Sure, Man Boobz 2011 Troll of the Year NWOslave may live in an alternate reality — but he at least seems well-grounded in that reality. What might happen if he were to suddenly ingest a tab or ten of LSD?
I think I have an answer to that question. Meet blogger and conspiracy theorist Jay Dyer, a self-described “controversialist, writer, comedian, debater, and philosopher/theologian.”
That’s a mouthful, and Jay more or less lives up to it, delivering stream of consciousness rants that range from Aleister Crowley (he’s not a fan) to the evils of women dressing like Hannah Montana. Plus he quotes the Bible from time to time.
Actually, that description doesn’t even begin to capture Jay’s peculiar charms. So, without further ado, I present to you some highlights from an essay titled The United Skanks of Amerika that Jay wrote with the assistance of someone identified only as M.B.
Amerika has become one, big, nasty, black metal mosh pit. Satan said to Adam and Eve “do what thou wilt,” Satanist Aleister Crowley said, “do what thou wilt” and the gospel of Amerika is “do what thou wilt.” … Churches are dominated by fat matriarchal women and homosexuals. Women open their purses and the priests of Ashtoreth bow and tell them whatever they want to hear. … Amerika is a play land – a bigger, gayer Disney world. It’s middle-aged moms on facebook, donning Montana garb. The nation is frozen in perpetual adolescence and arrested development.
After this dramatic opening, Jay offers up the strangest capsule version of American history I’ve ever seen:
Started by a bunch of tee-totaler puritan gnostics, this nation has jumped to the opposite extreme and become a cess pool of flesh. In fact, in the East Coast punk scene, kids are now eating chunks of each others’ flesh. Let that sink in. In the West Coast gay scene, it is now an honor to receive AIDS from trendy gays.
Then Jay gets around to the “skanks” of the essay’s title:
Women of this country, especially young women, are perpetual princesses stuck in a perpetual mirror glance, coated in chemicals and striving for the most unnatural goals – to be a manwoman. For a sensible male to get with one of these creatures is in serious danger. But watch out – before long, they’ve left you for another woman and taken your fake Federal Reserve notes. They get half of your all-seeing eyes. Whores with your Horus. Dressed like complete whores, will they soon be completely naked?
But young men don’t get off any easier in Jay’s critique:
The average twenty-something male is now a fat, gamer, feminized, emo freak, who spits every time he lisps, because he can’t form sentences.
Neither do middle-aged men:
Grown men – baby-boomer dads – collect comics and play Dungeons & Dragons. And if they don’t, they stare at pixelated football and the Maso-kabbalist videodrome complex.
Yes, he really did just say “Maso-kabbalist videodrome complex.”
Jay also has some issues with higher education:
The “wise men” of this culture are the Marxist, gay, feminist, druid college professors, who, if they have children, drive them to white horror core rap concerts. Just like the sociology professor mom involved with Pyscho Sam whom her daughter met over Myspace.
And lower education:
That any parent would put their children in public school is a sign of apparent hatred of their kids. Why would anyone put their kids in a government re-education camp? Public schools are prisons where the teachers screw students and students get doped up on pills become homosexual.
When they’re not shooting each other, that is:
[P]arents can’t understand why their children shoot each other at school. The[y] shoot one another at school because they are possessed by the demonic culture. And while you stupidly play golf and make scrapbooks, your kids are worshipping Lucifer, who, according to you, doesn’t exist.
Women working! Men raising kids! It’s all one big air-conditioned nightmare for Jay:
The family is now become stay-at-home dads that care for the 1.3 kids, while moms climb the skyscraper and has sex with the CEO for more fake fed notes. If it’s not this, it’s “my two dads.”
Preach it, Jay!
Amerika is just this – Chuck E. Cheese speeding at you on a Harley, holding Crowley’s Magick in Theory and Practice,with Jenna Jameson mounted on the back. …
Amerika is krunk. Amerika is funk. Amerika is junk. Amerika is Lil’ Jon having sex with Lady Liberty. …
Rationalism is what birthed this country, but it morphed into utter irrationality. Thomas Paine became Spongebob and Spongebob is Thomas Paine.
I think I’ll just leave it at that. Oh, there’s more — much, much more — in Jay’s little manifesto, but my poor brain can only take in so much in one sitting without exploding.
