A startling new development on the frontiers of anti-male oppression. According to the loquacious lady MRA known as girlwriteswhat on Reddit, men are being oppressed by evil feminist dudes cruelly clamping down on their right to bitch about ladies in the bathroom. In a recent comment she writes:
No space is allowed to be male-only, or male-viewpoint-only, but women insist on female-only or female-viewpoint-only spaces all the time.
The only male safe space left on the planet is the men’s bathroom, ffs. And even then, there will be feminist-leaning men policing what is said. It’s very frustrating.
As a dude feminist who is a regular user of men’s restrooms, I should note that dudes do not actually talk in restrooms.
Happily, this does not prevent me, as a dude feminist, from policing the non-existent speech of other dudes in said restrooms.
Here is the complete transcript of a restroom discussion I recently policed:
Dude One: [silently urinates]
Dude Two: [silently urinates]
Dude Three: [silently poops]
Me: Goddessdamnit, keep it down with all your lady-bashing! Men are bad!
Always glad to help.
HT to Shit Reddit Says, which has just ended its month-long moratorium on r/mensrights posts, for pointing me to girlwriteswhat’s observation.
VR women more like VR Troopers
The unspeakable horror….of having the same rights as men.
@Sharculese
Last week GWW wrote a length justification for her political point of view:
http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/why-i-advocate-for-mens-rights/
You don’t know what you are talking about.
Does anyone know what AntZ is referring to re: GirlWritesWhat’s history? I feel uncomfortable with us making light of it without knowing what it is.
Zarat: “GWW endured unspeakable horrors and emerged with the integrity and honesty to see feminist injustice for what it is. It is remarkable in the extreme that she champions men’s rights.”
What’s remarkable to me is that she considers herself an MRM even after acknowledging the amount of misogyny in the MRN and horrible things they say about rape.
http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/why-i-advocate-for-mens-rights/
“It gets tiresome. It gets disheartening. It gets burdensome. It even gets a little scary sometimes, when I realize just how angry some of these men are”
“I believe feminism’s elevation of rape-victim status to a bizarre combination of almost religious idolatry and kid-glove handling harms women in very insidious ways. But at the same time, the way some in the MRM talk about rape…well, it upsets me”
But I’m having a hard time believing it upsets her that much when she continues to associate herself with Paul “I would acquit an accused rapist even in the face of overwhelming evidence that the guy did it” Elam. If she really cares about men’s issues at all, she’d stay far from nutjobs like him.
Okay, I read that. She has my full sympathy regarding what she’s gone through, I still don’t see why she’s in the MRM, and why she made as astoundingly stupid a statement as the one David quoted.
caught me. not knowing the origin story of every whiny paranoid loser on the internet is my secret shame.
having read her story, i’ll change it to being gullible and bad with words is not a horror either. who would have known?
I have a lot of sympathy for her, after reading that article, and I admire her for being able to admit the injustice of a situation even though it benefits her. I still think that sentence she wrote above was kinda stupid. 🙂
Many people have endured unspeakable horrors. Enduring and surviving, while admirable, does not make their future positions correct. GWW seems unable to acknowledge the significance of the misogyny she herself has experienced in the MRM.
OK, having read her story, I’ll stand by my earlier thoughts about the only girl in the clubhouse. She pretty much said she’s one of those “I’ve always been friends with men because they understand me and women are catty” types. Those women are a huge red flag for me. YMMV.
Oh snap! Girls write what caught me kicking ass cause the boys were speaking out against feminism! Then I sent my brother in to scold them for shameful behavior. What? Seriously….
I think I read her history, but I’m not certain… If I’m thinking of the same person Zarat is, then yes, she went through hell and advocates for men. Think I’ll check it out…
AntZ, it’s very sad that GWW had a rough life. However, that doesn’t mean that she was right when she said there are no places for men besides men’s restrooms. What if she said 2+2=8? Would you say that her personal history makes that true, or would you admit she made an incorrect statement? Cloudiah was right that a lot of people have survived terrible things in life. They don’t get a free pass to say whatever they want without criticism, though.
