCE!! of dating, is basically someone’s propensity for casual sex.
In other words, the study found that guys who do a lot of casual dating tended to do better at casual dating.
Heartiste/Roissy puts it this way:
Men who have high sociosexuality (HSS) are more attractive to women because the suite of characteristics associated with HSS suggest prior experience bedding women and possession of mating skills that attract women.
It’s akin to a form of preselection for men, minus the actual women he’s banging being physically present at his side to aid in the alpha judging process that all women, consciously or not, impose on their suitors.
In a very loose sense, high male sociosexuality is male sluttiness.
If you strip out the PUA nonsense about the “alpha judging process,” all this seems fairly self-evident, if not simply tautological. Guys who’ve been with a lot of women will probably do better with women in the future than guys with no experience who view women as strange alien creatures. (Note: In all this, we’re only talking about straight people; PUAs don’t seem aware that gay people exist, outside of their own fantasies of hot bi girl threesomes.)
It’s at this point that Heartiste/Roissy amps up the assholery:
Male sluttiness is not equivalent to female sluttiness. It is more difficult for a man to be slutty that it is for a woman owing to the discrepancy in worth between sperm and egg, so people justifiably perceive male sluts to have higher quality mate value, and higher quality mating skills, than female sluts for whom the act of sexual conquest is merely synonym for being easy.
In other words, it’s bad to be a female slut, but great to be a male slut:
[T]he study results confirm the validity of game when its conclusions find that male sociosexuality is a relatively powerful predictor of attractiveness to women, even to women looking for long-term relationships.
Not only can this SCIENCE!! of game help to get dudes laid – it can basically save the world from evil fat chicks.
It’s vital to readers to get this scientific information validating game out there, because there are a lot of doubters and haters who are blinded by what they won’t see. Sometimes, men need to know that there is an experimental foundation supporting all these seduction techniques and peculiarities of female behavior. It’s not necessary to know this stuff to start gaming chicks out in the field right now, but for men with a cynical bent or shy disposition, it helps to know that there are rules that govern human interaction. It may be the boost they need.
Turning former nerds into wily lotharios will help to put those uppity female sluts in their place:
[A] moment of candor. This blog is first and foremost a source of self-amusement, but it is also a true and real desire to teach and to see men succeed sexually and emotionally with women. Men who become better at attracting women increase their options in the mating market. Men with increased options cause women to behave better. Women behaving better redounds to the benefit of families, and to society.
And by “behave better”, I mean the whole panoply of awful modern female behavior: cheating, cock carouseling, divorcing on a whim, eat pray loving, straycationing, spinstering, attention whoring, voting and fattening up into repulsive dirigibles.
Yep, he did slyly insert “voting” into all that. Sneaky!
So slut it up, fellas! It’s the only way to put those evil lady sluts in their place. And, thereby, save the world from sex-having, vote-casting slatterns.
Oh look feminist critics condemns women fighting back when they’re being harassed online. Lovely. I just lost all respect for that site, I thought it was one of the very few places online that debated feminism without turning into some MRA shitstorm.
Here’s the thing. Women are routinely harassed on the internet as we have seen in examples many times on posts David has made. No one gives a shit. No one defends these women except feminists, and we know how feminists are regarded on the internet. Lady Raine fought back and gave the fucker exactly what he dished out. No one else would have come to her aid otherwise. Posting his name and address might have been much, but I wonder if those feminist critics dudes think the same about register her? where is the debate on that?
I just love it when assholes whine when they get a taste of their own medicine. I don’t think many people expect women to fight back either. They just expect us to sit back and take it or try to get protection. Then when women do fight back they’re so scandalized that a woman dare call them out on their shit.
I never really intended to be this out though >_> Sometimes it gets to me, not like NWO calling me a guy or nething, that just makes me laugh xD But that I worry it changes the way ppl, like my friends, see me 🙁 But that’s also a lot of my own issues, (that’s why I said I worry, not that it necessarily does)… but esp lately when my dysphoria is high and my self esteem is low, I get all concerned about things like that…
However, I’m not upset that I am or nething… I mean I never hid it online, and if you noticed that I had a livejournal that saidi n the profile I’m trans, you’d know, but for awhile most ppl didn’t know Ami Angelwings was trans (even with the pictures 😀 ) but I came out in an essay where I wrote about differences and how identities are important to people and “we’re all the same inside” narratives from privileged groups can really wipe that out… and I mentioned I was trans (I had a friends head explode actually xD but luckily he calmed down and we’re friends again… he also thought it meant I was transitioning to male XD ) and since then it just kinda is known I’m trans… but I often get worried I start getting defined as “the trans girl” or stuff (esp w/ my job now, it’s IRL too, and I think it’s harder than I expected) 😐 or people who otherwise would go “wow she’s such a nifty geeky sports loving girl” will go “ahhh well that explains why you like sports” or something >_>
But neways, as I said, my own issues are prolly mostly at play there and knowing that there are asshats like that in society. I guess I worry subconsciously it affects my friends too >_>
*flails*
Neways 😀
I have no problem with promiscuous men, or women for that matter. We all like sex. What hacks me off about PUAs of Roissy’s ilk is the double standards and the “playing” of the other person.
