When is a slut not a slut? When he’s a dude. So says the (He)artist(e) formerly known as Roissy, in yet another post of his trying to prove that his brand of Pick-Up Assholery is fully proven by SCIENCE!
His evidence in this case? A recent study of speed dating that showed that (straight) women, in addition to being attracted to attractive men (duh!), also seem to be attracted to men with high “sociosexuality” ratings. “Sociosexuality,” for those not fully immersed in the SCIENCE!! of dating, is basically someone’s propensity for casual sex.
In other words, the study found that guys who do a lot of casual dating tended to do better at casual dating.
Heartiste/Roissy puts it this way:
Men who have high sociosexuality (HSS) are more attractive to women because the suite of characteristics associated with HSS suggest prior experience bedding women and possession of mating skills that attract women.
It’s akin to a form of preselection for men, minus the actual women he’s banging being physically present at his side to aid in the alpha judging process that all women, consciously or not, impose on their suitors.
In a very loose sense, high male sociosexuality is male sluttiness.
If you strip out the PUA nonsense about the “alpha judging process,” all this seems fairly self-evident, if not simply tautological. Guys who’ve been with a lot of women will probably do better with women in the future than guys with no experience who view women as strange alien creatures. (Note: In all this, we’re only talking about straight people; PUAs don’t seem aware that gay people exist, outside of their own fantasies of hot bi girl threesomes.)
It’s at this point that Heartiste/Roissy amps up the assholery:
Male sluttiness is not equivalent to female sluttiness. It is more difficult for a man to be slutty that it is for a woman owing to the discrepancy in worth between sperm and egg, so people justifiably perceive male sluts to have higher quality mate value, and higher quality mating skills, than female sluts for whom the act of sexual conquest is merely synonym for being easy.
In other words, it’s bad to be a female slut, but great to be a male slut:
[T]he study results confirm the validity of game when its conclusions find that male sociosexuality is a relatively powerful predictor of attractiveness to women, even to women looking for long-term relationships.
Not only can this SCIENCE!! of game help to get dudes laid – it can basically save the world from evil fat chicks.
It’s vital to readers to get this scientific information validating game out there, because there are a lot of doubters and haters who are blinded by what they won’t see. Sometimes, men need to know that there is an experimental foundation supporting all these seduction techniques and peculiarities of female behavior. It’s not necessary to know this stuff to start gaming chicks out in the field right now, but for men with a cynical bent or shy disposition, it helps to know that there are rules that govern human interaction. It may be the boost they need.
Turning former nerds into wily lotharios will help to put those uppity female sluts in their place:
[A] moment of candor. This blog is first and foremost a source of self-amusement, but it is also a true and real desire to teach and to see men succeed sexually and emotionally with women. Men who become better at attracting women increase their options in the mating market. Men with increased options cause women to behave better. Women behaving better redounds to the benefit of families, and to society.
And by “behave better”, I mean the whole panoply of awful modern female behavior: cheating, cock carouseling, divorcing on a whim, eat pray loving, straycationing, spinstering, attention whoring, voting and fattening up into repulsive dirigibles.
Yep, he did slyly insert “voting” into all that. Sneaky!
So slut it up, fellas! It’s the only way to put those evil lady sluts in their place. And, thereby, save the world from sex-having, vote-casting slatterns.
I’m starting to find Roissy really boring for some reason… PUAs in general… xD The MRAs are right, they’re not the same, PUAs actually are kinda oddly consistent (and thus eventually they’re just saying the same things) but the MRAs come up with better and better and more and more irrational conspiracy theories and plans and rebel analogies every day xD And they contradict each other like every other day…
pillowinhell | February 3, 2012 at 4:58 pm
I can see your point Ozzy, but really if he’s going to sell this toxic shit, I think he should have what it takes to back it up. I’m not expecting the guy to look like Adonis, but he needs an image upgrade.
But he talks about this stuff in the generic right? Has he trolled for pictures of other people and then said XYZ about them specifically? (I don’t know, I don’t read him outside of David linking him xD )
I think some of the MRA contradiction stems from the fact that some of the men want the idealized victorian moderately well off maiden and the others just want women to stop being human…at all.