NOTE: I discovered Jay’s essay through a link on MGTOWforums.com; the dude posting the link described it as “one of the best essays about feminism and life in the US … By far one of the most accurate essays I have ever had the pleasure of reading.” It got a mixed reaction; the consensus seemed to be that while he made some good points, Jay might just be a little too obsessed with Aleister Crowley and the Masons.
EDITED TO ADD: Also, if middle-aged women want to wear some sort of “Montana garb,” I’d suggest they go with Patsy, not Hannah. Patsy Montana was awesome!
Thank you, Katz…..I now need more Dropkick Murphys…..you, you,you…fiendish Dropkick Murphys pusher!! 😉
Best conspiracy theory ever!
They might be EGTOW, extraterrestrials going their own way. They have decided to boycott Alpha Centauri women, probably because the women want equal access to warp speed hyperdrives and anti gravity technology. Good old fashioned earth women are happy staying on their own planet.
Again, I do understand why people get taken in by alien conspiracy theories. The people who are big into them probably want some kind of excitement in their lives, and what would be more exciting than riding in a spaceship to another star system? They might also have hope that aliens could come and solve all of earth’s problems, making it into a Star Trek like utopia. It’s wishful thinking.
Popular culture also helps create these fantasies. Even if someone knows that Close Encounters of the Third Kind is fictional, zie is still influenced by it. Add some confirmation bias and soon the person interprets everything as evidence of an alien conspiracy. I try not to argue much with these people, because I think they have too much emotional investment in their beliefs. I know a guy that believes very strongly that the US faked the lunar landing, and it really upsets him when someone shows skepticism about it.
I missed most of the discussion with jay, but after reading it and his blog post on manboobz, I just have to say…
Why am I not surprised that the right-wing conspiracy nut spends half of his rant spouting “entartete kunst” bullshit?
It’s always the same with these reactionary dinosaurs. They make me think of a group of shit connoisseurs, discussing the relative merits, taste, runniness and texture of the shit they’ve tasted, all the while laughing at the poor rubes who haven’t developped that oh so refined acquired taste necessary to appreciate shit.
Your aesthetics are obsolete, jay. Dada lives!
Wait, MRAL likes Kafka’s work because it doesn’t have to be translated into English? Hahaha!
Kafka is an exception. But for the most part, I don’t like translated stuff. For example, German (according to Wikipedia and Google) is structured so differently from English that Kafka can get certain effects that you just can’t replicate in English… like the first line of Metamorphosis, where Gregor’s transformation isn’t made clear until the last two words or something. It’s hard to do that in English without it sounding awkward. Read some of the translations, they’re like “And blah blah blah he woke up to find he had transformed into a gigantic insect-like creature.” That’s just clumsy.
To everyone wondering what Jay’s deal is, let me try to explain something.
I’ve debated Jay on a number of occasions, and they almost always play out the same way. Jay is itching for an argument so he says something so utterly bizarre and offensive that you can’t help but engage him. Once you contradict him, he starts off by claiming ad hominem attacks. Then he suggests that you’re ignorant and haven’t read the same books he has. Then he gives you a reading list. Probably Spengler and Yockey. Maybe some Plato if he’s in a particularly condescending mood. Once that fails, he either tries to change the subject or claim that he was just being satirical or engaging in debate for the sake of debate.
Here’s the main thing: Jay is not an idiot. He’s actually a pretty bright guy with a nearly exhaustive knowledge of the writings of the Church Fathers and much of the western philosophical canon (he once attended a seminary, now he’s a grad student in philosophy). That being said, Jay’s tragic flaw is his inability to admit when he’s wrong. It’s why debates with him never end, they only get put on hold. It’s the reason he has fallen for these conspiracy theories. He’s angry with how his life has turned out, and he refuses to accept that he’s done anything to cause it. His anger has led him to search for someone to blame, whether it be the Illuminati and the Bilderberg group or just the Amerikan “skanks” who won’t go out with him.
It’s sad. And it’s scary.
I’m partial to Flogging Molly, myself. And, of course, the Pogues.
>>Then he gives you a reading list. Probably Spengler and Yockey. Maybe some Plato if he’s in a particularly condescending mood.
So what you’re saying is that Jay thinks he’s smarter than everyone else because he knows litterature? That’s a nice change. Usually, entitled douchebags think they’re smarter than everyone else because they know computers or maths. It’s funny how people can delude themselves into thinking their own narrow specialized knowledge is way more important to Life, the Universe and Everything than other people’s narrow specialized knowledge.
