You know those guys over on MGTOWforums.com, who spend so much of their time complaining about women and talking about how glad they are to not have anything to do with icky lady stuff? Well, it turns out they don’t hate women at all! They just think that women are all money-hungry narcissists who deserve to be punished for abusing their “rights.”
That may seem like a rather subtle distinction there, or possibly a giant heaping load of steaming bullshit. So I’ll let the eminently rational Spocksdisciple explain it all to you.
A Misogynist hates women because they’re women…
An MGHOW distrusts women for the powers they abuse…
Go on.
An MGHOW isn’t a misogynist and should never be, he’s a person who doesn’t allow women to impact his life and doesn’t care what women think about him.
Evidently he means “a person who doesn’t allow women to impact his life except for the hours he spends every day complaining about them online.”
He’s also a person who doesn’t actively hate women, but hate the things women do with their gov’t granted powers. The abuses and legal atrocities women commit is the fault of the gov’t and judicial system allowing these abuses.
Yes, those evil feminazi judges that run the country, headed up by that evil Chief Justice Judy on the Supreme Court.
Women will be women just as men will be men, their ingrained nature is no more different then how other animals behave.
Well, perhaps a bit different than how some animals behave. I mean, flatworms have swordfights with their penises in order to determine who gets to be the dude flatworm when they have sex, and I don’t know many people who do that.
I personally think women are hardwired to be hypergamous and self centered, they have to be in order to survive.
We don’t hate women! It’s just that they’re HARDWIRED to be selfish moneygrubbing bitches. It’s SCIENCE!!!
Just as men are hardwired to be analytical problem solvers as well as highly aggressive creatures when the need arises.
Don’t hate us because we’re so smart, ladies!
The trouble is that society today lets women get away with anything and everything, from getting harassed by random dudes on streetcorners to getting paid less than men for the same work.
Sorry, those were bad examples. Back to Spocksdisciple:
Today’s women may not be worthy of trust as has been proven over and over again in the news but in the past women were granted privileges their predecessors earned for them in blood and pain, privileges which were then turned in “inalienable” rights without the ability to suffer the consequences of abusing these “rights”.
Exactly! Now that women have the right to (for example) own property, they should be roundly punished each and every time they abuse these rights! Like, if they buy too much shit, they should have to pay money to rent storage units to keep it in.
NO MORE FREE STORAGE UNITS FOR LADIES!!! We’re on to you!
I’m not sure Spockdisciple has thought of that example. I’ll have to mention it at the next meeting.
But anyway, even though Spocksdisciple thinks women should suffer some sort of consequences for “abusing” their rights –oddly, he doesn’t actually mention what rights women are abusing or how they should be punished – he wants to make it clear that this doesn’t mean he hates the ladies.
Hating women for their innate nature is like them hating men for ours, nothing will come of it, men and women won’t change their innermost nature so why bother wasting the energy in the first place.
A true MGHOW doesn’t hate women, he hates the system which enables such bad behavior in women without them suffering the consequences of such behavior, if women suffered the consequences of their misbehavior you can bet many of them wouldn’t be so eager to abuse their “rights” with impunity.
So, again, MGTOWers don’t hate women. They just think women are inherently a bunch of greedy hoebags who are completely untrustworthy and deserve to be punished.
What on earth is hateful about that?
Naturally, most of the totally non-woman-hating dudes over on MGTOWforums.com found Spocksdisciple’s argument to be logical as shit. As cdub noted:
I don’t hate women. I hate that they are not held accountable for their actions. There are too many blue pillers out there to ever see thru this shit. I think the only thing that will change any of this is if there is complete collapse of the Western world and all those strong, independent women will have to rely on men just like nature intended.
AussieSteve, though, thought Spocksdisciple was being a bit too lenient on the ladies.
I hate the system and I hate what women are. I can hate both because both have earned my hatred. The system hasn’t made women loathsome it has merely created an environment that has exposed their true natures. If somebody lets a poisonous snake out of its cage am I not allowed to kill that snake because it isn’t its fault that it got out? The person that opened the cage should be held accountable as well, sure – but a snake is still a snake and if I have to kill it to protect myself then that snake is going to die.
All the system has done is allow women to do abhorrent things, it hasn’t made them do it. It just removed the restraints that our forefathers, in their wisdom, put in place to keep them under control. Women are poisonous snakes and we have stupidly let them out of their cages.
Huh. Women represented by evil snakes. Haven’t ever heard that one before.
Spocksdisciple may indeed consider himself a disciple of the inestimable Mr. Spock – but if so it seems to me that he has failed to grasp the governing attributes of Mr. Spock’s approach to life.
Logic and the rational thoughts that stem from an understanding of it.
Just sayin’
@ Lady Zombie
I think I just came up with a solution to our problem – Bravo. They love this kind of shit. We just need to persuade them that MGTOW Island would make fabulous TV and they can put up the cash, stock the island with food supplies, and drop all the MGTOW. And then the entertainment will begin.
I predict that they’ll all go Lord of the Flies on each other within a week.
@ Cassandra
Sounds awesome. Now all we need to do is pitch it to some network execs. The only thing I’d change is I wouldn’t stock the island at all. I mean hey, they’re men and as we all know, men can do everything! They don’t need help like women do. So it should be no problem for them to build huts, construct a water purification system, plant crops, fashion hunting implements, and so on, all from the raw materials on the island. After all, men built civilization as we know it!