Halite: You have to understand (and I am saddened by just how well I’ve managed to understand the mindset… I blame the Army teaching me to be more effectively empathetic). that Men can become Alpha (or at least a Greater Beta), but carefully applying, “Game Theory” to their lives.
A “True Alpha” is, of course, lucky enough to be born that way, but any man who is willing to apply himself can make up for it. Money/Power, of course, are the easiest ways (see, Kissinger, Henry), but being good looking is often enough to make up for having the proper psychological insights.
At that point the shallowness of women will cause them to not see that you aren’t really Alpha, and the “hamster” will convince them (temporarily) that they should try to steal your sperm, in the mistaken idea that they will get good spawn.
But to make it out of Beta-dom they need Game. Game is the great equaliser, which can lift anyone up about one level from their sad and sorry status. An Omega will never be able to be better than a Lesser Beta, living on the pity of Alphas and Betas, who, out of charity, will sometimes send their discarded cast-offs to the poor, deluded, souls. Their sheer determination to get out of the pit of despair is, sometimes, enough to keep them from living the life of monastic marriage to Rosie that is their usual lot.
Their only other option is to take the abusive offerings of the Lesser Beta women who are only willing to sleep with them because they can no longer trick Alphas and Greater Betas into slipping them the sausage.
That or the Omega Skanks, who were never able to get the quality cock of the Greater Beta/True Alpha. If they are willing to do that, they are too pathetic to more than mock. Because it’s better to be bitter and abstinent than to stick your dick into anything less than a Beta woman (and only if you have them as pump and dump, or in the booty-call rolodex).
Of course women, can’t ever make it to Alpha. If they are Alpha, they are. If they aren’t, there is not amount of refusing to put out which can make up for it. If they sleep with a Lesser Beta, or an Omega, they are hopelessly corrupted,and if they tell an Alpha (or even a Greater Beta) they aren’t interested, it just proves they are overestimating their Sexual Market Value.
Either way, I don’t believe in “they started it”, esp if it comes to respecting others…
like Elam has no problem trolling locked forums, finding out real identities, encouraging people to harass ppl irl, etc etc
but I’d never advocate or support anything like that towards him… -_-
Ami – Roissy used to (probably still does, I’m too lazy to check) run an ongoing thread where guys posted up pictures of women and gave their HB number ratings.
Of course it quickly turned into a one-upmanship game of “Jessica Alba has an asymmetrical face and her knees are far too big, she is beneath my standards, I give her a 6 at most.”
Until I remember “this is the same guy who advises men to do ‘rape play’ without getting their partner’s consent,” then he’s the ugliest goddamn motherfucker I’ve ever seen.
Exactly >:
He’s ugly regardless of what he looks like b/c of what he stands for, and who he is, not his appearance.
Yes a low blow, Ami, but a Google images search for “Roissy” doesn’t just turn up photos of Roissy-Charles de Gaulle airport… the photos are out there, whether he likes it or not. And Château Heartiste isn’t exactly a blog of innocent merriment. (Another photo is hosted on Rooshv’s forum, which I won’t link to.)
Holly Pervocracy | February 3, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Ami – Roissy used to (probably still does, I’m too lazy to check) run an ongoing thread where guys posted up pictures of women and gave their HB number ratings.
Of course it quickly turned into a one-upmanship game of “Jessica Alba has an asymmetrical face and her knees are far too big, she is beneath my standards, I give her a 6 at most.”
I wonder how many guys he’s screwed up with this, where they start feeling like no girl they’d date would ever be good enough, and therefore THEY are never good enough..
so much of PUA/MRA crap seems to be really low-self-esteem guys putting their self-worth in the looks of the women they can sleep with… -_-
Xanthe | February 3, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Yes a low blow, Ami, but a Google images search for “Roissy” doesn’t just turn up photos of Roissy-Charles de Gaulle airport… the photos are out there, whether he likes it or not. And Château Heartiste isn’t exactly a blog of innocent merriment. (Another photo is hosted on Rooshv’s forum, which I won’t link to.)
So?
Ami: http://www.feministcritics.org/blog/2010/01/19/roissy-and-raine-make-a-right-rp/ He has reposted women’s pictures, yeah.
