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When is a slut not a slut? When he’s a dude.

I did a search for PUA and this showed up. So, fuck it, I'm going with it.

When is a slut not a slut? When he’s a dude. So says the (He)artist(e) formerly known as Roissy, in yet another post of his trying to prove that his brand of Pick-Up Assholery is fully proven by SCIENCE!

His evidence in this case? A recent study of speed dating that showed that (straight) women, in addition to being attracted to attractive men (duh!), also seem to be attracted to men with high “sociosexuality” ratings. “Sociosexuality,” for those not fully immersed in the SCIENCE!! of dating, is basically someone’s propensity for casual sex.

In other words, the study found that guys who do a lot of casual dating tended to do better at casual dating.

Heartiste/Roissy puts it this way:

Men who have high sociosexuality (HSS) are more attractive to women because the suite of characteristics associated with HSS suggest prior experience bedding women and possession of mating skills that attract women.

It’s akin to a form of preselection for men, minus the actual women he’s banging being physically present at his side to aid in the alpha judging process that all women, consciously or not, impose on their suitors.

In a very loose sense, high male sociosexuality is male sluttiness.

If you strip out the PUA nonsense about the “alpha judging process,” all this seems fairly self-evident, if not simply tautological. Guys who’ve been with a lot of women will probably do better with women in the future than guys with no experience who view women as strange alien creatures. (Note: In all this, we’re only talking about straight people; PUAs don’t seem aware that gay people exist, outside of their own fantasies of hot bi girl threesomes.)

It’s at this point that Heartiste/Roissy amps up the assholery:

Male sluttiness is not equivalent to female sluttiness. It is more difficult for a man to be slutty that it is for a woman owing to the discrepancy in worth between sperm and egg, so people justifiably perceive male sluts to have higher quality mate value, and higher quality mating skills, than female sluts for whom the act of sexual conquest is merely synonym for being easy.

In other words, it’s bad to be a female slut, but great to be a male slut:

[T]he study results confirm the validity of game when its conclusions find that male sociosexuality is a relatively powerful predictor of attractiveness to women, even to women looking for long-term relationships.

Not only can this SCIENCE!! of game help to get dudes laid – it can basically save the world from evil fat chicks.

It’s vital to readers to get this scientific information validating game out there, because there are a lot of doubters and haters who are blinded by what they won’t see. Sometimes, men need to know that there is an experimental foundation supporting all these seduction techniques and peculiarities of female behavior. It’s not necessary to know this stuff to start gaming chicks out in the field right now, but for men with a cynical bent or shy disposition, it helps to know that there are rules that govern human interaction. It may be the boost they need.

Turning former nerds into wily lotharios will help to put those uppity female sluts in their place:

[A] moment of candor. This blog is first and foremost a source of self-amusement, but it is also a true and real desire to teach and to see men succeed sexually and emotionally with women. Men who become better at attracting women increase their options in the mating market. Men with increased options cause women to behave better. Women behaving better redounds to the benefit of families, and to society.

And by “behave better”, I mean the whole panoply of awful modern female behavior: cheating, cock carouseling, divorcing on a whim, eat pray loving, straycationing, spinstering, attention whoring, voting and fattening up into repulsive dirigibles.

Yep, he did slyly insert “voting” into all that. Sneaky!

So slut it up, fellas! It’s the only way to put those evil lady sluts in their place. And, thereby, save the world from sex-having, vote-casting slatterns.

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Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

A guy I dated once, on our last date, started talking about how “white men have it worst in our society” and that “if a white man goes up against a black woman in court, he always loses” and female privilege, male oppression, etc etc… (looking back, knowing what I know now about MRAs, it shouldn’t surprise me he also was massively obsessed with chivalry, wouldn’t let me pay for ANYTHING, he’d go behind my back to pay for stuff, like if I went to the washroom during dinner despite me saying we’re going dutch, and would kill himself trying to get to the other side of the car to open the door before I could get to the lock)

It was pretty WTF >_<

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

@Aurora no : But I haven’t been active on every thread. But so far I haven’t seen a thing from him, Irene or Mellertron. -_-

Bostonian
13 years ago

My oldest does not like coconut by itself. She does like coconut mixed with chocolate, like when I use the extra virgin coconut oil in chocolate cake.

captainbathrobe
13 years ago

It was kind of like arguing with a drunken frat boy–lots of shouting and posturing, but not much else.