Should be a cake-walk for them!
A man’s rights are so natural and inalienable from him they’re a part of his skin, while a woman’s rights are artificial, always subject to question, and can be taken away at any moment.
We hear people say all the time, “Women have abused their rights, we must take those rights away.”
But we never hear people say (it is almost impossible to say), “Men have abused their rights, we must take those rights away.”
Seriously, people who believe women are privileged are stupid. It is impossible to be “privileged” when your rights, your abilities, and the very idea that you are a human being, are always under question.
But if we don’t stock the island everyone will be dead within a few weeks. You know these guys would just sit on the beach waiting for a woman to come make them a sandwich. I’d be amazed if they even roused themselves enough to try to climb a tree and pick some bananas.
(I’m assuming this will be a nice island, not like the Scottish castaway show where they dropped people on some desolate rock that was freezing cold and contantly pelted with rain.)
That’s true. They’d spend all their time sitting around, talking about how evil women are instead of picking bananas on their woman-free island.
So yeah. Stock the island. We need at least two seasons of hilarious MGTOW reality TV!
Will this island still require the MGTOWers to build their own shelters and start their own fires? Because that’s totally misandry, yo.
Ah yes, the “You only have rights because we suffer you having them, so you better do what we want with them” school of thought. Very common in the oppressed I’ve heard.
“The right of free speech does not mean “disagreement-free free speech'”
I’m so sick of people saying, “Free speech!” whenever they’re criticized even slightly. Yes, I think you have the right to say it. I still don’t think you should.
I don’t think you should say it*. I realize that last part might have been unclear.
Also, you have the right to say it, and I have the right to say “well that was dumb”.
wait wait… it’s SPOCK disciple? I’ve been reading it as SOCK disciple this whole time and being rather baffled… *blushes*
He’s the disciple of that one sock. You know, the one that always vanishes in the dryer. It’s a sock going it’s own way.
Hahahaha.. I had a much dirtier impression of Sock Disciple, involving a D/s relationship that should never be.
Cassandra, I laughed at the “taint of Eve” comment, then had to remind myself that volunteering to perform a lobotomy is never a good idea when the co-worker said, again in all seriousness,
“Yeah, but you don’t believe in natural selection and are Socialist* and stuff. You don’t believe in the bible, do you?”
*Because I said the idea of political parties was anachronistic at this point and that letting people die in areas of famine was EVIL.
I have to dodge getting clubbed and dragged back to a cave daily – and this from men who claim to respect and love women.
Love this post, David. Shows how compartmentalized entitled thought processes can be.
I can tell you where our trolls went…the GMP. And they’re trying to get Lisa to agree with their reasoning by stating it so much more reasonably. Which is laughable, considering we know what they post on other sites.
Ah…..PillowinHell….interesting observation.
[Exposing ignorance here.] What is GMP? Sorry if answer is obvious, I did try the Google. http://bit.ly/wvagDL
@ersatzmoons
Actually there are two species of poisonous (not venomous) snakes
http://www.qi.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=11751&start=0&sid=46306d4eaed2d6fddce09a843bf63624
Quackers: I’ve caught this contradiction many times when reading MRA garbage. They claim women were never oppressed, then say things like this, that it was a mistake giving women rights and freedom.
That’s your ladybrain applying hamster logic. Women are like children. The reasonable restrictions (which were so infelicitously referred to as, “cages”) were much as the ways in which children are kept from doing things which we know they are incapable of truly doing safely.
So just as children aren’t allowed to drive, or operate heavy machinery, etc. women should be kept from exercising franchise, living independently of men, etc.
It’s for their own good. Just look at the harm done to the Members of the MRA and the MHGHOW movements. Those men would be sitting pretty if women had just understood how good they had it when they were property.
After a few weeks of reading the articles, you realize that Al Bundy would be considered too much of a mangina, these guys need help. Then again Al at least waits until a woman is at least 30 before dismissing them, doesn’t care if they’re sexually experienced (especially with black men) or have plastic surgery, would find pedophilia and physically hurting women disgusting and as long as they’re not fat, he’s all for them wearing skimpy clothes.
@Cloudiah
I think it refers to the Good Men Project
I’ve kept (and bred) snakes. Snakes are a lot easier to deal with than people. Leave a snake alone, and the snake will leave you alone. Don’t invade the snake’s comfort zone, and you can pretty much handle them without risk.
Don’t look like a threat/don’t look like food, and the snake will leave you alone (some snakes have a much more finicky set of what equals food/danger, this is where education comes into play).
I’ve encountered about half a dozen rattlesnakes in the wild,and none of them have come close to biting me. One of them was almost stepped on by a girlfriend of mine, didn’t care (she did, can’t say as I blame her… she was wearing shorts and sandals; Greyhound having lost her luggage for a couple of days, and Canada not having any deadly snakes).
@Shadow: Thanks! Sorry so obtuse.
What exactly do these guys think “hate” even means? If there is literally nothing women can do that will make us okay in their eyes (or they can’t imagine a woman being okay because they think we’re inherently evil), how can they claim–how can they delude themselves into thinking–that they don’t hate us?