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MRA: Men can sometimes tell when women are on their periods. Therefore, feminism is exposed as a dirty lie!

From Susan Draws. (Click on the pic to go there.)

Watch out, ladies! And feminism! Because guys are totally onto you and your dirty periods. According to a study cited on the blog What Men Think of Women, men can tell when women are on their periods – just by listening to them talk! Well, some of the time, anyway. From a writeup of the research in the Times of India:

Men can actually tell from a woman’s voice when she is having her period, a new study has claimed.

For the study, conducted by Nathan Pipitone at Adams State College and Gordon Gallup from SUNY-Albany, the researchers asked three groups of men to listen to voice recordings of ten women who counted from one to five at four different points over their menstrual cycle.

According to Popular Science, all four recordings were played in a random order and then the first group of men were asked to guess which were made while the women were on their period. The tests revealed that the men were correct 35 per cent of the time, which was described as a ‘significant’ result.

That’s right, ladies! Men can tell whether or not you’re are on the rag  – a third of the time!

I myself have developed a technique that can bring this success rate to well over 50 percent – just by listening to women talk!

All you have to do is to pay attention to subtle audio clues, like her saying:

“I just started my period.”

“My period came early this month.”

“Crap. I’ve got awful craps – because of my period.”

“Aunt Flo is paying her monthly visit.” (Note: this works only if she does not actually have an Aunt Flo.)

“It’s shark week! “ (Note: This works only if it is not actually Shark Week on the Discovery Channel.)

“It’s that time of month again. The time when I use tampons, in my vagina.”

 “I have reached that point in my menstrual cycle during which blood leaks from my hoo-ha.”

So what does all this mean? According to Christian J at What Men Are Saying About Women, it means the jig is up, feminists! In a post titled How Men can Decode “Women’s” Menstrual Cycle.. , he writes:

This information is what feminist have been trying to hide, delete and deny for many a decade. They are of the opinion that the menstrual cycle is irrelevant and superfluous to their cause and one can understand why when one looks at the studies on how women are affected by it.

In the worst case scenarios, their behaviour are effected to such a degree as to make them totally dysfunctional and even bedridden for the period(intended) of the cycle. The other side of the argument is ofcourse that it is swept under the carpet and not discussed or taken seriously..

Just some added benefits from feminism, as they live in ignorant, self induced silence..

You might as well pack it in, ladies and manginas – because men know!

A third of the time.

NOTE: I have no idea why Christian J. put the word “women” in quotes in the title of his blog post. Like his now-legendary two-dot ellipses, this is a mystery that may forever remain unsolved. Or you could ask him, I guess.

EDITED TO ADD: This post has now inspired a completely disingenuous “Yahoo Answers” query from an antifeminist concern troll who seems to be pretending that this post was not DRIPPING IN SARCASM. Add your answers, if you want!

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CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

Also, the fact that lowquacks exists is proof that being a 19 year old boy alone is not enough to make anyone act like MRAL. Magdelyn can be pretty nasty at times, but I’ve never seen her have the kind of meltdown that tends to prompt “holy shit you need help” comments. Some people are both misogynist and not in need of immediate psychiatric assistance, as unpleasent as that thought might be.

lowquacks
lowquacks
9 years ago

I’m actually 18, if we’re being picky.

My experiences so far parallel MRAL’s pretty closely though. I hope the way I come off here doesn’t.

lowquacks
lowquacks
9 years ago

…Perhaps I’ll be an douchebag next year?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

That’s part of why people are dismissive towards his “my life has been destroyed by elitist bitches!” stuff. Lots of people are virgins into their late teens or early twenties. Lots of people are not conventionally attractive, or not very high in self esteem. Most people don’t react to those things by deciding that an entire gender is out to get them. The circumstances are fairly commonplace, but the reaction to them is completely irrational in his case. Feeling sad or frustrated about the situation is normal – raging and lashing out at random women is not.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

People are pretty dismissive towards Magdelyn too, actually. We just don’t interact with her in the same way that we interact with MRAL because she’s snarky and rude rather than aggressive and ragey.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

I once saw someone whose costume was a giant vulva at the Halloween party in the Castro! It was pretty cool, but I don’t think she could see very well since the kept walking into things.

lowquacks
lowquacks
9 years ago

@CassandraSays

The expression “bumping uglies” comes to mind.

