When is a slut not a slut? When he’s a dude. So says the (He)artist(e) formerly known as Roissy, in yet another post of his trying to prove that his brand of Pick-Up Assholery is fully proven by SCIENCE!
His evidence in this case? A recent study of speed dating that showed that (straight) women, in addition to being attracted to attractive men (duh!), also seem to be attracted to men with high “sociosexuality” ratings. “Sociosexuality,” for those not fully immersed in the SCIENCE!! of dating, is basically someone’s propensity for casual sex.
In other words, the study found that guys who do a lot of casual dating tended to do better at casual dating.
Heartiste/Roissy puts it this way:
Men who have high sociosexuality (HSS) are more attractive to women because the suite of characteristics associated with HSS suggest prior experience bedding women and possession of mating skills that attract women.
It’s akin to a form of preselection for men, minus the actual women he’s banging being physically present at his side to aid in the alpha judging process that all women, consciously or not, impose on their suitors.
In a very loose sense, high male sociosexuality is male sluttiness.
If you strip out the PUA nonsense about the “alpha judging process,” all this seems fairly self-evident, if not simply tautological. Guys who’ve been with a lot of women will probably do better with women in the future than guys with no experience who view women as strange alien creatures. (Note: In all this, we’re only talking about straight people; PUAs don’t seem aware that gay people exist, outside of their own fantasies of hot bi girl threesomes.)
It’s at this point that Heartiste/Roissy amps up the assholery:
Male sluttiness is not equivalent to female sluttiness. It is more difficult for a man to be slutty that it is for a woman owing to the discrepancy in worth between sperm and egg, so people justifiably perceive male sluts to have higher quality mate value, and higher quality mating skills, than female sluts for whom the act of sexual conquest is merely synonym for being easy.
In other words, it’s bad to be a female slut, but great to be a male slut:
[T]he study results confirm the validity of game when its conclusions find that male sociosexuality is a relatively powerful predictor of attractiveness to women, even to women looking for long-term relationships.
Not only can this SCIENCE!! of game help to get dudes laid – it can basically save the world from evil fat chicks.
It’s vital to readers to get this scientific information validating game out there, because there are a lot of doubters and haters who are blinded by what they won’t see. Sometimes, men need to know that there is an experimental foundation supporting all these seduction techniques and peculiarities of female behavior. It’s not necessary to know this stuff to start gaming chicks out in the field right now, but for men with a cynical bent or shy disposition, it helps to know that there are rules that govern human interaction. It may be the boost they need.
Turning former nerds into wily lotharios will help to put those uppity female sluts in their place:
[A] moment of candor. This blog is first and foremost a source of self-amusement, but it is also a true and real desire to teach and to see men succeed sexually and emotionally with women. Men who become better at attracting women increase their options in the mating market. Men with increased options cause women to behave better. Women behaving better redounds to the benefit of families, and to society.
And by “behave better”, I mean the whole panoply of awful modern female behavior: cheating, cock carouseling, divorcing on a whim, eat pray loving, straycationing, spinstering, attention whoring, voting and fattening up into repulsive dirigibles.
Yep, he did slyly insert “voting” into all that. Sneaky!
So slut it up, fellas! It’s the only way to put those evil lady sluts in their place. And, thereby, save the world from sex-having, vote-casting slatterns.
I get what people are saying about him just being normal looking. Is that not what the point of THIS IS WHAT A FEMINIST LOOKS LIKE was all about though? Although it always irritated me that the other side of the message got lost, namely even if we do look like your cartoon stereotypical Milly Tant hairy-legged unfeminine feminist, so what?!?
I hate to quote someone who stands for everything I utterly despise, but Margaret Thatcher has a particularly apt quotation: “I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.”
Urgh, I feel dirty now, but it’s so true!
I wouldn’t put it past them to threaten to get the kid into trouble with school, parents, etc either. Plus these guys are cowards, and really attractive adults can be intimidating if they also have confidence and good social skills. I think if, let’s say Jessica Alba since someone mentioned her upthread, actually spoke to Roissy he’d pee his pants in sheer terror.
Exactly, they have control over the girl and can leverage that control.