One thing though: encyclopedic knowledge is not intelligence. Intelligence means being able to understand concepts, not regurgitating stuff you’ve absorbed from other authors. It’s no wonder to me that a conservative like Jay would think knowing the classics is a sign of intelligence. Since they value intelligence purely based on volume of absorbed facts, they have a lot more riding on valuing the old decrepit and obsolete crap (like Plato) that they stuffed their brains with.
Also, Jay is just a nucking futz douchebag who likes to post cool sounding (to him) word salad.
And what we are telling you with the patterns is…we like agricultural graffiti?
Speaking of fake band names…
(I think I have a little too much self-respect to name a band The Slobbering Crotch-Maws, even as a joke.)
So, Gay Druid Marxist, though I really don’t give a flying fuck about Jay and his “is this real tell me is it REAL” bullshit, what does the fragile little snowflake intellect do when somebody that is given his routine:
Then he suggests that you’re ignorant and haven’t read the same books he has. Then he gives you a reading list.
And then gives him back a BIGGER reading list (say, oh, all sorts of feminist theorists starting with Elizabeth Spelman whose work, among other things, looks at PLato’s gender issues, and says they won’t talk to HIM if he don’t read their list.
Cuz I am a Raving Researcher, and I bet I can generate a bigger bibliography than Mr. J any day.
Somehow I think the only research jays done on feminism is turning on Fox news…
As for what he does with your bibliography, it will be ignored, like anything else that contradicts his talking points.
Thanks for the link though. I got me some interesting new books to buy!
Ithiliana: I imagine that Jay would dismiss that book because it was written by a woman, and we all know that women are incapable of logic, duh.
Either that, or he would just pretend to have already read it and say you’re an idiot and try to top you with something more obscure.
That’s the great thing about Jay. You always know exactly what the last book he read was. Right now he’s obsessed with Quigley. I don’t know if he’s gone through a Toynbee phase yet, but that would be pretty logical next choice for someone studying world civilizations (though Toynbee isn’t nearly racist enough for Jay’s taste). Or, maybe he’ll go obscure and pick someone like Gumilev (lots of cool antisemitic stuff there!)
Now I want to go over to ithiliana’s house and work my way through her bookshelves.
Would it be weird if Gay Druid Marxist was Jay?
You’re not the only one who’s suspicious of Druid. Sounds like another “wife” to me.
While I have known of the occasional gay ‘druid’ (I’ll mentally substitute in ‘pagan’ for druid) or gay Marxist, the overlap in the Venn diagram of ‘druid’ and Marxist is pretty much empty. However, I do know a lot of right-wingers who lump in all opponents into one big melting pot of liberal socialist hippy gay Marxist Islamist pagans, incapable of thinking that there might be more than one group who have a problem with their shit (obviously, scratch an opponent and you find Satan underneath).
I do think Gay Druid Marxist is the sort of name I’d expect from a sockpuppet or a hanger-on from his blog, but then again it’s also the over the top name some person who likes to mess with conspiracy theorists as a laugh (which I can totally understand, since I do it myself) would pick.
Dude, do you not have basic reading comprehension skills? I’m anti-Jay. I’m just trying to explain to you all how his brain operates.
He’s a professional college student who has read way to much philosophy and theology and hasn’t had nearly enough sex.
Is that clearer?
That may be the case. However, the part where you introduce yourself and go on about how well read and learned and brilliant he is smells funny from my side of the screen.
Also, insulting peoples reading comprehension is pretty high handed and isn’t likely to win supporters.
What made you think we needed an explanation or your help in reading comprehension for what he’s already written? There’s a very high probability we’d already come to similar conclusions as you, we just don’t care to excuse his behavior. Well read and currently lacking a sex partner won’t cut it.
What prompted you to come here Druid?
Did I call him well read and learned and brilliant? I must have forgotten that part… What I said (or what I was trying to say) is that Jay is obsessed with this shit reads things like Imperium or Decline of the West for fun. It’s his idea of a good time. You’ll never get through to him because he’s an egotistical prick who enjoys igniting debates and then citing obscure books in an attempt to claim victory.
He’s not your typical troll.
This is Manboobz! All of our trolls are atypical…
This is Manboobz! All of our trolls are atypical…
LOL! Well there’s something to be proud of!