Quackers
Quackers
9 years ago

@Ami

I want to lick those….the icing that is xD

comrade svilova
comrade svilova
9 years ago

Kavette, it doesn’t matter that you’ve had non het relationships in the past. It wouldn’t even matter if you were trans. Speculation about someone based only on stereotypes is deeply problematic.

comrade svilova
comrade svilova
9 years ago

Actually, I misspoke. It DOES matter that you are cis, Kavette. It does change the nature of your comment that you, as a privileged person, are making these cissexist assumptions. However, in the end, no matter HOW you identify, what you said remains deeply problematic.

As a cis woman in a lesbian relationship, it doesn’t make me happy to hear cissexist comments excused because the speaker has had non het relationship(s). I’m in a non het relationship but I know that doesn’t magically make me not cis. I still have to be aware of my cis privilege, as do you.

Viscaria
Viscaria
9 years ago

@Kavette

If I’ve hurt anyone for what I said I can honestly say I didn’t mean to.
I apologize for that.

All I can say is I’ve never been involved in the internet community and I’m probably really bad at it.

It’s clear that you never intended to hurt anybody. However, intent, it’s not actually fucking magic, and you have hurt people anyway. By staying so married to your position, you are continuing to hurt people. If you are truly sorry, you will stop doing that. Apologizing, and then continuing to do what you were doing, is meaningless.

I don’t know about every internet community, but as far as this one, I can give you a few tips. You’re not the first commenter to say some well-received things, and a few problematic things. The trick to continuing to be viewed as someone commenting in good faith is being willing to accept criticism. When someone points out an issue, and you dig your claws in, you lose goodwill with every passing hour and every new comment.

Naira
Naira
9 years ago

Also, the unfortunate thing about the article is that one has to have member access to read it. How annoying.

Though, in case some people haven’t looked it up: Ethology is the study of animal behavior, a subtopic of Zoology. The journal itself is printed by Wiley-Blackwell.

Some of the most-accessed articles from the journal are:
“Intelligence in Corvids and Apes: A Case of Convergent Evolution?”
“The Science of Animal Suffering”
“Male Siamese Fighting Fish, Betta splendens, Increase Rather than Conceal Courtship Behavior when a Rival is Present”
“Baby Schema in Infant Faces Induces Cuteness Perception and Motivation for Caretaking in Adults”

So, take it for what you will.

Kendra, the bionic mommy
Kendra, the bionic mommy
9 years ago

When I said my main feminist concern about periods was doctors denying menstrual problems, I did overlook sexists that dismiss women’s concerns as “just being on the rag”. Other people explained it better, and I agree that while I want menstrual problems to be taken seriously by doctors, I don’t want women to be treated like they’re incompetent when they’re menstruating. Yes, PMS symptoms are real, but they do not invalidate a woman’s opinions or feelings.

I feel for you all that get severe menstrual cramps. I make it okay with Ibuprofen, heating pads, and warm baths. By the way, the “Oh God kill me now” feeling is a lot the middle stage of labor. I don’t know what transition feels like, because I had an epidural.

Joanna
9 years ago

If I ever have any gynecological problems, I usually don’t bother seeing a doctor because they usually don’t examine me in anyway and prescribe me thrush treatments or whatever. I’m usually able to sort myself out unless I know I need antibiotics or something.

I actually do this for most health issues I have. I remember one summer I kept getting tonsillitis over and over. I couldn’t afford to keep going back to the doctor and the antibiotics were taking it out of me. So as soon as I felt the symptoms of tonsillitis returning I stocked up on vitamins, protein and gargled anti bacterial mouthwash several times a day. Win!

Kavette
Kavette
9 years ago

Viscaria

I certainly see your point, however in the beginning of my involvement in this thread I spoke about how I perceived ONE person, not a community of people. I do not believe and will never believe in a ranking scale of privilege based on check marks, and don’t for a minute think I should be mute about my opinions because I am not in the same group.

Having said that I do know opinions carry more weight within a group, because of this I have no problem with my opinions being dismissed, but I won’t take them back because to do so would be hypocritical.

Case in point:

An East Indian Hindu colleague and friend of mines daughter is 20 and is dead set upon marrying a Moslem boy from Iran. She is more then upset about this, besides the religious differences her daughter has college and he at 28 is working in a fast food restaurant. My two cents was can’t they just live together?

