You know those guys over on MGTOWforums.com, who spend so much of their time complaining about women and talking about how glad they are to not have anything to do with icky lady stuff? Well, it turns out they don’t hate women at all! They just think that women are all money-hungry narcissists who deserve to be punished for abusing their “rights.”
That may seem like a rather subtle distinction there, or possibly a giant heaping load of steaming bullshit. So I’ll let the eminently rational Spocksdisciple explain it all to you.
A Misogynist hates women because they’re women…
An MGHOW distrusts women for the powers they abuse…
Go on.
An MGHOW isn’t a misogynist and should never be, he’s a person who doesn’t allow women to impact his life and doesn’t care what women think about him.
Evidently he means “a person who doesn’t allow women to impact his life except for the hours he spends every day complaining about them online.”
He’s also a person who doesn’t actively hate women, but hate the things women do with their gov’t granted powers. The abuses and legal atrocities women commit is the fault of the gov’t and judicial system allowing these abuses.
Yes, those evil feminazi judges that run the country, headed up by that evil Chief Justice Judy on the Supreme Court.
Women will be women just as men will be men, their ingrained nature is no more different then how other animals behave.
Well, perhaps a bit different than how some animals behave. I mean, flatworms have swordfights with their penises in order to determine who gets to be the dude flatworm when they have sex, and I don’t know many people who do that.
I personally think women are hardwired to be hypergamous and self centered, they have to be in order to survive.
We don’t hate women! It’s just that they’re HARDWIRED to be selfish moneygrubbing bitches. It’s SCIENCE!!!
Just as men are hardwired to be analytical problem solvers as well as highly aggressive creatures when the need arises.
Don’t hate us because we’re so smart, ladies!
The trouble is that society today lets women get away with anything and everything, from getting harassed by random dudes on streetcorners to getting paid less than men for the same work.
Sorry, those were bad examples. Back to Spocksdisciple:
Today’s women may not be worthy of trust as has been proven over and over again in the news but in the past women were granted privileges their predecessors earned for them in blood and pain, privileges which were then turned in “inalienable” rights without the ability to suffer the consequences of abusing these “rights”.
Exactly! Now that women have the right to (for example) own property, they should be roundly punished each and every time they abuse these rights! Like, if they buy too much shit, they should have to pay money to rent storage units to keep it in.
NO MORE FREE STORAGE UNITS FOR LADIES!!! We’re on to you!
I’m not sure Spockdisciple has thought of that example. I’ll have to mention it at the next meeting.
But anyway, even though Spocksdisciple thinks women should suffer some sort of consequences for “abusing” their rights –oddly, he doesn’t actually mention what rights women are abusing or how they should be punished – he wants to make it clear that this doesn’t mean he hates the ladies.
Hating women for their innate nature is like them hating men for ours, nothing will come of it, men and women won’t change their innermost nature so why bother wasting the energy in the first place.
A true MGHOW doesn’t hate women, he hates the system which enables such bad behavior in women without them suffering the consequences of such behavior, if women suffered the consequences of their misbehavior you can bet many of them wouldn’t be so eager to abuse their “rights” with impunity.
So, again, MGTOWers don’t hate women. They just think women are inherently a bunch of greedy hoebags who are completely untrustworthy and deserve to be punished.
What on earth is hateful about that?
Naturally, most of the totally non-woman-hating dudes over on MGTOWforums.com found Spocksdisciple’s argument to be logical as shit. As cdub noted:
I don’t hate women. I hate that they are not held accountable for their actions. There are too many blue pillers out there to ever see thru this shit. I think the only thing that will change any of this is if there is complete collapse of the Western world and all those strong, independent women will have to rely on men just like nature intended.
AussieSteve, though, thought Spocksdisciple was being a bit too lenient on the ladies.
I hate the system and I hate what women are. I can hate both because both have earned my hatred. The system hasn’t made women loathsome it has merely created an environment that has exposed their true natures. If somebody lets a poisonous snake out of its cage am I not allowed to kill that snake because it isn’t its fault that it got out? The person that opened the cage should be held accountable as well, sure – but a snake is still a snake and if I have to kill it to protect myself then that snake is going to die.