In sports, league rules allow teams to control players up to a certain age (i.e. the player cannot sign with another team unless you let them, otherwise even if they don’t have a contract, they are under “your control”)… in real life dating, stuff like what you mentioned above, being able to threaten them with telling parents, schools, etc allows these creepoids to maintain control… >:|
And exactly, again, attractive adults are intimidating, and they have more independence and experience and money, so you actually have to relate to them as another person rather than as somebody with a huge advantage. They would never feel like they could compete on “the free market” (the way small market teams can’t in baseball) so they target somebody really young and groom and control them so they can get that attractive adult after a few years -_-
. Is that not what the point of THIS IS WHAT A FEMINIST LOOKS LIKE was all about though?
I always hated that campaign when it’s used as “we’re not all ugly, hairy and butch!”
I DID like that campaign when it’s used as “a feminist can look like anybody and be anybody, it’s what you care about and believe, not what you look like”
I totally understand the objection to posting his pics, and that we should be the better person and you guys are better people than me here I admit it xD but to be honest….I think he looks like a fugly, greasy serial killer. His beady little eyes are so soulless, though that’s not surprising in the least. I’m sorry, but Roissy is one of the biggest douchebags on the internet and he deserves a little of the same shit that he’s always dishing out to feminists, fat people, gorgeous women etc. All are pics he’s posted or linked to and trashed on his blog so serves him right. His latest post is trashing an aesexual and her “beta” boyfriend. He calls her selfish and abnormal and his followers are leaving comments like “I’d ransack that tasty little tart” fucking vile. He deserves what he gets.
Besides, his pics would have never been revealed if it weren’t for the whole Lady Raine thing. He hit first- insinuated she was a porn star and posted pics of her kids. He hit first, she hit back. Fair is fair.
Lol @ him trying so hard to look young too. I thought part of his manifesto is that only women look ugly when they age, with men you can age to 90 and 18 year olds will still fuck you!
“He (is OzyMRAndias a he?) means “more than anything else”/”above all else”
I.e. that “pussy witness matters more than anything””
Ah. Well, PUA certainly isn’t the way to go, then. 😉
I think Ami is probably fine as long as her pics etc don’t link to her full legal name. I also think she’s smart enough to figure out what works for her, safety wise. But honestly, on the internet you have to just kind of accept that sufficiently determined and tech savvy people can find anything no matter how hard you try to conceal it. If you piss off Anonymous, they’ll find and post those embarrassing pics from when you were 14. Which doesn’t mean that people who do so like that dude did with Pecunium in the other thread aren’t assholes, because it’s intended to scare people, but if you’re on the internet you should already be aware that it can happen. If you’re a decent person with good netiquette you don’t do that stuff, but if Anon really want to find your social security number, they can. I think Ami is smart enough to understand all this and is basically just asking that people here use good netiquette.
@Quackers Roissy def has an issue with age. Me and Zhinxy have talked about this a bit, and he projects a LOT. He also is afraid of growing old and it’s HE who is the one who thinks his value as a person is running out of time really : (also he’s still stuck int he past… he thinks Gilmore Girls is still the hit show on TV that women watch)
Well, I was going to write about the ethics of a guy who used Word Press for months on end to attack a woman, “libeled her by saying she was a hooker and a drug addict” [quote], and was only motivated to take down the posts which attacked her when she retaliated by outing him… but instead, let’s take apart his most recent post, part of his regular “Beta of the Week” feature! The artiste whom we will not name doesn’t like asexuals! (He is
attackingquoting an article from the BBC.)On with the negging, you’ve got to stick the boot in immediately:
Next up to be negged is Jenni’s boyfriend Tim, who isn’t asexual, but clearly viewed as beta material:
No linky, you know where to find more of this crap.
CassandraSays | February 3, 2012 at 6:05 pm
I think Ami is probably fine as long as her pics etc don’t link to her full legal name. I also think she’s smart enough to figure out what works for her, safety wise. But honestly, on the internet you have to just kind of accept that sufficiently determined and tech savvy people can find anything no matter how hard you try to conceal it. If you piss off Anonymous, they’ll find and post those embarrassing pics from when you were 14. Which doesn’t mean that people who do so like that dude did with Pecunium in the other thread aren’t assholes, because it’s intended to scare people, but if you’re on the internet you should already be aware that it can happen. If you’re a decent person with good netiquette you don’t do that stuff, but if Anon really want to find your social security number, they can. I think Ami is smart enough to understand all this and is basically just asking that people here use good netiquette.
Thank you Cassandra 🙂 And yeah, my legal name is not connected to Ami Angelwings… and yeah if ppl REALLY want to find stuff to hurt you, they find ways to do it.