From a liberal western perspective my answer makes sense. My answer to her problem in her world would bring disgrace upon her whole family. So we talked about that for a while and we laughed about our different views and how well we get along even though .

Real life is easy, this internet thing without facial expression and touch is not so easy. I deal with different cultures on a daily basis (I’ll be in central America in 24 hours) and the one thing I’ve learned is you have to let people have their beliefs and opinions.

I believe that you can’t mock mra extremists while at the same time being PC extremists.

Dani Alexis
Dani Alexis
9 years ago

This whole board has at one time or another including myself has told MRAL to get help, with no-one here being a 19 year old boy themselves. He’s been psychoanalyzed from the top to the bottom from every sex often with comments on his status as perhaps a reason.

What makes me calling Mags on her issues with woman any different?

We tell MRAL to get help for specific behaviors that can often be changed with therapeutic assistance/intervention, and point out that it is possible for him to live with less anger and to act in less hurtful ways (to himself and others). As most therapists would also tell him, and as is true regardless of one’s age or sex. We tell him this on the basis of observing specific MRAL behaviors and comments – which we often quote – that indicate he might benefit from therapy.

You “called Mags on her issues with women” by proclaiming that Mags, a trans woman*, is jealous of cis women. You did not cite any specific instance in which Mags indicated her opinions are based on jealousy of any kind, nor did you even offer a helpful general observation, like “you seem to have a lot of issues with women; perhaps you should talk to someone about that.”

MRAL’s and Mags’s behaviors are the issue here. Their motivations are between them and their respective therapists. Your assumption that Mags’s motivations are based on a hurtful bullshit stereotype about trans folks is, frankly, hurtful bullshit.

*(I don’t actually know what Mags’s gender identity is, and I don’t want Mags to feel pressured in any way to tell me. I’m interested in the content of Mags’s comments, regardless of how Mags self-identifies.)

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

Kavette – Just back off. That’s twice now you’ve declared a LGBT person’s problems to be all about their LGBT status without knowing anything else about them. Just say “oops, that was wrong, I’ve learned now” and back the hell off.

(Also it sounds like your Hindu colleague wasn’t gently laughing off your different views so much as trying to politely escape the situation. But I don’t really know your situation, I just know a lot of liberal Westerners think that way so it all makes senes to me.)

We are PC extremists! We believe it is extremely not okay to make hurtful generalizations. We are extreme about that.

I don’t think you should take so much pride in holding the more moderate “we should make some hurtful generalizations” stance.

Dani Alexis
Dani Alexis
9 years ago

We are PC extremists! We believe it is extremely not okay to make hurtful generalizations. We are extreme about that.

I don’t think you should take so much pride in holding the more moderate “we should make some hurtful generalizations” stance.

THIS times infinity plus the Internet.

comrade svilova
comrade svilova
9 years ago

1.) Maybe think about the fact that many cis and trans posters all had the exact same interpretation and negative reaction to your comment. We could all be misinterpreting…or you could be communicating ineffectively. If you didn’t mean to use negative stereotypes about trans* people, you need to consider why we all feel that you DID trade in those negative stereotypes.

2.) Yes, you were speaking about an individual, but you did so by using an anti-trans stereotype.

MRAs do this all the time. They call an individual woman a ‘hysterical bitch’ or use other misogynist stereotypes to describe an individual. It’s still ABOUT women as a group because they are using stereotypes used to denigrate women as a group.

comrade svilova
comrade svilova
9 years ago

And yes, being extreme about avoiding hurtful, triggering, silencing or otherwise harmful language is a GREAT thing!

Scar
Scar
9 years ago

“Again.. only mra type trans I’ve ever met.”

Trans is not a noun. Please just go away until you get a clue.

Kavette
Kavette
9 years ago

(Also it sounds like your Hindu colleague wasn’t gently laughing off your different views so much as trying to politely escape the situation. But I don’t really know your situation, I just know a lot of liberal Westerners think that way so it all makes senes to me.)

We’re friends, she’s aware that my daughters have been in multiple relationships and she doesn’t judge. Different culture can find common ground.

For me that’s a rude and hurtful comment Holly made. I wrote about my friends experience with her daughter and Holly pasted me as a liberal western as being a bad thing .

I am a Liberal western. How is that a bad thing?

I am a proud moderate Canadian, do you actually think an internet board mocking mra’s is the toughest stand I’ve ever taken? Try talking to Kevin O’Leary for an hour or so.