If you have to psychologically manipulate or use deceptive methods into tricking someone into having sex with you, then you’ve proven yourself an irredeemable douchebag who is incapable of operating on their own merits.
I’ll save my Evo-Psych rant for another day. I’ve got a post-graduate degree in psychology and nothing makes me see red faster than when a scumbag tries to justify assholish behavior using Evo-Psych. I’m not denying that a lot of human behavior is a product of evolution, much like our physiology, but biology is not destiny.
Later, Zombie, later. Just breathe.
Scar | February 3, 2012 at 6:20 pm
@Ami: well I can’t help feel a little sad that you would think that having another profile where you simply never mentioned trans stuff would (from what I can gather) seem just as bad as pre-transition life.
Perhaps that will change in the future 🙂
I don’t think it will : Just cuz that means either I’d have to wipe the memories of everybody, or I’d need to make another profile that’s not Ami Angelwings (which was supposed to be the profile where nobody knew I’m trans XD ) and… I’m Ami Angelwings 😀
(srsly, ppl in Toronto have like seen me and went “POINT I KNOW YOU YOU’RE AMI ANGELWINGS AND YOU’RE AWESOME ONLINE” and I’m like O_O do I know you?)
I suppose that can be scary too… so far I have not gotten any “YOU’RE AMI ANGELWINGS AND YOU MADE MY HEAD EXPLODE WITH YOUR XDs AND NOW I’M HERE TO KILL YOU” though… o_o
@Cassandra
He’s said numerous times before that game will destroy feminism. How it will I have no idea. Women aint going back in the kitchen no matter how many times you neg them. Pump and dump all you want but know that there will always be men who want LTR’s and forcing them not too…well that just sounds like misandry to me 😛
@Quackers
no no no what he means is that GAMES will destroy feminism…
if we’re all too busy playing Terraria, or Magicka, or facebook games, or Warhammer, or Skyrim, etc… we can’t oppress men!
also is it just me but whenever these shits talk about the horrible wimminz voting and how bad it was to give us voting rights…does it not make you want to vote so bad? I wish there was an election right now so I can stick it to em haha
I bet you most of them don’t even vote xD
I mostly operate as if nobody knows I’m trans, but that they can find out if they looked for it (in this case I mentioned it on MBZ a long time ago, and for a while here most people still didn’t know, but eventually everybody knew.. it took NWO like a whole year to figure it out xD )
Like it’s not in my profile on my blog, and I don’t mention it on Escher Girls, but if you looked around you could prolly find it. xD It’s not a big secret, but nor do I think it’s relevant most of the time.
Redlocker, it’s actually Beta of the Month… my bad.
On the subject of separate trans identities… I don’t really have the option of going stealth in terms of walling off my legal name and hiding it from the world, so the most I can do is to keep the two somewhat segregated for now (and day to day, I’m only part-time at present, certainly for work). And I’m also the sort of person who goes into the city (population 3 million) and it’s rare that I don’t run into someone I know, so stealth is going to be rather unpossible in that way as well, unless I were to pull up roots and move somewhere obscure.
I wonder though…if PUA’s are projecting and their personal self loathing is what’s driving it (I don’t know these guys personally, so I’m just guessing), what can a person do to perhaps prevent guys with low self esteem from falling prey?
*and yes I know my previous remarks about Roissy are discordant with my desire to find a way to help.
“Redlocker, it’s actually Beta of the Month… my bad.”
Ah.
Still pathetic.
@Ami
Probably not…I think a lot of them are those pompous libertarian types (sorry zhinxy not you, you know the ones I’m talking about xD) that are all “well all politicians suck and they’re all out to get me so why bother” then when someone they don’t like is voted in the whine and stomp their feet and blame the women for voting them in.