Jenn93
Jenn93
13 years ago

“It’s hard to even begin engaging with that level of delusional bubble thinking.”

I imagine it as some serious denial based mental gymnastics.

Jenn93
Jenn93
13 years ago

@Ami Angelwings

Yah, I knew someone like that. Whenever I would point out how their view doesn’t make sense he would just talk over me and interrupt me so I couldn’t get a word in. It’s exhausting trying to make it work with someone like that.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
13 years ago

@CassandraSays:

You can play online! http://www.gokgs.com/applet.jsp It requires java installed, but it usually is. You can log in as a guest, and then register the name you choose for free if you want. It will even keep track of your ranking and keep a record of your games. ^_^

CassandraSays
13 years ago

@ Ami

Did he include Asian people in his rant too, or was he not quite THAT idiotic?

For sheer date-related WTF it’s hard to beat the one dude who went on a rant about how China is going to reclaim its former role as an empire with colonies and everything (his father was a Chinese government higher-up of some sort), and how he couldn’t understand how my country (ie Britain) had allowed its empire to be taken away from it, complete with particularly awkward section during which I tried to explain why most younger Brits don’t really want to rebuild the British Empire, and then cautiously went “so, about rebuilding the British empire…um…Hong Kong too?”.

Sometimes I miss the years when I was dating a lot just because of the sheer hilarious weirdness that can happen when your date turns out to be demented.

captainbathrobe
13 years ago

So, anyway…Kirby! How the hell are you?

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
13 years ago

Well…I tried crying for a computer in front of Beloved….he’s not buying. Says I’ll just have to go over and use his.

Jenn93
Jenn93
13 years ago

“white men have it worst in our society”

In other words, “I can’t say whatever the hell I want about any other race without getting called on it”

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
13 years ago

@Jenn93:

A bit like our newest in-house troll actually… And some other people I know more personally… -_-

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Bostonian, are you coming for SXSW?

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

@Cassandra no he LIKED Asian ppl… esp Asian women >_> But he was never overtly creepy with me, he just liked seeing himself as the cultured white d00d who is “Chinese inside” -_-

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
13 years ago

@captainbathrobe:

Gettin better and better! After some brief mental issues (which, as it turns out, aren’t really mental issues but family ones), I am now more comfortable, more confident, and slowly getting better control of my life. ^_^

Takin classes, going to Go club, going to D&D games at my dorm… Life is pretty nice right now.

Jenn93
Jenn93
13 years ago

It’s kind of a let down because a lot of those people tend to be decent in other areas of life. It’s not like they wear a sign or anything….except this guy:

http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/91/25387e0a45959193f9ceb377173319e5/l.jpg

Personally, I prefer to know ahead of time that the guy who wants to talk to me is an asswipe.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Cassandra, dating weirdness stories are the best.

captainbathrobe
13 years ago

I don’t miss the dating scene at all. I hope I never have to go back.

Jenn93
Jenn93
13 years ago

“he just liked seeing himself as the cultured white d00d who is “Chinese inside” -_-”

*facepalm*

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

yay 😀

*hugs Kirby* 🙂

i wish i was there with you 🙁

CassandraSays
13 years ago

Oh man, I love it when white people say they’re “(other ethnicity) inside”. Truly, tis the mark of the clueless asshole.

Jenn93
Jenn93
13 years ago

“he just liked seeing himself as the cultured white d00d who is “Chinese inside” -_-”

*facepalm*

Actually, what would be really funny if you glared at him and said “I’m Japanese” just for the reaction.

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

The sad part is that he dumped me for being trans when I had just opened my mouth to say it wasn’t going to work (b/c of his whole “I’M SO OPPRESSED AS A WHITE GUY” thing) xD (he wasn’t transphobic, he just wanted sex NOW)

CassandraSays
13 years ago

@ Jenn

How old is that guy, and where are his parents (yes, I am officially an olds)? I really prefer not to see adolescents openly referencing their genitalia, even if it’s not in crass tshirt form.

captainbathrobe
13 years ago

Glad to hear it, Kirb. I think the line between family and mental issues is not always well defined, as one can dramatically affect the other. Still, glad to hear things are looking up. We missed you around here. 🙂

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