Snowy
Snowy
9 years ago

Wait, where did Holly say that being a liberal westerner was a bad thing?

belledame222
9 years ago

AAAAAAGGGGHHHH

Kavette
Kavette
9 years ago

2.) Yes, you were speaking about an individual, but you did so by using an anti-trans stereotype.

I might get where there was a major misunderstanding from this and now I have to back off and just apologize.

I did not know there was any type of stereotype that would make a trans woman envious of a cis woman. I thought Mags was frankly unique in that regard.

My life experience has been filled with people o.k with with what life deals them, and if not the means to pay for it and it’s o.k because you have the money. Sometimes I can be an idiot, and I’d say this is one of those times.

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

We’re friends, she’s aware that my daughters have been in multiple relationships and she doesn’t judge. Different culture can find common ground.
Sounds like the common ground was that you get to judge her family and in return she doesn’t judge your family.

But the point of the “of course you’d think that, you’re a liberal Westerner” was to give you an idea of how it feels when you say “of course she’d say that, she’s trans.”

Kavette
Kavette
9 years ago

‘Sounds like the common ground was that you get to judge her family and in return she doesn’t judge your family.’

You didn’t make your point at all. In fact you owe me a apology. That was a rude statement.

I never said in anyway, for the last time that Mags says the things she does because it is typical of trans people. For the last time I have never met a trans person who thinks like Mags does. ever.

Holly I’ve enjoyed many of your posts in the past, but I’m not enjoying being on the other end of them.

Kate
Kate
9 years ago

Um, not to get in hot water here, but Kavette, you were the one to call yourself a liberal westerner, which is probably why Holly picked up on the phrase as she was dealing with that whole thought.

Also, I’m kinda confused about your story, why did you call the person an East Indian? None of the Indians I know identify that way, and if you meant that they were from eastern India it still makes little sense as that area is much further away from the strife that is the Pakistani border and therefore are in general much more tolerant of Seiks and the like than the ones from the contested areas… so if you meant that they came from the east side of India I’m still confused… (now if she had been talking about a Tamil boy I could see where she was coming from… even though that situation is now pretty much over)

Also, India has generally not-horrid relations with Iran (unlike a majority of the rest of the world governments), and all the Indians I know (and I work with a majority of Indians) don’t seem to have a problem with Iran except to be careful about doing any business with Iran while they are outside of India. So I’m not sure what you were doing with that detail in the story either… it appears to me that in your search to find an illuminating anecdote you instead are coming off as either racist yourself or tolerant of those who are racist because of their upbringing.

And as a Canuck born and raised I feel that’s very un-cool in addition to the earlier statements that many here (including me) found to be objectionable.

Snowy
Snowy
9 years ago

I might get where there was a major misunderstanding from this and now I have to back off and just apologize.

I did not know there was any type of stereotype that would make a trans woman envious of a cis woman.

Seriously, Kavette? You with all your knowledge of lgbt issues didn’t know about this stereotype? I find that hard to believe. In any case, even if you didn’t consciously know you were using a harmful stereotype and thought that you were the first person to ever think of a trans person being jealous of cis person, there was no “major misunderstanding”. You used that hateful stereotype and people called you out on it. I’m glad you understand the importance of backing off and apologizing now, but I would hope you would apologize for what you actually did and not try to pawn it off as a being just a misunderstanding.

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

Kavette – Of course I don’t think all liberal Westerners are bad people! It’s just that being a liberal Westerner, I can see how you might have confused an expression of cultural hegemony (she doesn’t judge your daughters; you tell her that her daughter ought to do something she considers reprehensible and she laughs it off instead of confronting you) with a charming cultural interchange.

Some liberal Westerners are like that, you know. Let’s not be PC about this.

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

Look, I’m sorry. I apologize. I stand by everything I said, of course–it’s probably right–but I can see you’re upset so I apologize. For how upset you got.

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

@Kate TBF I think she called her east Indian to clarify that she doesn’t mean First Nations. The term isn’t unusual in my experience and I’ve heard a lot of self identification (communities regularly call themselves east Indian when they just mean Indian, it’s like the usage of the term “east Asian” which is used a lot in self-identification here too), and she might have too (it’s also common usage in the media). I don’t know if this is just a difference in what you and I have experienced, or if this is something that’s just common usage in Canada or something… :

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

Is this still going? >_<

Now the hole is getting deeper and deeper :

Comrade Svilova
Comrade Svilova
9 years ago

I did not know there was any type of stereotype that would make a trans woman envious of a cis woman.