@Hellkell you should also note that she has also had bad experiences with men as well.
I would say that she would basically be a complete misanthrope since i have bad social experiences with both men and women.
I just don’t trust either of them.
@ozymandias42
“I admire her for being able to admit the injustice of a situation even though it benefits her.”
I don’t think that I would ever be able to champion women’s rights, if women’s rights were independent of men’s rights. Even now, I find it difficult to actually “feel” the pain of women who are wounded by “presumption of nurturer”.
Intellectually, I know that the bigotry that fathers experience in family court cuts both ways. Women find it very difficult to compete at the very highest levels of achievement in business, science, and politics because of the expectation that they are nurturers. For example, women who pursue public office have to come up with a “cover story” explaining why their children will not be neglected.
Ultimately, GWW is probably just a better person than me. I am OK with that, because she is also soooo much better than anyone on the boobz brigade.
” “I’ve always been friends with men because they understand me and women are catty” types. Those women are a huge red flag for me. YMMV.”
Enormous red flag.
Hmm… left out of the story at the good men project was whether or not her ex contested the kids being moved away. If he didn’t contest it despite being given a chance then I could see the judge making a quick decision as to why the previous agreement could no longer be kept and moving on.
If he had contested it he’d have had to stand up and face down the facts that she presented (assuming that her facts stand up, which I am currently for lack of other information) about his visitation patterns and his care and treatment of the three kids. With a move of 2000 miles I’d think a decision would be made by a judge to grant one or the other parent custody, so he’d also have to demonstrate that he was in a position to support three children, etc.
And even if he was an emotional abuser, I’ve seen situations where once someone is out of the abuser’s “home turf” the abuser isn’t willing to pursue because of the uncertain results. Better to think that you’ve LET someone get away than try to get them back and be beaten when you over reach…
So while i wasn’t there and ianal, I can think of a few ways to interpret her story to make it a less dispicable act on the part of the judge to award custody to the current custodial parent who moved to make a better life for her kids.
She’s still wrong about a lot of things. When I messaged her a few weeks ago on Youtube, not only did she stand by Elam’s opinion that “Women [in today’s society] are not self-sufficient”, she also justified the register-her website and expressed willfull igorance when I pointed out many statements by Elam expresses his desire to fuck shit up and enact public acts of violence. I’m sorry for what she went through but that doesn’t really explain her embracing the MRM . God knows that there are plenty of feminists who have endured just as much horrible treatment–although I’m pretty sure MRAs would tear those women apart, accusing them of lying about their rapes or of bringing it on themselves.
Men are allowed to create male-only spaces. What ISN’T allowed is for those spaces to be:
(1) “places of public accommodation”; or
(2) non-profits (i.e.) subsidized by taxpayers’ money.
“GWW seems unable to acknowledge the significance of the misogyny she herself has experienced in the MRM.”
She understands it, and so do I. There are occasional bad apples, and the MRM is probably overdue for some housekeeping work.
What is your point? That men and boys do not deserve equal protection under the law because some of the people who advocate for men and boys are too angry to be objective?
GWW is fighting for justice. She is not looking for friends or validation. That only adds to her merit.
^ My comment was directed at Zarat
AntZ: So, uh, who are the good apples? I mean, besides Feminist Critics (doesn’t identify as MRA) and Fathers & Families (same).
Also I am capable of empathizing with people of all genders? Because I’m cool and have empathy like that. So.
“.. act on the part of the judge to award custody to the current custodial parent who moved to make a better life for her kids ..”
Read her story again. She agrees with the judge’s ruling (as do most MRAs). She was appalled that the judge did not even listen to the ex-husband or look at the evidence that he presented.
Who in your book is a bad apple in the MRM? Paul Elam? W.F Price? Ferdinand? The guy who wrote that women’s suffrage has contributed to the downfall of Western civilzation? They all seem to be well liked by MRAs.
@Crumbelievable: The suffering of women (or particularly feminists!) isn’t real unless it turns them into MRM supporters, right? 🙂
That is a masterpiece of understatement.
A few bad apples. LOL. The whole barrel has fermented.