One way I know we are still living in a patriarchy…or the remnants of a patriarchy, is that there are still men who question women’s right to vote. That essays are written asking if women voting ruined government. You never see men’s voting rights questioned. You never question if men are voting in war mongering politicians…nope. Men voting is just NATURAL. Women voting is just some special privilege granted to women from some dudes that felt sorry for us or something. It’s not a natural right like men’s right to vote.
You really want to know a way to get rid of feminism MRA and PUAs? maybe stop talking about taking away one of the first rights feminists fought for! maybe then you’ll convince more people and even feminists that its not needed anymore!
“I wonder though…if PUA’s are projecting and their personal self loathing is what’s driving it (I don’t know these guys personally, so I’m just guessing), what can a person do to perhaps prevent guys with low self esteem from falling prey?”
I guess it’s ultimately…personal? I mean, one can certainly suggest psychological help or seeing a counselor, but there seems to be a stigma to that sort of thing (from what I’ve observed/experienced. 🙁 ).
Quackers, I’ve seen posts blaming women for the Nazis being voted in.
@Pillowinhell
I wouldn’t even give them that much to be honest. In Roissy’s case anyway, I think he’s just a hateful, sadistic psychopath.
@Xanthe speaking purely online, I think it’d be impossible for me to make a 2nd identity and not mention I’m trans, even if I want to (and sometimes I feel like it might be easier for me to deal with when I feel crummy) b/c I’d want to post pictures of myself again because I need to show my awesome hats, my awesome blonde hair or my angelwings and etc and then if you recognize the photos you’d go “hey that’s Ami Angelwings!” xD
Ami, anything specific I say is probably patronizing and from a place of privilege, but I just think you’re pretty neat.
Like, you’re cool. And you’re trans. It’s like an aspect, but hardly everything.
Totally understand Scar’s point to keeps separate profiles. Some people feel better that way, regardless of the specific thing they’re keeping.
Ok, done chiming in as an outsider.
Neither of those is necessary.
Quackers, I’m really not into helping guys like Roissy. I don’t think there is help for them short of a near death experience. But sometimes I meet guys who are frustrated and bitter but haven’t hit the mysogeny yet. I know the solution would be different for each guy, I just wish I had a better understanding of how to help them before they hit PUA status. And often these guys think my fucking them is going to be the big game changer for them, since society keeps pushing the manly defined by sexual conquest theme.
@Vera awww thank you 😀 *hug*
I also get what Scar is saying too. I know plenty of ppl like that, and it’s prolly wiser xD But I can’t unpeel the orange, and I wouldn’t take it back neways… 😀
Dammit, forgot to close the tag. Hope I didn’t break things!
I guess the idea is that if you ruin women’s self esteem enough they won’t become feminists? He really is a repulsive creature. Also, if that’s the idea, given who PUAs target, surely they’d only be eliminating the super hot feminists?
RE stealth trans identities, I didn’t realize that Magdelyn was trans until the blowup on the other thread. I’ve never read her blog, just seen her comment here, and based on the photo she could be read in multiple different ways, in which case some people will assume cis and some will just address the person in the way they seem to prefer and not make any assumptions unless the person clarifies. But I think there’s a point about netiquette in there too. Like, I initially thought that Mags might be trans, but wasn’t sure, but it never occurred to me to go dig and find out because why would you do that? It doesn’t make any difference to the way I’d interect with her here, so why bother? Part of my issue with MRAs is that for a substantial percentage of them any time they don’t like what someone is saying they seem to immediately start digging, and I do think that’s aggressive, rude behavior intended to make people feel threatened.
So I get the urge to smack Roissy down about his looks given that he does it to others, and I think the woman whose pics he posted was justified in doing the same in return, but it does make me a bit uncomfortable to see anyone doing it to him in a more general sense, because we don’t like his ideas. And if we say “lol your ideas are a joke because you’re ugly” we’re actually playing into the same mindset that allows his ideas to flourish. Does that make sense? Not only is it bad netiquette, ultimately it seems counterproductive.
@pillowhell it’s really hard to say b/c ppl are so different, and sometimes I think it’s just about them being “ready”… like I don’t think there’s nething we can do to stop ppl with low self esteem doing all sorts of things that they might regret later, except just speak out about problematic stuff that might be seductive to them… but ultimately, I dun think there’s nething more we can do : At some point it’s going to have to be on them to get therapy, or realize that they’re unhappy with their life and need to talk about it, or make changes, or etc :