My photos are out there too if you google Ami Angelwings. -_o
@ozy that’s pretty terrible of him >_< It doesn't surprise me that he'd do crap like that tho -_-
Ami’s right, though, that what he’s done shouldn’t matter. We need to have our own ethical standards. If we played “tit for tat” with Elam we’d get into some scary, scary territory.
However, I think linking to pictures that someone has posted publicly themselves is fair game. The only thing that wouldn’t be cool is if the pictures were private and they got “leaked.”
Ami, like I said, I see where you are coming from. But the shit he spreads around…that affects every woman. I’m not tearing him down, I’m just noting that he’s a pretty normal looking guy.
The fact that he hasn’t personally trolled my pics and posted them up means little when I have to deal with men who think like he does…and there are many such men. I just happened to hit an age where I’ve become invisible to most of them. That being said, I will not be looking for further photos.
Holly: AFAIK most of roissy’s public pics were leaked by Lady Raine as revenge for posting pictures of herself and her child on his blog.
pillowinhell | February 3, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Ami, like I said, I see where you are coming from. But the shit he spreads around…that affects every woman. I’m not tearing him down, I’m just noting that he’s a pretty normal looking guy.
And the shit he spreads around should be opposed. I don’t understand how what he looks like matters. What if he looked ripped and like he could be in movies?
What if Roissy was really really conventionally hot? Are his points more salient then?
Efas google searched and found Pecunium’s picture and posted it to go “you don’t look tough, so therefore you have no credibility to be talking about strength, survival, etc”
Posting Roissy to prove that he’s not hot thing, and therefore he shouldn’t have credibility for his big talk on PUAness seems similar to me. :
So Roissy thinks that if men are just successful enough at getting women into bed then women will spontaneously stop voting? He’s a curious creature, for sure.
On Holly’s point about the numbers, this is part of why they focus on really young women. Where would Roissy find a woman his age with a suitably low number of sexual partners, who was also super hot and conventionally so in the way that he favors (groomed and made up to shooting a movie levels)? No, if they want women with little to no sexual experience, they need them to be young. But wait! Once those women have had a few rounds on the PUA cock carousel, they’d be sluts, and thus unsuitable for relationships. Which is fine for PUA’s since they (delusionally) believe that there will always be a new crop of 18 year olds to practise negging on, but what about the young men who actually want relationships? Now the PUA’s have rendered the women their age unsuitable for dating (more than 1 or 2 sexual partners…go with me here, we’re in PUA logic land now), so I guess those young guys are just out of luck. No suitable women to date, so I guess they’ll have to just become PUAs and continue the cycle until all women have been magically persuaded of the error of their ways, at some undefined point in the future. Also, profit!
They really must be having awful sex (agreeing with Holly again), and have never had good sex, to think that inexperienced partners are a plus. Given the kind of sex they seem to be having a Fleshlight would make a perfectly acceptable substitute on a sensory level if they weren’t so obsessed with using sex to prove dominance over women.
And her child? It wouldn’t be at all okay if it was just her, but that’s a special kind of despicable.
However, I completely agree with Ozy, Holly and Ami; attacking pictures of him online, especially ones he didn’t publicly post himself, is deeply unethical.
Viscaria: Yep. Roissy is an ASSHOLE.
Amy I just finished reading his market value assessment for men. I’m also aware of other PUA sites that stress the importance of looking well put together at all times, because they are always approaching women. According to his own rules…he’s a not going to achieve his goals and he’s wearing very generic clothes when he could be a little better dressed. Maybe those pics were taken at off times, but by his own rules, he should be ready for game. Its kinda like expecting that an expert in the field of geology to have appropriate credentials.
@CassandraSays I think that aside from wanting somebody less experienced (in life and love) and easily manipulable, it’s also because they are so insecure about htemselves and being with somebody they can impress with having a car (and control b/c then the person needs them to get back home, etc) and where they have all sorts of advantages over (like financial) makes them feel like they’d be more confident, and more “alpha” and whatever things they want to feel. >__>
It’s scary that I’m applying this to dating and women but I think that’s also why they’re obsessed with youth :
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