We’ve probably moved on, but, ultimately, we’re not Batman here (as awesome as that would be). Roissy did a douchey thing, and he already got his…somehow. Continuing it further at this point would be unwise.
Honestly, I think we we’re doing better when we just mocking his ideas, and I second Holly’s statement in that it’s the IDEAS that ultimately make him ugly. I mean, shit, I’m not a Hollywood looker myself, and I can see that
@Ami
Yeah, he’s definitely having a mid life crisis of some sort. Usually that’s something people can sympathize with and understand, but he practically advocates rape and taking away women’s right to vote. His own insecurities doesn’t excuse the trash that comes from his mouth.
Not saying you’re saying it does btw 🙂 I’m sure some concern trolls would try to put forth that assertion though…
About the THIS IS WHAT A FEMINIST LOOKS LIKE campaign, the cynical part of me thinks that having, say, Ashley Judd wear those shirts is great PR and does have an actual practical use in terms of how the mainstream sees feminism. The more idealistic part of me feels like this is throwing less conventionally attractive people under the bus, and potentially divisive. So I dunno – on a Machiavellian level presenting images of hot feminists does yield some short term gains, but it’s also not very in keeping with our deeper goals and convictions.
@ Ami
There’s definitely some grooming going on. Some of these guys do eventually want a long term partner, much as they try to hide it, and if they want one who’s super hot, the most effective way to do that is catch her before she herself is aware of that and the social power that it gives her.
Of course what they don’t realize is that she can still leave them later.
@Ami, exactly! That should be the point, that we’re all just regular people and not big scary monsters.
@Xanthe: I dunno which is worse…the content of the blog post or the fact that Roissy actually dedicates himself to writing a “Beta of the Week” collumn every week.
Please tell me he hasn’t been actually doing a “Beta of the Week” all this time…that is pathethic on a grand scale.
Misspelled pathetic, but yeah…ugh.
How on earth would my non-trans profile not be me?
I am a complete and whole person before you even take the ‘trans’ bit into consideration.
Of course what they don’t realize is that she can still leave them later.
I think they do realize that : And I think that’s when it could get really scary… remember, the whole point of PUA stuff is that in any social interaction and relationship, somebody has to be on top and somebody on the bottom… negs are about breaking down somebody’s self esteem…
And I think pretty much ALL of them really want a long term partner, they just are scared of being in an equal relationship :
I think it’s worth digging into how nasty Roissy is to other men a bit. Obviously his attitude to women is appalling, but his attitude towards men is pretty shitty too.
Scar | February 3, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Also, I don’t like having multiple identities that aren’t me. That’s what I did for 20 years of my life and I’m not doing that again. -_-
How on earth would my non-trans profile not be me?
I am a complete and whole person before you even take the ‘trans’ bit into consideration.
I actually had a line that said I wasn’t speaking for nebody but how I felt, but I took it out b/c I thought it was self-evident xD
Neways, I wasn’t saying anything about you Scar..
I was saying for myself, that’s how I feel… my experiences are different than yours, and I just can’t do that, and that’s how I see it for myself… it’s not how I see it for others, but it’s how I see it for myself and I couldn’t do that :
I’m guessing that if the hot wife later leaves them, that’s where MRAs come from.
But to be more serious, yeah, Roissy’s crap is basically grooming the men to be abusive husbands later in life.
I like being connected everywhere neways 🙂
@Ami: well I can’t help feel a little sad that you would think that having another profile where you simply never mentioned trans stuff would (from what I can gather) seem just as bad as pre-transition life.
Perhaps that will change in the future 🙂
Roissy’s whole deal doesn’t seem to be about sex at all, really. He’s trying to use Game as a mechanism of social control, as he admits himself. I know some guys who are, for lack of a better word, what Roissy would call slutty if they were women, but they’re nothing like him – they’re actually doing it for the sex. With Roissy et al they don’t seem to even enjoy the sex, really – it’s all about control and scoring points. I think relationships in which they’re in control of a woman who’s been bullied into self-loathing submission is the end goal.
And, yeah, the whole putting emphasis on physical appearance aspects of This Is What A Feminist Looks like really bothered me as well. I appreciated the original message was “Hey, we’re normal people. We’re not monsters. We probably work with you, are friends with you, are related to you.” which is great. But over time, unfortunately it seemed to be more “Hey, some feminists are hot! We’re not all bad!”
I just thought “But even if someone who identifies as feminist does look like the lazy stereotypes, so what?” The point should be it doesn’t matter what a feminist looks like, it should be what they say.