All the system has done is allow women to do abhorrent things, it hasn’t made them do it. It just removed the restraints that our forefathers, in their wisdom, put in place to keep them under control. Women are poisonous snakes and we have stupidly let them out of their cages.
Huh. Women represented by evil snakes. Haven’t ever heard that one before.
The problem, of course, isn’t science. It’s their pre-kindergarten understanding of science.
>>a snake is still a snake and if I have to kill it to protect myself then that snake is going to die
I think it bears to remember that in this screed, ‘snake’ means ‘woman’.
So I take it that actually going their own way and just not interacting with women any more than absolutely necessary still isn’t in the works, huh? Instead going your own way now means attempting to kill any woman you see who isn’t properly caged.
I think this movement needs a new name.
I fight other dudes in penis swordfights all the time. I assumed everyone did this but I was too embarassed to ask.
Oh yeah they totally love the ladies (not).
@ Crumbelievable
It’s just because I’m an evil snake-woman that I’m not able to access the footage of this via YouTube, right?
My friends and I used to cross our pee while sharing a toilet, but we stopped doing it, like, last year.
Men have no reason to hate women when women are following a perfect feminine way of life. But men must strongly refuse western feminism. Because feminism is male hatred. Refusing western feminism is not woman hatred. Men must accept only feminine women who like to be consistent with male sexuality.
As I said to David on twitter:
You could actually take that logic and say that the Nazis didn’t hate the Jews without Godwinning.
the right to turn down men! the right to “falsely accuse” men! the right to spit on men! the right to steal their sperm! the right to think they are actual human being! the right to decide on pregnancy!
mras aren’t known for being specific. They wouldn’t want to say something to that actually would get them in trouble…..
I really thing it all comes down to a. rape being illegal and women being able to file rape charges, b. women being able to initiate a divorce and survive afterwards, and c. beating your wife being illegal. In misogynist weirdo land those are all rights that women should never have been granted, and us having them has destroyed society.
@Crumbelievable
The first rule of penis fight club is never talk about penis fight club. I think why is self evident.
I don’t know, those rights, Cassandrasays, they sound like lady rights. Not like real rights. Like Man rights. You get a lady right, I lose a Man Right.
not me. HTML ate my vomit tag that I invented for this reply
But men must strongly refuse western feminism. Because feminism is male hatred.
Okay, raise your hand if you hate my maleness. Anybody?
It’s amazing the way these guys can rationalize their misogyny. It’s like how Meller convinces himself he actually loves women by subscribing to this ridiculous fantasy of how a real women should be and argues that he only hates the feminist ones.
Well, there was the one, semi-reasonable (given the context) dude on the forum who said misandry is only a step and that you have to get over it to REALLY GYOW.
*crickets*
Once again they’re overgeneralizing from their own experience. Feminists sure seem to hate them, therefore it must be because they’re men. Right? And therefore feminists must hate all men? Please ignore all the men who hang out in feminist spaces and are well liked, because we are also defining “man” as “man like me”.
Yeah, all the real life examples I’ve met have definitely had this particular problem.
Really. Seriously. Dude. It’s just you. It’s not men.
Men must accept only feminine women who like to be consistent with male sexuality.
Must we? ‘Cause there’s lots of unfeminine women out there who are very much consistent with my sexuality.
Well, in their realm of logic, male feminists are manginas whereas MRAs are true (and apparently, according to Elam, self-actualized) men. Therefore, feminists who hate MRAs hate true men. QED, ipso facto quid pro quo.
SNAKES AREN’T POISONOUS.
(SOME) SNAKES ARE VENOMOUS.
POISON IS INGESTED.
VENOM IS INJECTED.
o_o; one of my pet peeves
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I think it takes an incredible amount of cognitive dissonance and “doublethink” to make that kind of argument and truly believe it…it’s scary, sad and fascinating all at the same time.
Doesn’t nature dude live in Sri Lanka? If so, how is “western feminism” of any concern to him? If something doesn’t even exist in your personal sphere, by definition, there’s no need to reject it.