Okay, fair enough. The fact that you used “trans” as a noun as well indicates that you may not be that involved with the trans* community. However, if you’re that unfamiliar with trans* issues and politics and the experiences of trans* people, then it’s PARTICULARLY inappropriate to psychoanalyze someone based on their trans* status, as you did.

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

If you’re unfamiliar and inexperienced with trans issues then even more so you should back off when people point out that you’re being really problematic : Also you even said that online you can’t “read” people, so you know even less about Magdelyn except that she’s trans, which is the whole issue everybody is having. -_-

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

So straw poll… which do people think is more likely when the MRAs read this thread:

1) wondering if their own community would ever stick up for a troll like this

2) going “this is a perfect example of feminism’s obsession with identity politics! and look how they only care about trans people, but they never call out the vile misandry against their trolls, like calling them creepy! hypocrisy!”

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

actually the first one should be

1) wondering if their own community would ever stick up for them like this, much less a troll

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

Ami – MRAs can have it both ways. If feminists have internal arguments it means that we’re unpleasable harpies who will eat our own; if we have no internal arguments it means we’re a lockstep hivemind.

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

We oppose “our own” to protect our enemies who were wronged?

Yup we’re vile all right. e_e

MIND YOU, they also believe that no human being could or should ever try to help others and that in an emergency, everybody not just should, but MUST have a fight to the death cage match to decide who lives, and working together is cheating xD

So I guess that makes sense…

Comrade Svilova
Comrade Svilova
9 years ago

Haha, yeah, I think MRAs will read this as feminists being obnoxious and evil.

Shadow
Shadow
9 years ago

@Kate

Ami’s right that Indians are often referred to as East Indians. Also, while you’re right about the relationship between India and Iran, there is a lot of animosity between Hindus and Muslims in India (and, unfortunately, just in general), and it may well be considered disgraceful for a Muslim and a Hindu to marry depending on the families involved. The animosity is especially strong the closer you get to the border between India and Pakistan.

Shadow
Shadow
9 years ago

Also, I think you might be getting the Sri Lankan conflict confused with India.

Kate
Kate
9 years ago

Alright, I’ll apologize for jumping over the phrase “East Indian” and take the word of the people who say that the Indians they know identify as East Indians. Thanks for the clarifications everyone. I work in a majority Indian office and occasionally with the Indian consulate, but I agree that probably actually gives me a biased view of the situation as I am dealing with governmental officials and the very well educated who are here on work terms to gain international experience which will further their promotions when they go back to the parent company (international experience with a good review at that post is required for any significant promotion).

So it could be that there’s some determined promotion of India going on that I’m oblivious to in addition to some subtle and less than subtle class distinctions coming into play from a societal background that is still stratified (although that is rapidly changing).

And that ends my derail on that… sorry all!

Kate
Kate
9 years ago

Oh, except to add that the Indian Tamils (decended from immigrants from the Tamil Nadu area of India, living in SriLanka) that immigrated to Canada were very outspoken and tried to influence the wider Indian and SriLankan communities (especially in Scarborough) in the 90’s. So while yes, the Tamil Tigers were focused on creating a state in SriLanka, there was some considerable strife between them and Indians living in Canada, and that’s what I was referring to (I wish I could dig up a link, but I’m at work and can’t get past the firewall with my searches, sorry!)

Shadow
Shadow
9 years ago

@Kate

I hope my posts didn’t come off as attacking you. There was nothing problematic about what you said, I was just letting you know that it’s not quite right

Shadow
Shadow
9 years ago

Oh I see what you’re referring to. Since she said East Indian Hindu, it could well be that they are North Indian, but there are also a lot of Hindu South Indians, and there is generally no real animosity between the various cultures in South India. If her friend is North Indian then you would definitely be right.

Joanna
9 years ago

So anyway we were talking about periods…

Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

@Joanna,

It’s really saying something when changing the subject to periods actually reduces the level of discomfort in a conversation. 🙂

(Of course, I’m a cis male, so YMMV.)

Magpie
9 years ago

Just talking about periods seems to have brought mine on! Talk about chocolate – we’ll see if that works the same 😉